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MacRy

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Ok so i am struggling with this one as i actually like it. Maybe move slightly to the right and get less of an oblique angle? And maybe photoshop out that bit of wire hanging out?


Thanks. Unfortunately that was as far right as I could go due to the confined nature of the garage. That wire definitely needs to go doesn't it.
 

kenoh

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Thanks. Unfortunately that was as far right as I could go due to the confined nature of the garage. That wire definitely needs to go doesn't it.

As long as you mean go via Photoshop as opposed to a pair of cutters then yes I think so... ;-)
 

tomnavratil

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Great idea for a thread. I agree with a lot that has been said on the subject - particularly about the critique within the contests being positive because they are more fun than a learning exercise.

I'm willing to offer one of my recent shots up for discussion as I'm trying out some larger scale strobe shots (than the usual head shots and photos of my watches).

Image

Have at it.....

Thank you for sharing this MacRy.

Firstly, I do like the composition - the angle the motorcycle is facing but also the ration between the dark / light. Great job.

Regarding the lightning, I might open up the shadows a little bit to show larger part of the rear wheel. However I also like how it disappears in the dark.

This is very subjective - IMHO I would find the shot even more interesting with a bit more clarity / contrast. Nevertheless I do like clarity, especially on these shots.

Agree on the wire, I would brush it out.

Otherwise a great shot, really like this one, thanks for sharing! ;)
 

tomnavratil

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OK, I've been back and had another go, but hopefully with a better view ...

Original:-

[url=https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7588/16607580648_b203fc9ef1_b.jpg]Image[/url]

Back Street
by Hugh Russell, on Flickr

2nd attempt:-

[url=https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7607/16948664761_01f2506715_b.jpg]Image[/url]

Back Street Revisited
by Hugh Russell, on Flickr

Do you think it has improved somewhat with all your help?

Cheers :)

Hugh


That's definitely better Hugh, better composition for sure - well done. As others have said above me, try different angles too, might give you another perspective on this scene ;).
 

MacRy

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Thank you for sharing this MacRy.



Firstly, I do like the composition - the angle the motorcycle is facing but also the ration between the dark / light. Great job.



Regarding the lightning, I might open up the shadows a little bit to show larger part of the rear wheel. However I also like how it disappears in the dark.



This is very subjective - IMHO I would find the shot even more interesting with a bit more clarity / contrast. Nevertheless I do like clarity, especially on these shots.



Agree on the wire, I would brush it out.



Otherwise a great shot, really like this one, thanks for sharing! ;)


Thanks for the comments. The problem with opening up the shadows is that there is a very busy background lurking there in the dark, with tools and a heater. I might give the clarity boost a go though to see how it looks.
 

tomnavratil

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Thanks for the comments. The problem with opening up the shadows is that there is a very busy background lurking there in the dark, with tools and a heater. I might give the clarity boost a go though to see how it looks.

I see - no problem, I thought that might be the case considering the space! Magic, might give it another perspective.
 

jms969

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Um. Yes! It's a great quote, but the gist of it is a response to people who would critique someone's endeavors out of the blue and without a leg to stand on. That is an entirely different situation from what we have here: people requesting critique from fellow photographers. Anyone answering that call is no interloper lobbing grenades at an unsuspecting target!

I would beg to differ, critiques for the most part are worthless. I am happy to learn a technical skill from someone, but honestly a critique of the content of a photo, not interested... While some are, most of those providing critiques are unqualified to do so. ;)
 

Hughmac

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My thoughts......Is this Canterbury or Whitstable? First thought Canterbury, but now I think it's more likely Whitstable.

Yup, it's Whitstable :) - we go there a lot because it is a traditional and very interesting town, but mainly because we have relatives there.

I hope to get amongst the tourists in Canterbury later on this year.

Cheers :)

Hugh
 

The Bad Guy

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I would beg to differ, critiques for the most part are worthless. I am happy to learn a technical skill from someone, but honestly a critique of the content of a photo, not interested... While some are, most of those providing critiques are unqualified to do so. ;)

Why so glum, chum?
 

anotherscotsman

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I don't normally join into discussions where there is no right and wrong position but for my tuppence worth I've certainly benefitted from the feedback I've had from members of this forum.

IMHO and like most things in life where you are dealing with other people then comments should be in context. If you seek comment in your post or have a history of accepting comment constructively then there is a lot to be learned from a large number of forum members and a lot of that value comes from the variety of views. If you are new to photography or the site then then perhaps feedback should err on the side of encouragement.

In either case it is critique not criticism that provides value to recipient, poster and the membership in general.
 

Doylem

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Blimey... what a big word-count, just to create the ground-rules for a critique!

The first time I showed my photos to a 'proper' photographer (Martin Parr), he said they were "snapshots". And, you know what, he was right. Family and friends had gushed over my pix - this was a long time ago - but that 's what family and friends do.

As to people not being 'qualified' to offer criticism, I'm not even sure what this means. If I was, say, trying to choose a dozen pix for a calendar, or a series of postcards, I'd want to get some feedback... but from the kind of people who buy calendars and cards, not other photographers!

One of my favourite expressions is "you don't have to be a carpenter to recognise a good table", and it seems applicable here. I'll accept criticism - from anybody - and I'll try to take something of value from every one (even the unkind ones). I sell pix as stock, so the bottom line, for me, is someone choosing to license one of my pix rather than someone else's. :)
 

The Bad Guy

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Blimey... what a big word-count, just to create the ground-rules for a critique!

