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ahaxton

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Jan 17, 2008
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This Lenovo will quickly fade away as soon as its out and the small community that even knows it exists doesn't care about it anymore.
 

Digital Skunk

macrumors G3
Dec 23, 2006
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In my imagination
typical PC manufacturers. All the hardware and features we want with out Apple computers, in the ugliest package imaginable.

It'd be nice to have the two USB ports and optical drive in the MBA, but if it is going to make the book as ugly as that hedious Lenovo (which is an ugly name even) then I don't want it.
 

DesmoPilot

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Feb 18, 2008
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You won't notice the difference between a 1.2 GHz and a 1.8 GHz processor?

And seriously, my laptop doesn't need GPS. It needs to not look like a piece of ****.

If you haven't noticed, people are incredibly shallow.

With everyday use yes i highly doubt that you'd notice the difference between the two processors.

The MBA actually was thought out and designed. This lenovo is just, lets fit whatever no matter how crappy it is so we can compete with the MBA. There's nothing new about this lenovo.

Do you even know what you're talking about? The Lenovo has been in development for longer than the MBA, not to mention it has an actual Optical Drive built INTO it, not an external drive.
 

ahaxton

macrumors 6502a
Jan 17, 2008
552
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With everyday use yes i highly doubt that you'd notice the difference between the two processors.



Do you even know what you're talking about? The Lenovo has been in development for longer than the MBA, not to mention it has an actual Optical Drive built INTO it, not an external drive.

You will notice a difference between the 2 processors.

Well it doesn't show it has been in development for so long. Crap job. An optical drive? big whoop. Apple could have done that as well if it used plastic and was thicker.
 

Adokimus

macrumors 6502a
Original poster
Jun 2, 2007
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Boston, MA
People are incredibly shallow. Hence, my computer needs to not look unstylish.

It's a simple, logical conclusion.

You dislike how realistic and cynical I am?


Yes. Be the change you want to see in the world.

I'm not saying you have to buy an ugly computer, just don't act like you're in high school. You should re-examine your "needs."
 

DesmoPilot

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Feb 18, 2008
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You will notice a difference between the 2 processors.

Well it doesn't show it has been in development for so long. Crap job. An optical drive? big whoop. Apple could have done that as well if it used plastic and was thicker.

How is it a crap job? Honestly?


Also an interesting Benchmark:

PCMark05 benchmark results (higher scores are better)


Lenovo ThinkPad X300 (Intel Core 2 Duo L7100 @ 1.20GHz, Intel X3100) 3,467 PCMarks

Apple MacBook Air (1.6GHz Intel Core 2 Duo P7500, Intel X3100)
2,478 PCMarks
 

Adokimus

macrumors 6502a
Original poster
Jun 2, 2007
842
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Boston, MA
How is it a crap job? Honestly?


Also an interesting Benchmark:

PCMark05 benchmark results (higher scores are better)


Lenovo ThinkPad X300 (Intel Core 2 Duo L7100 @ 1.20GHz, Intel X3100) 3,467 PCMarks

Apple MacBook Air (1.6GHz Intel Core 2 Duo P7500, Intel X3100)
2,478 PCMarks

Got a link to those benchmarks?

Thanks.
 

WilWheaton

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Feb 21, 2008
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The thinkpad is not made of plastic but a magnesium case (far superior to aluminum) and an internal rollcage made of carbon-fiber/glass-fiber. There is no doubt this is far more durable than the macbook air.

The macbook air has a stylish look to it, for sure, and the curves are deceiving as to its actual dimensions, but in the end of the day, the x300 will fit anywhere the mba will, and weigh the same, with more options to boot.

Hardware wise this is clearly a superior machine with the only potential letdown being the processor (which should be more than enough beef for the functions anyone would use it for, it is dual core after all)
 

clayj

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Jan 14, 2005
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The thinkpad is not made of plastic but a magnesium case (far superior to aluminum) and an internal rollcage made of carbon-fiber/glass-fiber. There is no doubt this is far more durable than the macbook air.

The macbook air has a stylish look to it, for sure, and the curves are deceiving as to its actual dimensions, but in the end of the day, the x300 will fit anywhere the mba will, and weigh the same, with more options to boot.

Hardware wise this is clearly a superior machine with the only potential letdown being the processor (which should be more than enough beef for the functions anyone would use it for, it is dual core after all)
This is definitely off-topic: Are you the Wil Wheaton?

Back on-topic: Sorry, but the x300 is ugly. Lenovo has never made a good looking machine, just as IBM never made a good looking machine. The little red nipple controller has GOT to go.
 

