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People Who Complain About the New Mac Pro Misunderstand It

subsonix said:
In that case dual CPUs makes little difference since that application relies heavily on GPGPUs, and the new Mac Pro comes configured with two, and performed better than previous boxes for Mari specifically.
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I have never been focused on CPU power. When I compress for DVD I have a Matrox card for that.

I'm probably the luckiest guy on earth I have a wife who loves me with all my faults and a boss that likes my productivity whether that be at home or at my office. I work on my home MP a couple days a week especially if I'm deeply involved in some video project. My boss cares not at all whether I make stuff in OSX or Linux so long as it's made and not on the network.

Over the next few months I'll be migrating away from Mac's and moving to a more open platform. I need to see where Mac's and OSX are headed.

For the time being I'll just build something else and keep my MBP

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handsome pete said:
That's not what they said.
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Please don't let facts interfere with love..
 
The tone of these forums is hilarious. You all remind me exactly of comic book guy from the Simpsons.

Talk about Handbags at dawn!

Simmer children, simmer......
 
GermanyChris said:
I have never been focused on CPU power. When I compress for DVD I have a Matrox card for that.
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Well you were the one who brought it up. But my guess is that Apple is looking at where the industry is moving over the next 10 year period and is betting on internal native power.

Apple has very likely examined what their users need. A look in the memory poll here at Macrumors is quite telling for example.

If you have 5 drives or less, an USB 3 enclosure will be faster than what you currently got with SATA II, if you want RAID with that configuration, use Zevo and RAIDZ for example, no additonal hardware required. If you have more than 5 drives your already external, which is also true in a multi user environment.
 
subsonix said:
Well you were the one who brought it up. But my guess is that Apple is looking at where the industry is moving over the next 10 year period and is betting on internal native power.

Apple has very likely examined what their users need, and where the industry is moving over the next ten year period. A look in the memory poll here at Macrumors is quite telling for example.

If you have 5 drives or less, an USB 3 enclosure will be faster than what you currently got with SATA II, if you want RAID with that configuration, use Zevo and RAIDZ, no additonal hardware required. If you have more than 5 drives your already external, which is also true in a multi user environment.
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I brought it up in the case of RAM only which you'll read if you read my posts. If I needed über CPU power why would I be on a quad?
 
GermanyChris said:
I brought it up in the case of RAM only which you'll read if you read my posts. If I needed über CPU power why would I be on a quad?
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Hm, supposedly the new box takes 128GB. But you said:

GermanyChris said:
This Mari that everyone keeps brining up was on Linux first and the will likely continue. So why buy Apple vs a DP RHEL box? Make a compelling business case why Apple is better.
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I interpreted that as Dual Processor.

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handsome pete said:
That's not what they said.
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The guy who used it said it was the fastest he ever seen it (Mari) perform.
 
subsonix said:
Hm, supposedly the new box takes 128GB. But you said:



I interpreted that as Dual Processor.
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Sure it'll take a 128GB if you use 32GB DIMM's the old would take 128GB with 16GB DIMM's. PC's will take 128GB with 8GB DIMM's

Wanna compare costs? I have about $420 in 3x16GB DIMM's?

Ivy-E is not out yet so OFC it's the fastest, when he tries a 24 core 48 thread double FirePro Dell/HP it'll be the fastest too.
 
GermanyChris said:
Sure it'll take a 128GB if you use 32GB DIMM's the old would take 128GB with 16GB DIMM's. PC's will take 128GB with 8GB DIMM's

Wanna compare costs? I have about $420 in 3x16GB DIMM's?
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Again look at the memory poll here, it's quite telling.
 
GermanyChris said:
I brought that same thing up..

That doesn't effect the memory ceiling at all. Right now that stands at 128GB new MP, 256 old MP, 512GB most DP PC work stations.
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Of course it doesn't! But it tells a story about real world usage vs. some theoretical max.
 
subsonix said:
And how is that different in meaning? Or are you just being pedantic for no particular reason?
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That means Apple handed him a box, asked him to port to it and it's fast. Never-mind that the processors haven't been released yet. So english chap is on a computer that whose processors won't be released until fall and superdup is impressed, well no kidding thanks Mr. states the obvious.
 
