Oh, I know about that, only try and install from that. And, get everything working, if at all.. Have you?t2linux.org
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Few minutes, and practically any Linux would dual boot with Windows. 😏
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Few minutes, and practically any Linux would dual boot with Windows. 😏
Would make more sense to use a PC like the rest of the world. You can get up to date Linux on that thing, but yeah. I understand that hospitals have their own custom built software, which is why over here they run on Windows.
What percent of people who are cheap enough to be using an 8+ year old laptop do you think would pay a subscription fee for extended support? For just security updates and no new features, nothing tangible, when for a few hundred dollars they could get a newer macbook air that is faster and still getting new feature updates
I don’t think 10,000 people would go for that, and if they did, that $500k would pay more likely 3-4 software engineers’ salaries. Is that enough manpower to maintain the OS to Apple’s standards? I don’t really know but I wouldn’t think so. Then factor the lost hardware sales into that equation. Then factor in that people are going to want Apple and third party apps to support that OS since Apple supports it. How much extra will that cost? If the apps aren’t updated is there even a point?
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I'm just throwing a few ideas up in the air rather than just seeing throwing good hardware away. Since there are devices out there being used today and IT-security is getting more and more important, not only for Macbooks, its important that devices do get security flaws fixed (same goes for IoT, cars, phones, etc, all things connected).
If open core legacy can make new OS run on old devices and also get patched I'm pretty sure Apple could make new OS (maybe limited versions) work on older devices.
There is of course limitations of what can be done, there are HW bugs/security issues that can't be fixed via software, but a lot of times these flaws can be mitigated via software.
I would argue and say a lot of people are willing to pay for updates. I can imagine that's why MS will offer Windows 10 extended support for a small fee so that people that can't upgrade still can enjoy a secure OS.
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Just wanna throw in that computers running Windows isn't "secure" or can be fixed just cuz MS are patching their OS, the HW manufacturers might also need to provide updates to ensure the device is secure.
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I work as an IT administrator and many governmental businesses paid for W7 extended support. There are companies that pay for Windows 8.1 support as well.
Apple doesn't even provide such possibility. Many companies use 8+ yo computers. You'd be surprised.
It’s been a long time since I’ve had a PC - and I used to work for Dell - but I remember the annual reinstall of Windoze to remove all the rubbish that accumulated in the meantime. Haven’t reinstalled MacOS once in maybe 14 years of moving over to Mac. Seeing my wife having no end of hassle with Windows laptops in the meantime.
I haven't reinstalled Windows since 2019. Sounds like a user mistake. My IT teacher always said that the mistake is always between the screen and the chair.
Many companies have many old PCs that haven't been reinstalled for ages.
I know, but that's more related to that moving to a new OS is always a massive pain rather than HW support I guess?
Currently planning for a Windows 11 migration project and its going to be a pain, might be a case of paying MS for extended support for some of the devices cuz its just to costly to move.
But I guess it depends on where you work, government or certain environments with loads of legacy can be a pain.
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Since Windows 10 its loads better, the times we reinstall things its usually cuz we want to save time and give the PC back quickly. A quick fix rather than actually troubleshooting what's wrong.
But havin said that, I don't I ever reinstalled a Mac for troubleshooting reasons....yet..
Your definition of “usable” must be quite different from mine.
But that’s not an apples to apples comparison.
Software made when the centurion launched were akin to the first generation MacBook Air.
And guess what. You’re not runny anything modern on that.
And that’s why more lower to middle class average people will just buy a new $300-500 laptop every 3 years.
The windows community will always have someone around willing to help.
The Apple community will always have people around to make those poorer people feel bad about being poor.
The Intel Macs will be around when the Apple silicon machines begin to die.
Those memory on board at the processor stuff is GREAT for speed.
But the moment one of those components fail.
New MacBook time.
An $1800 laptop should have 128GB of ram.
Minimum 64GB.
8GB in 2024….
The current generation and previous generations of M series computers will SHLOG along running the coming AI system.
Apple adopted the AI crazy kinda late and users who bought into the entire price tiers are the ones who will end up paying. IF they want to use these AI features.
More than 10,000 unsupported MacBook pros sold with non supported operating systems on eBay so far this year alone.
When is hardware no longer “perfectly good” though? We have to put a limit on it somewhere, and it’s a subjective thing, one might say their 2010 macbook is still “perfectly good” while many would say it’s intolerably slow.
I wouldn’t mind security updates for like 10 years from when a product launched, but I believe that’s what I got on my 2012 macbook air and that seems really generous, it had felt slow for years before that
My 2 cents
Old Windows software is supported better than Mac software. To get old Mac software to run you are often stuck using patches or emulation or old hardware.
On the hardware side, Intel based machines (PC and Mac) have long term reliability issues. Mac PowerPC hardware are built like tanks, they keep going but unfortunately no new software. Apple Silicon is just to new to tell. I don’t have enough experience with AMD hardware to make a call.
Old Windows software is supported better than Mac software. To get old Mac software to run you are often stuck using patches or emulation or old hardware.
On the hardware side, Intel based machines (PC and Mac) have long term reliability issues. Mac PowerPC hardware are built like tanks, they keep going but unfortunately no new software. Apple Silicon is just to new to tell. I don’t have enough experience with AMD hardware to make a call.
They’ll just offload more of it to cloud compute than future computers will.
And you can’t really compare SO-DIMM memory to the MOP of M series chips. To get more memory the die would have to be larger, or something else on the chip would have to be sacrificed, everything is competing for space on the die.
Also having the baseline at 8gb encourages developers to be lean and have macOS be good with RAM management. Many older macs with 8gb still work pretty well today. Do you think that would still be the case if the base amount of ram was 32gb+ right now? I think they would all be paperweights because newer apps would be more bloated and less frugal about RAM use. I think paradoxically keeping the base RAM at 8gb has extended the usable life of many computers
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I’m one of them lol I bought a 2008 white macbook this year out of nostalgia, but that doesn’t mean I’m using it as my main device. I don’t think most people spending $100-200 on an older macbook are going to pay $50 a year for security updates, they probably have other priorities for that money
You could do $1500ish every 5-8 years like I have been doing since the g4 iBook.
Again, you are completely mixing up:
A) OS license that came with your PC purchase and
B) Support for the said OS on the PC hardware
Those are completely different things and I am not sure if you’re being intentionally thick here.
Microsoft, the OS vendor have provided a *license* to Windows 7 (which they later extended to 10 as part of their SaaS initiative). Not support, because that’s the PC vendor's responsibility. If somehow a Windows 10 installation or any functionality bricks your PC, that’s outside of Microsoft’s responsibility. Do you follow?
Microsoft won‘t care what PC you install as long as it’s within license because they don’t support/guarantee correct operation on that machine. You may be lucky and everything works despite being untested by the PC vendor. But that’s not support. No different from you installing an Ubuntu or SUSE.
Apple only allows installation on PC they’ve tested and verified proper functioning because as a hardware AND OS vendor they are responsible for that. Big difference.
Apple and functioning hardware? That's a good joke 🤣🤣
I've had so many issues with MacBooks throughout the years. From WiFi randomly dropping to Macs just crashing while sitting on the desktop. A computer is a computer. My M1 still crashes from time to time. Also, Safari doesn't work properly on many websites, such as Reddit etc. Let's stop pretending that Apple is perfect. It's not.