WilWheaton

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Feb 21, 2008
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Back on-topic: Sorry, but the x300 is ugly. Lenovo has never made a good looking machine, just as IBM never made a good looking machine. The little red nipple controller has GOT to go.

beauty is in the eye of the beholder. To me, the thinkpad line is an extremely professional looking design. The macbook air looks better, but its hardly a huge deal.
Also the trackpoint (the red nipple) is extremely functional once you get used to it. It allows a pretty good boost to productivity once you get used to it as well, its extremely accurate and allows you to continue using a mouse without moving your hands off of the home row on the keyboard. The left and right mouse buttons can easily be tapped with your thumbs below the space bar. Hell, you can even play shooters with it effectively.
 

Adokimus

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Original poster
Jun 2, 2007
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EDIT:

CNET/Crave seem to be wrong in saying that the Lenovo is 0.73" at it's thickest point. According to notebookreview.com, that's the thinnest point, and it gets as thick as 0.9" or something. I'm going to go ahead and say that I believe the notebookreview team on this one after looking at some comparison shots. Still a nice computer, but this is a key mistake by Crave. I'm actually hoping the next MBP will have that type of thickness (wider and longer of course). Anywho.
 

Adokimus

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Original poster
Jun 2, 2007
842
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beauty is in the eye of the beholder. To me, the thinkpad line is an extremely professional looking design. The macbook air looks better, but its hardly a huge deal.
Also the trackpoint (the red nipple) is extremely functional once you get used to it. It allows a pretty good boost to productivity once you get used to it as well, its extremely accurate and allows you to continue using a mouse without moving your hands off of the home row on the keyboard. The left and right mouse buttons can easily be tapped with your thumbs below the space bar. Hell, you can even play shooters with it effectively.

Way to dodge the "real Wil Wheaton" question...

haha
 

TatsuTerror

macrumors regular
Jan 1, 2008
144
1
uhh hello??? Are you kidding???? Big chunk of plastic with no regards for weight, nothing amazing. Apple could fit more if they took the fatter, same weight but used plastic.
  • This notebook's weight is about the same as the MBA's weight.
  • This notebook scored way higher in the benchmark previously posted in this thread.
  • This notebook is thin.
  • This notebook is filled with features the MBA doesn't have.
  • This notebook is ugly.
But since when did something being ugly stop people from buying it? If the "people are shallow" approach were true, Apple would have a bigger share of the computer market than they do right now. Apple fans are shallow sometimes, I'll give you that ;)

The only thing the MBA has on this is looks and the operating system. The Lenovo even costs much than the equivalent MBA. Sound familiar? It's the same as comparing an Apple desktop to an HP, or a Dell. You pay more for the operating system, the security, and the looks. The Lenovo is definately a superior piece of hardware.
 

ahaxton

macrumors 6502a
Jan 17, 2008
552
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The thinkpad is not made of plastic but a magnesium case (far superior to aluminum) and an internal rollcage made of carbon-fiber/glass-fiber. There is no doubt this is far more durable than the macbook air.

The macbook air has a stylish look to it, for sure, and the curves are deceiving as to its actual dimensions, but in the end of the day, the x300 will fit anywhere the mba will, and weigh the same, with more options to boot.

Hardware wise this is clearly a superior machine with the only potential letdown being the processor (which should be more than enough beef for the functions anyone would use it for, it is dual core after all)

Still my point sticks. Lighter casing.

The X300 weighs too much for being magnesium. I refuse to pay an amount of money the X300 is asking for ugly slapped together "ibook power". For being thicker and at it's weight, it should pack a better punch. FAIL.

A Macbook pro is also a superior machine. Lenovo fails though in competing with the MBA.
 

TatsuTerror

macrumors regular
Jan 1, 2008
144
1
Still my point sticks. Lighter casing.

The X300 weighs too much for being magnesium. I refuse to pay an amount of money the X300 is asking for ugly slapped together "ibook power". For being thicker and at it's weight, it should pack a better punch. FAIL.

A Macbook pro is also a superior machine. Lenovo fails though in competing with the MBA.
I FAIL to see why it's such a bad product. You can squeeze in 4GB of RAM. It's really not thick at all. And dude...it's weight is about a tenth of a pound away from the Macbook Air's. You refuse to pay that amount of money? Well let's see, the equivalent MBA would cost...wait, you say there isn't one? You can't have 3 USB ports? You can't have an ethernet port? You can't have a DVD player and burner? You can't have an express card slot? You can't have stereo speakers? Getting the point yet?

