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The original article I read made me laugh because the Lenovo product manager said that he was tired of seeing "silver" laptops. Black laptops with that little red nubbin.. yeah, there's not many of those around.
 

ahaxton

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The original article I read made me laugh because the Lenovo product manager said that he was tired of seeing "silver" laptops. Black laptops with that little red nubbin.. yeah, there's not many of those around.


Sick.... He probably meant to say Lenovo can't pull off silver looks wise which just imagining it makes you want to puke.
 

ageha

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The original article I read made me laugh because the Lenovo product manager said that he was tired of seeing "silver" laptops. Black laptops with that little red nubbin.. yeah, there's not many of those around.

Actually he's right. I'm also tired of silver. Silver always looks cheep like a mobile phone.
 

ahaxton

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Actually he's right. I'm also tired of silver. Silver always looks cheep like a mobile phone.

You have to have something that suits the color. Flat out this Lenovo can't pull off silver b/c of its bulkiness and 90's design. It's pretty obvious why they went black. Can't change color like that if you keep your 90's design.
 

ageha

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You have to have something that suits the color. Flat out this Lenovo can't pull off silver b/c of its bulkiness and 90's design. It's pretty obvious why they went black. Can't change color like that if you keep your 90's design.

Lenovo's design is bad as well. And I think the 80's design of the MPA is even worse, it's way too curvy. It's just I don't like silver. I would prefer brushed titanium.
 

Mr.Green

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BusinessWeek has an article about the X300 and one of the things I found interesting was that they only expect to sell 60,000 of them.

I would think that Apple will be selling a lot more of the MB Air.

I do like the features, but it looks the same as my Thinkpad T20 from 10 years ago. The design really hasn't changed since 1992, over 16 years ago. Some people say Classic design, I say dated and lazy.
 

ageha

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Ti, too 'spensive. But I too liked that look over the glossy Al.

The MBP has a relatively thin aluminum shell. Titanium isn't that expensive but compared to aluminum they would need to spend probably 10 times more. How much is the aluminum worth Apple needs per MBP? £1? Even high-grade steel is more expensive.
 

Mr.Green

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Ti, too 'spensive. But I too liked that look over the glossy Al.

Did you actually ever own one? I found it to be less durable than the current aluminum designs. The paint used on the trim would flake off and instead of denting when dropped, the TI would tear. I actually also think the TI had a glossier/smoother finish than the Aluminum.
 

Roba

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People say that the MBA is made of AL but is it even? I have read that the casing is made out of magnesium alloy.

Both of these products weigh about the same. The x300 is lighter with the removable optical drive not installed. The minor weight difference between both of these models is a non issue.

I used to think that the Lenovo laptops looked boring and ugly but that was before i ever saw one up close. I am not really one for all black laptops but the Lenovo laptops have a look of there own that i quite like.

The processor could have maybe have been done with being slightly higher or they could have offered different choices. The pay of though for that is a slight decrease in battery life and for some in this market battery life is very important.

Neither of these laptops are designed to be used by power users and i am sure that for those who do not do anything to intensive with their computer will find that the processor is enough.
 

ageha

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Neither of these laptops are designed to be used by power users and i am sure that for those who do not do anything to intensive with their computer will find that the processor is enough.

I think so as well. Has the X300 a removable battery?
 

Sesshi

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The MBP has a relatively thin aluminum shell. Titanium isn't that expensive but compared to aluminum they would need to spend probably 10 times more. How much is the aluminum worth Apple needs per MBP? £1? Even high-grade steel is more expensive.

Hard-anodised aluminium is very durable against abrasion (until the anodising wears off, then it might as well be made of paper), very attractive in finish and easy to work. For Apple where superficial style rules over solid engineering, it's a perfect match.

Magnesium is tougher to work with and the finish is generally speaking less attractive / flexible than alu - and that's why fewer companies (and also those with greater economies of scale) use it. I believe Apple does use Mag subframes on some of their notebooks. Titanium is a stupid metal to use on notebooks, because although Ti has great tensile strength, the grade of Ti that can be easily and economically worked into products like notebooks is comparatively soft and easily scratched.
 

