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ahaxton

macrumors 6502a
Jan 17, 2008
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It looks like a normal Thinkpad. I thought they said it was supposed to be thinner than the Air? Looks twice as thick to me. Maybe that's how it has all those ports and dvd burner in there.

It's I guess somewhat thinner due to the less power in it. The LCD looks thicker too.
 

ahaxton

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Jan 17, 2008
552
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MBA snugly in envelope, Lenovo about to burst out of a manila envelope.
 

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Sauron's Master

macrumors regular
Dec 24, 2002
186
0
Saratoga, CA / New York, NY
Yes. Be the change you want to see in the world.

I'm not saying you have to buy an ugly computer, just don't act like you're in high school. You should re-examine your "needs."

There is no change necessary. Being concerned with a) social demands and b) appearances are evolutionary adaptations with viable and substantive purpose. Figure out why on your on.

And trust me, being "shallow" and concerned with outward appearances is hardly high school behavior. People who rail against judging on looks are, in fact, the people who haven't figured the true purpose of appearance.
 

ahaxton

macrumors 6502a
Jan 17, 2008
552
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Benchmarks are worthless without the test's details.

The MBA did not have a SSD. In fact, if you read above that chart, you would have noticed the x300 getting handily beat by the MBA.

And regardless of what some people say, one can tell the difference between a 1.2 GHz and 1.8 GHz C2D outside of games.



And of course they wrote the review as if the SSD difference wasn't really a big thing. The part where the Lenovo beat MBA (SSD) thats where they said MBA had no SSD in test model, but if it did, the results would probably be comparable. I'd say the MBA would smoke it just as it did in the other benchmark.

There is no change necessary. Being concerned with a) social demands and b) appearances are evolutionary adaptations with viable and substantive purpose. Figure out why on your on.

And trust me, being "shallow" and concerned with outward appearances is hardly high school behavior. People who rail against judging on looks are, in fact, the people who haven't figured the true purpose of appearance.


Also to note, the Lenovo doesn't have to get better looking, but if they are going to make it fat and hefty atleast make it appear thinner if they aren't going to make it thin like a MBA.
 

BongoBanger

macrumors 68000
Feb 5, 2008
1,920
0
To be honest I don't see the point of the X300 when the X61 already exists. Heck, when the 3000 V200 exists.

It's a business toy, just as the Air is a personal toy.
 

Kendall015

macrumors regular
Sep 12, 2006
115
1
To be honest I don't see the point of the X300 when the X61 already exists. Heck, when the 3000 V200 exists.

It's a business toy, just as the Air is a personal toy.

In a room full of Thinkpads, I doubt that the X300 would really stand out anyways. I mean, they have looked pretty much the same for what, 20 years now? And people say that the MacBook Pro's design is stale after 5 years...
 

3nm

macrumors 6502a
Jul 30, 2006
991
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Fail. Lenovo != IBM.

i think potential MBA/x300 buyers would appreciate it if you'd kindly elaborate on the "≠" pertaining to thinkpads' design, quality, and support (in other words, non-brand related) with sources.
 

queshy

macrumors 68040
Apr 2, 2005
3,690
4
This is a good alternative for those who need the features...but for those who don't, the mba is clearly better in terms of the design, OS, and even price.
 

mashoutposse

macrumors 6502
Dec 13, 2003
371
45
MacBook Air:

-significantly faster
-noticeably thinner; nearly 50% less volume
-backlit keyboard
-superior aesthetics
-better battery life
-OSX
-minimum price: $1800

X300:

-expandable (memory/battery)
-more ports
-higher resolution screen
-built-in 3G connectivity
-optical drive
-minimum price: $2400

It's clear from these lists that the MBA excels where it matters most for consumers, while the X300 is geared towards solving the problems of mobile power users.

Look at the above lists and the picture below -- personally, the decision to purchase the MBA was a no-brainer:

31169.jpg
 

nsbio

macrumors 6502a
Aug 8, 2006
634
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NC
MacBook Air:

Look at the above lists and the picture below -- personally, the decision to purchase the MBA was a no-brainer:

That is, if you do not have firewire external drives that you use. Or a FW camera (the best gift for an MBA owner :p). If Lenovo does not have FW, then it loses the competition soundly.

