Only if your "Pro" use is Facetime & Minesweeper.
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I'm a prosumer and 16Gb isn't enough.
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Phil Schiller Says 32GB RAM on New MacBook Pro Would Have Required Battery Compromising Design
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Only if your "Pro" use is Facetime & Minesweeper.
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I'm a prosumer and 16Gb isn't enough.
Actually I noticed this too. Sierra used crazy amounts of ram. However, once you start to do ram intensive things, sierra seems to lose its ram usage. I ram a massive audio session with tons of sampled instruments. Ran incredible. Love this Mac.
Is that a fact you just made up?
I've never regretted going the Hackintosh route.First time Ive considered a hacintosh
What was I thinking, clicking on to this thread thinking people might understand Apple's position, though it's unfortunate, and just going about their lives and buying whatever fits their needs instead of hoping against hope that someone like an Apple will hear their cries and change things accordingly? Because the people!!!
I've never read so many whiny people on this forum bellyaching about the MBP...excuse me, the MBnotP . Page after page of "I can't even" this and "no they didn't" that.. worse than gossiping teenagers. At least they're happy with one port on their Macbook.
You have options. You want a laptop with 32GB of RAM? It's available. Not from Apple, but it's available.
You want Kaby Lake CPU in your laptop? It too is available. Not from Apple, but it's available.
No more SD Card slot?? No more USB-A or HDMI ports? Oh noes! Why Apple, why hast thou forsaken me???
You can't see yourself with this MBP, you're buying something else? Bye, Felicia! There are so many options for you, Mr. Professional, get what you need to stay professional.
As great as MacOS is, I have to be aware to the fact that my next purchase may not be an Apple laptop or desktop. We have to resist putting MacOS on this pedestal, or altar rather, because if we don't then Apple has us. By the "you know where". They can sell us an "iPotato" and as long as it runs their operating system to their liking (not yours, of course, theirs) you will buy it for the experience of using MacOS.
So, why not sell computer/tech products to people who won't whine and complain they're not powerful enough for their needs? They don't know what they need, we'll (company) determine their needs! Angering the base to the point of them seeking other options? It's par for the course. It looks like Apple is hedging their bets with selling machines to their spec to consumers who won't question what's in the machine vs. selling a quality machine that professionals can use for work/play with some options so those users can feel they have something powerful but valuable and that they played a part in attaining that value. The latter option is too expensive, quite frankly, from their standpoint.
At some point, there must be the realization that we have to walk away from this MBnotP and $300 book, etc. of our own volition, for the myriad of reasons/grievances. Else, get your pennies ready, the iPotato even runs MS Office! Front camera is still 720p, for some reason...C'mon Apple! Get it together! I want 4K HD for my Photo Booth photos!
I've never read so many whiny people on this forum bellyaching about the MBP...excuse me, the MBnotP . Page after page of "I can't even" this and "no they didn't" that.. worse than gossiping teenagers. At least they're happy with one port on their Macbook.
You have options. You want a laptop with 32GB of RAM? It's available. Not from Apple, but it's available.
You want Kaby Lake CPU in your laptop? It too is available. Not from Apple, but it's available.
No more SD Card slot?? No more USB-A or HDMI ports? Oh noes! Why Apple, why hast thou forsaken me???
You can't see yourself with this MBP, you're buying something else? Bye, Felicia! There are so many options for you, Mr. Professional, get what you need to stay professional.
As great as MacOS is, I have to be aware to the fact that my next purchase may not be an Apple laptop or desktop. We have to resist putting MacOS on this pedestal, or altar rather, because if we don't then Apple has us. By the "you know where". They can sell us an "iPotato" and as long as it runs their operating system to their liking (not yours, of course, theirs) you will buy it for the experience of using MacOS.
So, why not sell computer/tech products to people who won't whine and complain they're not powerful enough for their needs? They don't know what they need, we'll (company) determine their needs! Angering the base to the point of them seeking other options? It's par for the course. It looks like Apple is hedging their bets with selling machines to their spec to consumers who won't question what's in the machine vs. selling a quality machine that professionals can use for work/play with some options so those users can feel they have something powerful but valuable and that they played a part in attaining that value. The latter option is too expensive, quite frankly, from their standpoint.
At some point, there must be the realization that we have to walk away from this MBnotP and $300 book, etc. of our own volition, for the myriad of reasons/grievances. Else, get your pennies ready, the iPotato even runs MS Office! Front camera is still 720p, for some reason...C'mon Apple! Get it together! I want 4K HD for my Photo Booth photos!
What on earth could you possibly be doing where 16GB of RAM is not enough?
I work at a big 3 bank supporting the fixed income trading business and have a hefty work rig (32gb ram, core i7, SSD, 6 monitors, etc).
