Exactly the opposite. People interested in computers write software even for Commodore 64.
16 years is a stretch but the point I'm trying to make is that Windows PCs last longer software wise and are more secure.
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16 years is a stretch but the point I'm trying to make is that Windows PCs last longer software wise and are more secure.
Lets assume it's running Windows 7
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-users-windows-7-8-and-81-moving-extended-support so even a MacBook from 2006 would be usable. Snow Leopard is totally unusable and less secure than W7 these days.
Why? What is the problem to run old hardware when it suits your needs and has an actually system with all security updates? We don’t speak about using Windows XP. You can use Windows 10 on these 16 years old hardware and it’s running fine In most cases.
And no, Linux is no alternative for the ordinaty Windows or Apple user.
As I said, there are more factors to how long a Mac or PC last than just security patches and OS updates.
As for your final paragraph, you're making some huge assumptions about me. And you're simply wrong. Full stop.
It's best to focus on things you know to be facts and not make up things about others.
Right? “It’s more secure because it gets security updates for longer” is such a weird concept. And if someone is that worried about security they sure as hell won’t be running Windows.
Well, if a user says that their PCs keep breaking then I assume it's their fault. It sounds like. How does my family have old ass computers still working and not break? Let me remind you, that Apple computers are the only ones that break from the dust.
https://www.macktechs.com/2016-2017... is an issue that,the MacBook Pro logic board. and you're telling me about Apple's hardware lasting…
Gods, the TiBook is just the absolute GOAT. 😎
I'll never forgive myself for selling mine (first Mac I ever owned).
A $3,200 MBP with 8GB would be absurd indeed, if it existed. I just checked Apple's site and the most expensive 8GB MBP is $1,800.
A $3,200 MBP comes with 36GB of memory, an M3 Max chip and a 1TB SSD.
In CA it'd still be nearly $2000. Include the tax like the rest of the world. The world doesn't revolve around the US only and it's even more expensive in some other states let alone other countries.
So you added tax for an area with an 8.25% rate and the bill is still not anywhere near the $3200 you mentioned, then.
If you think it's too expensive, that's fine. If you think Apple's prices don't offer a value for what you get, that's your decision. But you don't need to be hyperbolic and untruthful about Apple's prices just to say that.
I just bought a new desktop PC (i5-14500, 32Gb RAM, 1TB Samsung 990 Pro NVMe SSD) for about the same price as a base M2 Mac mini. I’m going to chuck an RTX 4060 in it shortly as well and include the 27” 4k monitor I got, bringing it up to the price of a base iMac.
This is about the same performance as an M2 Max Mac Studio and the display isn’t that much different to my Studio Display. When you stick a 4060 in it obliterates it.
This replaces the Intel i5-9600, 16Gb, 512Gb Samsung SSD I bought in 2019. I’m giving the old one to my mother and it’ll last another 5 years.
Sad sad sad. That’s all this is.
This is about the same performance as an M2 Max Mac Studio and the display isn’t that much different to my Studio Display. When you stick a 4060 in it obliterates it.
This replaces the Intel i5-9600, 16Gb, 512Gb Samsung SSD I bought in 2019. I’m giving the old one to my mother and it’ll last another 5 years.
Sad sad sad. That’s all this is.
Comparing a PC with dedicated GPU and with a power consumption far superior to a MacMini or even an iMac with an ARM chip is indeed sad.
I wasn't being untruthful. In many European countries prices do skyrocket…………………………………………………………………
And yes, in normal countries people always add the tax when they talk about the prices. Still, $2000 for 8GB of ram and 5 years of support is still ridiculous. Apple should support their software for longer and that is my point. Just like Windows does, just like Ubuntu does, just like many other Linux distros do! They should at least provide 5-6 years of security updates for that money, but they don't. Pretty soon you won't be able to run the latest version of pages or safari on that computer and that is mainly the whole point I was trying to make. Apple should support their software for longer period of time.
I don't understand why you people are against security updates. I don't understand why you people justify Apple deleting posts from their forums when you post a link to MacRumor's forums on how to install newer operating systems to stay secure and up to date.
Well, that PC lasted longer than Apple Silicon macs will, but I've also got an 08 MBP17" and couple '09 iMacs that have been continuously running since day 1, and they [can be made to] run Win11 too (I've done it, but F win11), and their specs are better than that vaio too, so you know, big fat whoopdedoo. Mine also live on an intranet quarantined from the malicious toxic wasteland that is the internet, so they can actually be useful running Win7 (and wow is that clean, fast & efficient compared to 10 & 11) and in a couple cases Win10, on bootycamp and Parallels both depending on the need. Some of them run machines. I have one that exists to be a win XP box, to drive a CNC controller whose proprietary software is stuck in 2001.