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yellow

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Did you actually ever own one? I found it to be less durable than the current aluminum designs. The paint used on the trim would flake off and instead of denting when dropped, the TI would tear. I actually also think the TI had a glossier/smoother finish than the Aluminum.

Yes, I have 3 defunct TiPBs sitting in my office on the shelf.

I have never dropped a laptop. Ever.

The Ti is matte gray, smoother perhaps because of the finish, but definitely not glossier.
 

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ageha

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Titanium is a stupid metal to use on notebooks, because although Ti has great tensile strength, the grade of Ti that can be easily and economically worked into products like notebooks is comparatively soft and easily scratched.

Yeah but I talked about the color.

I would prefer stainless steel. It's soft as well and even heavier than Ti but it feels sturdy.
 

Roba

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Yes the x300 has a removable battery.

In regards to my other point in my post above about the LV processors having slightly better battery life over L voltage processors. According to Lenovo the x300 with the 6 cell battery is reported as having better battery life than the MBA.

The x300 ships with a 3 cell battery or you can configure it with a 6 cell battery. The MBA is either shipping with a high capacity 4 cell battery or a 6 cell battery. I have read that the MBA's battery is rated at about 5000 mAh.
http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/macbook-air-ssd-review.ars/2
This rating is nearly just as good as the majority of 6 cell batteries. You have to look at the mAh rating if you are going to compare battery life.

I am not sure what the mAh rating of the x300 3 cell battery is but it should be like under 3000mAh. The 6 cell battery if it is not a high capacity battery should be around 5000mAh.


I think so as well. Has the X300 a removable battery?
 

Adokimus

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From Mossberg's matchup:

If you read through the thread, you'll see that I already corrected this. The first site I read (Crave) gave the misinformation, but after reading the notebookreview.com review and photos, I found the correct specs and reported them here.
 

Airforce

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That's a stupid argument in my opinion. Why do people buy mercedes cars then? Why do people buy expensive, designed furniture or clothes? Face it, it may not be important to you, but some people like pretty things, and I can't see anything wrong with that. As a designer I'd be out of business if it were otherwise. ;)

Thank god for people with more money than brains, right? ;)
 

ctt1wbw

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I'm arguing with those idiots over at the arstechnica forums. Here's what some dude called zprime said about the x300's light:

"I can't speak for other people, and I wouldn't consider myself a Windows fanboy at all... (I actually think OS X is quite nice and would gladly run it on my current thinkpad if Apple would allow it.)
But I call it the "oooh-ah" factor because that's exactly the response it elicits. You dim the lights, and the keyboard glows. Nifty. It's useful. But how does it function in a low-light situation where you want it OFF? Is there an easy hotkey to disable the backlight, or do you have to dig through the software? (I don't own a Mac of any type so I truly don't know.) Also, while backlighting the keyboard is nice to make typing in the dark easier, those of us who can touch type don't really need to see the keyboard. The Thinklight is more useful, because it can also illuminate documents if you're trying to input something in a dark area."

This is their line of thinking over there. I was called a fanboy because I asked them questions about the x300... :rolleyes:
 

Adokimus

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Lucky for me, I will soon have the opportunity to fiddle with both the X300 and the MBA.

Do tell. I'd love to hear a first-hand account. I already know the Air will be more physically impressive, but let us know how the Lenovo performs and how the form factor is.

Thanks!
 

ctt1wbw

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Thank god for people with more money than brains, right? ;)

Well not really. I think a Mercedes has better build quality than a Kia. And we know the price of each.

Do tell. I'd love to hear a first-hand account. I already know the Air will be more physically impressive, but let us know how the Lenovo performs and how the form factor is.

Thanks!


Well, it DOES run Windows, right? Once you've run Windows on a Toshiba, it can't be much different than on a Thinkpad or a Dell or an HP or anything else.
 

ahaxton

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Aint it sexy? lol (MBA on top of a X300)
 

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ctt1wbw

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It looks like a normal Thinkpad. I thought they said it was supposed to be thinner than the Air? Looks twice as thick to me. Maybe that's how it has all those ports and dvd burner in there.
 
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