I have multiple applications open that are resource and ram intensive, from multiple trading platforms, Bloomberg application, java intense applications, outlook, tons of massive excel docs (with macros) all open at the same time. The highest I've ever seen my RAM usage hit is 13GB. I would never expect a laptop to be able to run all of this at once, nor would I want or need to.
I'm curious as to what you do or use a laptop for where 16GB of RAM is not sufficient. If anything, I find that there are bottlenecks such as shared Microsoft application resources, where excel would lockup access and outlook, which become problems long before reaching double digits of RAM usage.
MagSafe worked too well and saved too many MacBooks. It had to go so people would buy more MacBooks to replace the ones they broke.
Same here, but after reading what is required and what might not work I abandoned this idea. No interest in building a system that doesn't work smoothly and might be broken after a major OS update.First time Ive considered a hacintosh
Everytime Phil opens his mouth I just think "Spin Doctor"! Apple is part computer company, part marketing machine so you have to wonder what is happening back there while they try and contain all the negative press that keeps coming out about these machines and it's not about the RAM. Its more about the price, the decision to go to USB C solely, the removal of the SD card slot and the ever present desire to make them thinner and thinner. Today there was a story about Apple getting rid of their wireless networking peeps. This is on top of no updates to the Mac Mini, Mac Pro in years. Looks like they have given up on the concept of the Apple eco system as we knew it and are content with playing in more defined niches for consumers only (iPhones, Laptops and maybe iPads). The problem with this is that when you don't meet your customers needs they start to think about going elsewhere. Make it bad enough and they start making active plans of breaking away from the ecosystem and then all hell breaks loose. Making a diverse range of Mac computers (including a true pro line of laptops) may not meet the beancounters quarterly targets in terms of cost reduction but it does keep your longer term customers happy and keeps them embedded in your ecosystem. My network administrator was shocked to hear me say today that I am considering moving to a Windows machine. He knows I am a Mac person and never thought I would say that. Times are a changin.
Anybody besides me notice that apple is not really a computer company any more? Screw thinner and lighter, how about computers that simply run the OS, meet our needs, and at a reasonable price. They are simply milking this market for all they can get, with everything soldered in place and nothing repairable or upgradable. Anybody think an apple computer is going to last much past that three year extended warranty date are dreaming.
Starting to act like a company run by a bunch of rich guys, that don't have any more of a clue than the politicians.
[doublepost=1479790979][/doublepost]But Macs are expected to last five years. How is the battery life going to be at that point? Will it be even serviceable for a cross country plane ride?[/QUOTE]
Dream on, no Apple computer is going to last 5 years.
Starting to act like a company run by a bunch of rich guys, that don't have any more of a clue than the politicians.
[doublepost=1479790979][/doublepost]But Macs are expected to last five years. How is the battery life going to be at that point? Will it be even serviceable for a cross country plane ride?[/QUOTE]
Dream on, no Apple computer is going to last 5 years.
Use Adobe Photoshop, Illustrator, Indesign, Word, Sketch, Invision, Azure, Balsamic etc. in other words use a Mac in it's professional sense where you are daily handling multiple large files opposed to the Facebook, Messenger Snapchat user and you'll push the limits of 16GB.
Of course, if you want to pay $500 for a keyboard. Look at the price differential between the models. The people running Apple don't have a clue
Oh great, 24 pages of, "I'm not an engineer but I'm going to lecture the engineers at Apple over how to do their jobs because I apparently know more than they do even though I have no first hand knowledge or experience doing their jobs". Once again we have people here screaming and howling as if their opinions first of all mattered and second of that their situation represents the vast majority of people but alas rather than the moderators pruning the idiots you have such idiots encouraged for the sake of more advertisement views.
Depending on the software you use, some of that is only on a Mac platform, e.g. Sketch and is a industry standard - so there is no option.
someone who doesn't take a Mac with them on vacation.
I can't beleive 32Gig would decrease battery by that much over 16 Gig , but Apple chooses to compromise sonetimes, but battery isn't one of them.
You should read some of these posts. A lot of the pros (myself incl.) need a substantial amount of ram to be able to run resource intensive apps. I need to run VMware Fusion, and 16 GB is pathetically sad for a laptop. Others need to run graphics apps, or web design apps, or other apps that have similar needs. That is why so many do not see this MBP as a "pro" at all - and why many don't care about power so much. Many keep their MBP plugged in anyway.
Apple hasn't failed to provide a good laptop as much as it has completely ignored a significant segment of its user base. It's a shame, too - as many as now moving over to Windows.