Old, servicable intel macs will probably outlive me, mostly because Microsoft extends their life by perpetually maintaining windows that keeps them going long after Apple has deemed them unfit for even basic app & security updates. Apple Silicon macs are down to Apples lifecycle with I think they put at six years, after which your computer becomes as useful as a Mac running Snow Leopard is today. Try it sometime and see how little of that OS functions at all anymore because the entire architecture of everything has changed. Makes you think they should build these things out of recycled paper and milk jugs.
Actually the 14500 is the same without the GPU. The GPU on the 14500 isn’t great though but hey at least I can add one!
If I add the additional power consumption over 5 years to the cost that’s about the same cost as a black Magic Keyboard and black Magic Mouse.
Now that’s sadder!
Incidentally I seem to wear out a Magic Keyboard about every 12 months so over 5 years that’s £495 on keyboards. The £25 cherry one I bought for the PC still works fine and gets about the same level of use.
$2000 CAD is $1450 USD so you’re talking about different currencies. In Canada, that MacBook is $1450 US dollars, which is a far cry from 3200.
I’m not saying you need to throw away the old computers, I literally collect old macs, but no one’s daily driver should be a 10+ year old laptop
I think we’re in a unique time right now with the transition to Apple silicon, and a similar thing occurred with the transition to intel where macs got fewer years of OS updates, but this is not Apple’s norm. They’re trying to shuffle people off intel machines so they can ditch any x86 code ASAP. My 2012 macbook air got 8 years of updates to new versions of macOS, and 10 years of security updates, and that’s more than I could have ever asked for. Anyone not doing their research and buying a 5+ year old computer (2017 air) that doesn’t even look like the current model, is… not smart? Idk what to tell ya on that. Most people know tech has a limited lifespan and that they should buy the newest they can.
Here’s why I don’t want Apple to support their machines indefinitely:
1. Supporting old hardware limits the possibilities of what they can do with new software and slows progress
2. It takes resources away from polishing the OS for more current machines
3. Software development for old hardware compatibility would not be free, and that cost would be passed on to us in the form of hardware price increases. Software engineers are not cheap, and now that they don’t charge for OS updates anymore the cost of any and all updates are rolled into the price of the hardware
4. In the case of architecture transitions, it leaves bloat in the OS for the old architecture (see Leopard -> Snow Leopard for the difference this can make)
5. A good chunk of my retirement is in Apple stock and I want to see them grow and succeed and make a solid profit 🤷🏼♀️ I assume many of us here own some Apple stock right?
To your last point, anyone buying a macbook pro ~should~ be using it to make money, in which case regularly updating hardware makes financial sense, and 7 years of updates is plenty. At that point tech capabilities have at least doubled and getting a newer machine will be justified by the increase in productivity. Anyone buying a pro for casual use, that is basically a luxury, and hopefully no one is spending 4x their rent on a personal laptop for casual use. In this case 7 years of updates is also plenty because anyone with the expendable income for this luxury isn’t going to bat an eye about upgrading, and will have probably done so before then anyway.
Your argument really comes down to “macs are expensive for what you get”, which has always been the case and will continue to be the case because you’re paying for refinement and attention to detail in hardware and software. It’s like arguing that a corvette is “better” than a 911 because it’s faster and costs less. Some people appreciate craftsmanship, design, and quality materials over pure capability.
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I imagine when my M1 suffers this, according to you, unavoidable future and nog longer receives OS updates I'll just switch to Asahi.
If you are buying hardware in 2024 hoping to use it in 2040 then you are shopping wrong. I don’t even keep cars 16 years, and that is a big investment. I get that you might not be able to afford a new computer every couple years, but… no. Maybe it’s time to rethink your budget and put an extra $50 aside each month or something.
i just checked with a friend who runs works at a medical facility in Costa Rica,
and yes they still use my igloo G4 imac for data processing
and other files saving with the software on the 2004 computer along with other software
since computers (and new cell phones) are very expensive there.
i would/ might donate my 2022 M1 mac mini to them, since this 2012 mac mini suits me fine.
and yes they still use my igloo G4 imac for data processing
and other files saving with the software on the 2004 computer along with other software
since computers (and new cell phones) are very expensive there.
i would/ might donate my 2022 M1 mac mini to them, since this 2012 mac mini suits me fine.