Just in case you don't want the SSD, you can get a 120GB 5400RPM SATA HD. Am I mistaken or is that higher than the base Macbook Air...and the base Macbook? Wait...it's the same as the Macbook Pro?


The only thing the Air has on this is the operating system and the looks. It's just like comparing any Mac to any equivalent (spec wise) PC.
 

kuwisdelu

macrumors 65816
Jan 13, 2008
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2
As good as the extra ports and those things are for many people, and however more "functional" those may make the X300, I think many users won't really notice such things during day-to-day use. I know there are a lot of people who need such functionality, but for lots of us it doesn't make a difference. I don't need those ports. The thinness of the MBA is more appealing as far as portability goes when they weigh about the same. The MBA has OS X, and is just beautiful. I don't think something has to be ugly to look professional. I'll take something as aesthetic as the MBA, with its faster processor and sleeker design, and its OS X. For some people, the X300 will make a lot more sense, but it isn't necessarily a better machine. Personally, I'd get the MBA, no contest, but I see why the X300 is a better option for some. Not me.

Also, I find it interesting that many people were calling the 1.6-1.8 GHz of the MBA "underpowered" and now the MBA's critics are calling the 1.2 GHz much more than sufficient for most people's needs. :confused: :rolleyes:
 

ahaxton

macrumors 6502a
Jan 17, 2008
552
0
I FAIL to see why it's such a bad product. You can squeeze in 4GB of RAM. It's really not thick at all. And dude...it's weight is about a tenth of a pound away from the Macbook Air's. You refuse to pay that amount of money? Well let's see, the equivalent MBA would cost...wait, you say there isn't one? You can't have 3 USB ports? You can't have an ethernet port? You can't have a DVD player and burner? You can't have an express card slot? You can't have stereo speakers? Getting the point yet?

Just in case you don't want the SSD, you can get a 120GB 5400RPM SATA HD. Am I mistaken or is that higher than the base Macbook Air...and the base Macbook? Wait...it's the same as the Macbook Pro?


The only thing the Air has on this is the operating system and the looks. It's just like comparing any Mac to any equivalent (spec wise) PC.

The MBA though is bringing the portable market mainstream. You have to be radical. I would just buy a MacBook if I wanted something portable and there was no MBA. You need to get radical in creating an ultraportable machine. A bunch of features being put in a hefty portable is not pushing the envelope whatsoever.
 

tstarks33

macrumors regular
Jan 28, 2008
192
0
Mba Defense Force, Assemble And Crush This Possible Competitor!!!

Do It Fast... My Battery Won't Last Long.
 

TatsuTerror

macrumors regular
Jan 1, 2008
144
1
As good as the extra ports and those things are for many people, and however more "functional" those may make the X300, I think many users won't really notice such things during day-to-day use. I know there are a lot of people who need such functionality, but for lots of us it doesn't make a difference. I don't need those ports. The thinness of the MBA is more appealing as far as portability goes when they weigh about the same. The MBA has OS X, and is just beautiful. I don't think something has to be ugly to look professional. I'll take something as aesthetic as the MBA, with its faster processor and sleeker design, and its OS X. For some people, the X300 will make a lot more sense, but it isn't necessarily a better machine. Personally, I'd get the MBA, no contest, but I see why the X300 is a better option for some. Not me.

Also, I find it interesting that many people were calling the 1.6-1.8 GHz of the MBA "underpowered" and now the MBA's critics are calling the 1.2 GHz much more than sufficient for most people's needs. :confused: :rolleyes:
I'm not an MBA hater, but I'm just going off of the information I have...the benchmark someone posted earlier in the thread. The X300 scored much higher than the MBA. Again, you're taking the MBA for the design, and the operating system. That's fine. What I'm pointing out is, there isn't a point in shooting down the X300 because in fact, it offers more in the hardware world than the Macbook Air offers. If you don't mind losing the USB ports, the stereo speakers, the optical drive, the ethernet port, and the SSD, the Macbook Air is definately for you. But it's obvious the X300 offers more in the functionality department. As I said, if you don't need what it has to offer, then get the MBA.
 

TatsuTerror

macrumors regular
Jan 1, 2008
144
1
The MBA though is bringing the portable market mainstream. You have to be radical. I would just buy a MacBook if I wanted something portable and there was no MBA. You need to get radical in creating an ultraportable machine. A bunch of features being put in a hefty portable is not pushing the envelope whatsoever.
The portable market is "mainstream" already. That's why Apple decided to get involved in the portable market -- it's already thriving.
 
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