Apple marketing chief Phil Schiller has allegedly responded to an email from software developer Ben Slaney to further clarify why the new MacBook Pro maxes out at 16GB of RAM, noting that supporting 32GB of RAM would require a different logic board design which might reduce space for batteries.Slaney himself wrote an article explaining how the new MacBook Pro uses a low power, enhanced version of DDR3 RAM called LPDDR3E, which maxes out at 16GB. To achieve up to 32GB RAM would have required using DDR4 RAM, but its low-power variant LPDDR4 is not supported by the Intel processors powering the late 2016 models.
Using the iStat Menus tool, Slaney determined that, under normal conditions, the LPDDR3E RAM uses 1.5 watts of power. In comparison, he said the notebooks would use about 3-5 watts if they were using DDR4 memory, although this estimate is rather loosely based on tests of DDR4 RAM on Windows-based notebooks.
Slaney said the 2-5 watts saved translates to 10% of overall power usage being dedicated to RAM versus 20-30% that would be required for DDR4 RAM, which, if accurate, helps justify Apple's power versus performance tradeoff.
Schiller previously addressed these power concerns in an earlier comment:Apple's decision is even more justified when considering background power draw, or the energy a notebook uses to go back into sleep mode after regular usage. Slaney said this figure is estimated to be about 50% of overall power draw on an average system when using DDR4 RAM, but only 20% when using LPDDR3 RAM.
Moreover, the new MacBook Pro would get less than 7 days of standby time if it used DDR4 RAM, compared to 30 days with LPDDR3E RAM, he said.The rest of the article reflects upon poor battery life in several Windows-based notebooks with 32GB RAM, part of which can be blamed on the FAA's 100-watt-hour limit on notebook batteries brought on airplanes.
Full Article: "Why the MacBook Pro is limited to 16GB of RAM" on MacDaddy
Article Link: Phil Schiller Says 32GB RAM on New MacBook Pro Would Have Required Battery Compromising Design
Oh dear, oh my, so it would have had to have weighed more than Ive's last movement to still offer acceptable battery life? The horror! THE HORROR!!!! Won't someone think of the CHILDREN!!!! *faints*
My back hurts just thinking of picking up something heavier than a paperclip!!!
Wait, no ... it doesn't....
Let us have the OPTION to CHOOSE a thicker/heavier version, that offers better performance, a much better keyboard, and maintains decent, if not netbook/tablet-like, battery life! JFC! Not all of your users are suffering from terminal wasting diseases!!! I doubt most would mind going back to the "heavy" (EYE ROLL) 5.5 lbs of the 2012 non-retina 15" MBP. Perhaps that could include the 99.5w battery instead of a 76w battery?
Why can't Apple make at least *one* laptop that isn't a huge compromise that puts THIN above all other possible features? Especially when thin doesn't really add anything to how most people actually USE a Pro laptop?
Sigh.
I need a drink...
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may be they should drop word "pro" from this model and release new real "Pro" model with beefed up Ram and Basic ports,(One SD card and One USB) and upgraded processor.
those who want battery life will go with This model and those who dont bother about thickness will go for the new model. Everybody will be Happy.
I wish this happens next year. I seriously believe this will happen next year. Even,Hardcore Apple Fans are disappointed with this machine.
First thing apple should do is, get over that "Thin" obsession. Its ok to have laptop with reasonable thickness.
those who want battery life will go with This model and those who dont bother about thickness will go for the new model. Everybody will be Happy.
I wish this happens next year. I seriously believe this will happen next year. Even,Hardcore Apple Fans are disappointed with this machine.
First thing apple should do is, get over that "Thin" obsession. Its ok to have laptop with reasonable thickness.
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Gosh, that would prevent you from getting anything done!
I know, right?
Except that Apple buyers and users, at least on this forum, are more like a cult and would consider buying another brand a violation of their core principles.
I mean: Apple simply does not make workstation laptops.
It's not their market anymore, if it ever was.
Dell, HP and Lenovo are in that market with the brand names Precision, Z-Book and P.
Surely a true professional wouldn't mind a different sticker on the back...
(Unless, to be fair, it's a Logic Pro professional we are talking about, in which case yes, you're screwed)
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In the above posts the responders seem to think only their usage patterns fit the meaning of professional use and everyone else is playing cards and checking email. Pretty snobby attitude I think. However I reckon you guys do work with media and software with the highest RAM requirements - wouldn't you rather just have 32 GB ram in an iMac?
First time Ive considered a hacintosh
Do it.
Not only will you get a computer that isn't total pig schlock that doesn't need to downthrottle because Apple hired a bunch of morons to design their case with non-existent cooling (how they get away with false advertising is beyond me) but you'll also pay about 1/3 the price and have a ton of flexibility in upgrades.... and best of all; you CAN actually enjoy having a gaming rig that doesn't use a mobile GPU.
It's hilarious to see Apple try and sell such GARBAGE computers and pass them off as 'professional' machines.