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According to a Nature program on PBS they are a vital part of the environment. After they were re-introduced into a National Park, all the vital wetlands formed by the dams re-appeared after drying up. Many types of life thrive in the wetlands. Yes, they can be annoying, but every time man interferes with Natures balance, there a consequences.
That doesn't answer the question, though. They have a habitat range and can be considered a nuisance animal outside of it.
 
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This is from the east coast of Sweden, August 2019.

The bridge in the background is from the mainland and one of the islands called Öland.

Nikon D3300 - 82 mm, f/13, iso 100, 1/640s
 

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That doesn't answer the question, though. They have a habitat range and can be considered a nuisance animals outside of it.
And this is where it gets interesting. Anyone with allergies considers Cottonwood trees to be a nuisance. Beavers can be incredibly destructive, but their primary targets are Aspen, Willow and Cottonwood. All of which grow back quickly from the existing root systems. However dropping a large tree across a stretch of river tubed by kids in the late summer could cost some kid his or her life.

I should note; if these beavers build dams I've never seen any evidence of them. They might have built a little lodge on a nearby pond, but I have not seen that either.
 
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Nice! And i don’t mean the French city😁

Venice is one of many European city I want to visit some day.
It looks beautiful!

We had a chance to go with some friends (over the years we've traveled to Germany, Czech Republic, Hungary, Austria, Italy, Ireland, Ethiopia, Chile and Guatemala with them)... there are so many beautiful places around the world... will have to dig out some of those photos for future POTD postings.
 

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And this is where it gets interesting. Anyone with allergies considers Cottonwood trees to be a nuisance. Beavers can be incredibly destructive, but their primary targets are Aspen, Willow and Cottonwood. All of which grow back quickly from the existing root systems. However dropping a large tree across a stretch of river tubed by kids in the late summer could cost some kid his or her life.

I should note; if these beavers build dams I've never seen any evidence of them. They might have built a little lodge on a nearby pond, but I have not seen that either.
And if the Cottonwood is in a non-native habitat, it can be treated and removed as an invasive species. Same as the beavers. If the beavers are in their normal habitat, you can trap them in season and with tags or if they're destroying your property, you can exterminate them as long as you don't try to sell the fur. If they're not in their native habitat, you might be able to get rid of them without season and tag limitations if they're not on your property. Which was my original purpose for asking.
 

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They were removed from their natural habitat and then put back.
The whole world is not their native habitat. The entire country isn't, either. In the middle of my state they are not a native species as that's outside their established habitat range. You can exterminate them indiscriminately there if they show up.
 
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From Yellowstone's Website:
The beaver (Castor canadensis) is a keystone species that affects habitat structure and dynamics through the damming and diverting of streams, and the felling of trees and other woody vegetation. The resulting ponds and flooding help create an environment favorable to willow and aspen, the beavers’ preferred winter foods and used in building their lodges. The territoriality of beavers probably deters two colonies from locating within 165 feet (50 m) of each other, and most streams in the park lack either suitable vegetation or a sufficiently low gradient to provide beavers with habitat, but information about the distribution and number of beaver colonies in the park over time adds to our understanding about the long-term effects of changes in vegetation and climate.
 

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They were removed from their natural habitat and then put back.
Ahh but those that are gone were eastern slope rocky mountain beaver. We're the replacements prairie beaver or perhaps Ontario lake country beaver? If the replacements were not the same stock as the originals are they invasive?

In any event I intended this as a purely philosophical discussion. No Beaver have been harmed, can't be sure if any Cottonwoods have been downed since yesterday. Taking down a big cotton wood is a a long slow process when Beaver are the culprit.

I really don't worry about hurting the feelings of snowflakes, as by definition their feelings are always being hurt, if not by me then by someone else.:)
 

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Ahh but those that are gone were eastern slope rocky mountain beaver. We're the replacements prairie beaver or perhaps Ontario lake country beaver? If the replacements were not the same stock as the originals are they invasive?

In any event I intended this as a purely philosophical discussion. No Beaver have been harmed, can't be sure if any Cottonwoods have been downed since yesterday. Taking down a big cotton wood is a a long slow process when Beaver are the culprit.

I really don't worry about hurting the feelings of snowflakes, as by definition their feelings are always being hurt, if not by me then by someone else.:)
From a philosophical tree hugger point of view you shouldn't care about either. Both are doing their natural thing and should be left to do so. But that's obviously not a very practical mindset if they're encroaching your property or property of others or their dams are causing infrastructure damage.
 

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Nice! And i don’t mean the French city😁

Venice is one of many European city I want to visit some day.
It looks beautiful!
Definitely go! For dining, explore the courtyards within the city, avoiding the tourist meccas. Ask the gondoliers for recommendations. When finishing two weeks visiting daughter in Switzerland, we took the train to Venice. From there, no direct train to Vienna so took a bus to German border for train. Wasn't aware seats were assigned but 2nd class was upper tier. The ones they assigned us were front directly over the driver with the full glass windshield giving a panoramic view as we traveled through the Dolomites. Could not have planned it better.

This year will be doing similar, taking the train to Verona and renting a car for a few day, turning the car in at the Milan and fly home from there, rather than the arrival city, Zurich.
 
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