All I see is an excuse for a single processor solution. As to the future is external this and that, sorry I don't want umpteen power supplies around or power strips just to use what all existed with one power supply and one cord.

I thought our future would be devoid of wires/cords/etc but now we are going backwards. Power supply that runs computer, power supply for the external drive controller, power supply for an external pci tower, and perhaps even a power supply for my external doomihicky. Oh, cord, cord, cord, cord, cord, and more cords.

Perhaps I can take inspiration from a sci fi movie, put the Mac Pro in the center; do I have to do the ahhhhhh holy sound when saying that? and then place the components around it, as if they are paying homage!

Or I could always make a replica of Devil's tower.


Oh was I getting silly? Well silly OP deserves silly reply :p
 
GermanyChris said:
That means Apple handed him a box, asked him to port to it and it's fast. Never-mind that the processors haven't been released yet. So english chap is on a computer that whose processors won't be released until fall and superdup is impressed, well no kidding thanks Mr. states the obvious.
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Again it relies heavily on the GPUs, and being a Mari product manager at the Foundry I suspect he has seen it run on many different high performing setups.
 
Radiating said:
Because it's ridiculous. People who criticize the Mac Pro are short sighted to the point where it is mind blowing. It's beyond comprehention to me that people can sit in the middle of a technological revolution and literally make claims like:

"The technology will NEVER improve"

"Prices will NEVER come down"

"NOBODY on earth needs this added flexibility"

"Nobody will EVER make software to support this new technology"

These sorts of viewpoints seem incredible to me considering the exact opposite has happened in every technological revolution in history. The technology did improve. Prices dropped like a stone. Flexibility revolutionized the industry (remember the invention of the laptop or mini ITX tower anyone?). And driver support always follows hardware support.

So I care because I am shocked that some people could think in such a self centered backwards looking way.
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I don't believe a company should dictate how I work and what workflows to use. I will not use FCPX until it regains the functionality of its predecessor, and I will not be getting this MacPro until it's up to par with the current one, dual processors and more RAM slots at the very least.

It may seem like the greatest thing since sliced bread to YOU, but for many of us who've been relying in the current design for the past 10 years, it's two steps forward, six steps back.

Just because you don't understand our needs doesn't give you the right to poke fun and slam our views and opinions.

Support Apple and buy one if you like it. Let me buy the current one and be happy as well.
 
@Radiating

People have different workflows and needs with regards to Mac Pros but you can't insist on them buying/liking the new Mac Pro specially if users are the ones who spends the money. Same way as you cant' force a Samsung phone user to switch to an iPhone. "That's just how the world spins"

It's not just the fastest speed or highest specs that matters, like I have to factor in the total expenses to migrate to a new setup, cost of external expansion and if the cost justifies the speed gain. There's also the costs of repairs to consider in case AppleCare has expired. How will Apple price the cost of parts replacements. Example my friend's MacBook Pro Retina's memory died and since the ram is built in, the whole logicboard needs to be replaced but luckily he has AppleCare. If there was no AppleCare this becomes more expensive for the customer.

And how long or short is the lifespan of the new Mac Pro before one buys a new model again. I know the new 2013 Mac Pro will be faster than the tower Mac Pro I am using. Or I am quite sure, not everyone will need or like my Mac Pro. That's none of my concern. Users have different needs, preferences and that's just the way things are.

You have an image of the 2013 Mac Pro inside an empty Mac Pro tower as a solution. It defeats the purpose of Apple's engineers to design a smaller Mac Pro then place it inside a bigger case. Best we move forward, play it cool and just wait for the actual release. :)
 
subsonix said:
Again it relies heavily on the GPUs, and being a Mari product manager at the Foundry I suspect he has seen it run on many different high performing setups.
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and a 12 core old MP with dual FirePro's would just not do it. :rolleyes:

A 24 core 48 thread, dual FirePro RHEL box wouldn't run it better of course..the Apple on the side makes it better
 
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