The first time I showed my photos to a 'proper' photographer (Martin Parr), he said they were "snapshots". And, you know what, he was right. Family and friends had gushed over my pix - this was a long time ago - but that 's what family and friends do.

As to people not being 'qualified' to offer criticism, I'm not even sure what this means. If I was, say, trying to choose a dozen pix for a calendar, or a series of postcards, I'd want to get some feedback... but from the kind of people who buy calendars and cards, not other photographers!

One of my favourite expressions is "you don't have to be a carpenter to recognise a good table", and it seems applicable here. I'll accept criticism - from anybody - and I'll try to take something of value from every one (even the unkind ones). I sell pix as stock, so the bottom line, for me, is someone choosing to license one of my pix rather than someone else's. :)

Never saw this coming, but I agree with Doylem.
 

Hughmac

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Not glum at all... I just think critiques are worthless ;)

You are of course welcome to your opinion, but I for one have had a lot of help with just one photo I submitted, and will continue to submit.

It's not paper qualifications I look up to in a person's ability to critique my work, it is the wealth of experience and greater photographic skill that I am drawing on.

Cheers :)

Hugh
 

Reality4711

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Straight out of C1 - nothing done

Storm%20Passing_zps0iu6xx2a.jpg


Provisionally titled - "Storm Passed By"

OK - so did I capture a good image or not?

Whichever way - Why?

Regards

Sharkey

ps. - all comments welcome.
 

Nickwell24

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Image

Provisionally titled - "Storm Passed By"

OK - so did I capture a good image or not?

Whichever way - Why?

Regards

Sharkey

ps. - all comments welcome.

Take everything I say with a grain of salt, everybody has their own artistic opinion, this is mine:

I like the image. If you shot this in RAW I'd personally would have lowered the camera angle a bit so the shaded area brings take ups the bottom 1/3 and boost the shadows to get a bit of definition on the land/city.

If you're going to process this two areas that stood out to me are:

1) The long bit of yellow/grey clouds on the top left quadrant of the photo, i'd probably just clone stamp that blue with the rest

2) The white building. The contrast from black/white makes it stand out against a nicely silhouetted landmass and adds, to my eye, and unnecessary element (unless you boost shadows as previously stated).

Either way though I really like the color and overall composition. What were your camera settings?
 

Small White Car

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I would beg to differ, critiques for the most part are worthless.

BS

My dad has been a professional photographer for 40 years. Every time I show him one of my shoots I get an entire textbook's-worth of education from him when he tells me all of the things I could improve upon the next time.

I've seen the results of his advice as it has made me a better and better photographer over the years. For you to say that this isn't so is as silly as saying the sun doesn't shine. Critiques have been an essential part of my education. I can not believe anyone could be a good photographer if they've somehow spent their life avoiding them.
 

Apple fanboy

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BS

My dad has been a professional photographer for 40 years. Every time I show him one of my shoots I get an entire textbook's-worth of education from him when he tells me all of the things I could improve upon the next time.

I've seen the results of his advice as it has made me a better and better photographer over the years. For you to say that this isn't so is as silly as saying the sun doesn't shine. Critiques have been an essential part of my education. I can not believe anyone could be a good photographer if they've somehow spent their life avoiding them.

As a relatively new photographer (2 years) I'd have to agree. I've learnt lots from people's helpful comments on here. Sometimes people might offer comments you don't agree with, but that's because photography is a subjective art. However there are lots of things people have passed on that have aided my craft. If your a seasoned pro, then perhaps critiques are no longer needed, but I'm nowhere near there yet!
 

Small White Car

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If your a seasoned pro, then perhaps critiques are no longer needed, but I'm nowhere near there yet!

I've been shooting professional video for 15 years. I started getting into stills about 6 years ago. And I only became comfortable charging people for my still photography work 2 years ago.

And tomorrow morning I'm going to ask my business parter to look at my last job and rip it apart. I want every single flaw pointed out, just in case I happened to miss one.

I don't see myself stopping that practice anytime soon. So if there is a point where you stop, I'm nowhere near it yet either!
 

kenoh

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Never saw this coming, but I agree with Doylem.

+1 here... We are all trying to get better. I think we all have significant others who are sick of thinking their loved one has one eye and canikon tattooed on their face (a slow burner joke give it time)...

This is a bit if fun where we might actually learn something... What's to not be up for?

We will only need one rule - be respectful.

Let's stop the debate and do some knit picking guys!
 

Reality4711

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+1 here... We are all trying to get better. I think we all have significant others who are sick of thinking their loved one has one eye and canikon tattooed on their face (a slow burner joke give it time)...

This is a bit if fun where we might actually learn something... What's to not be up for?

We will only need one rule - be respectful.

Let's stop the debate and do some knit picking guys!

In that case my photograph is up - so what do you think.

One critique so far (most welcome). T o encourage let me say the reason for no production on the image is simply to concentrate the critique on the capture.

Camera handheld, leaning on post. ISO800-1/25 -f8 - 24mm. Composite metering centered half light/half dark and the recomposed.

I wanted some detail in the dark shadow to add a bit of mystery.

Anyway - Critique away.
 

kenoh

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In that case my photograph is up - so what do you think.

One critique so far (most welcome). T o encourage let me say the reason for no production on the image is simply to concentrate the critique on the capture.

Camera handheld, leaning on post. ISO800-1/25 -f8 - 24mm. Composite metering centered half light/half dark and the recomposed.

I wanted some detail in the dark shadow to add a bit of mystery.

Anyway - Critique away.

My only criticism so far is I can't find the capture :) am I doing something wrong or is it missing?
 
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