Some people also use ethernet connection and MBA is useless for them (another dongle - no, thanks). If you are on wireless 100% of the time, then MBA is good.
 

Roba

macrumors 6502
Mar 18, 2006
349
2
I don't believe that the MBA has better battery life than the x300 with the LV processor and the 6 cell battery. Some reports have given the MBA 3 hour battery life. I won't base everything on what Mossberg has written.

Significantly faster it maybe faster in some tasks but if you load the x300 with 4GB of ram and run it in 64bit Vista then it will be faster at some tasks also.

Looks is also subjective.

The x300 also has the LED backlight screen.
MacBook Air:

-significantly faster
-noticeably thinner; nearly 50% less volume
-backlit keyboard
-superior aesthetics
-better battery life
-OSX
-minimum price: $1800

X300:

-expandable (memory/battery)
-more ports
-higher resolution screen
-built-in 3G connectivity
-optical drive
-minimum price: $2400

It's clear from these lists that the MBA excels where it matters most for consumers, while the X300 is geared towards solving the problems of mobile power users.

Look at the above lists and the picture below -- personally, the decision to purchase the MBA was a no-brainer:
 

mashoutposse

macrumors 6502
Dec 13, 2003
371
45
I don't believe that the MBA has better battery life than the x300 with the LV processor and he 6 cell battery. Some reports have given the MBA 3 hour battery life. I won't base everything on what Mossberg has written.

CNet says that the HDD-equipped MBA ran 20 minutes longer than the X300 w/ the 6-cell battery.

http://reviews.cnet.com/laptops/lenovo-thinkpad-x300/4505-3121_7-32864938.html

Significantly faster that is also detable it maybe faster in some tasks but if you load the x300 with 4GB of ram and run it in 64bit Vista then it will be faster at some tasks also.

Check the review I posted above -- CPU-dependent tasks are completed ~40% faster on the base 1.6GHz MBA. The X300 closes the gap with the HDD MBA in processes that involve lots of reading from the SSD.

Looks is also subjective.

Of course.

The x300 also has teh LED backlight screen.

Yes.
 

Roba

macrumors 6502
Mar 18, 2006
349
2
mashoutposse i was not disputing that the more demanding CPU intensive tasks may perform better on the MBA. I do however think that the extra ram may make the system perform faster in some other tasks.

That battery test is interesting. I will read more reviews and see what they say. I have read reviews that have given the MBA just under 3 hours and reviews that have given it 4 hours plus battery life.
This was Lenovo’s projected battery life. I am always sceptical though of what any manufacturer has to say about projected battery life.

http://usera.imagecave.com/picturesmac/life.jpg

I would like to see future comparisons run the systems as close as possible and that means removing or disabling the dvd drive when testing the battery life. I don’t know if C-Net did that as I don’t have the time right now to read all the review. Also, I am not sure what configuration of notebook they tested but if you leave the GPS enabled and WWAN on when on battery that will also consume power.
 

John.B

macrumors 601
Jan 15, 2008
4,195
706
Holocene Epoch
i think potential MBA/x300 buyers would appreciate it if you'd kindly elaborate on the "≠" pertaining to thinkpads' design, quality, and support (in other words, non-brand related) with sources.
Simple, Lenovo bought out the IBM personal computer business. The Lenovo Thinkpad is no longer an IBM product.

When I said Lenovo != IBM, I meant that despite the marketing efforts that Lenovo puts into making everyone think the new Thinkpads are still the old IBM Thinkpads, Big Blue no longer has anything to do with that product line.
 

tstarks33

macrumors regular
Jan 28, 2008
192
0
MacBook Air:

-significantly faster
-noticeably thinner; nearly 50% less volume
-backlit keyboard
-superior aesthetics
-better battery life
-OSX
-minimum price: $1800

X300:

-expandable (memory/battery)
-more ports
-higher resolution screen
-built-in 3G connectivity
-optical drive
-minimum price: $2400

It's clear from these lists that the MBA excels where it matters most for consumers, while the X300 is geared towards solving the problems of mobile power users.

OSX is enough to put me squarely in the MBA camp (though I'd never actually buy a MBA). But when you list the features out like that, I have to scratch my head and wonder what market exactly the MBA is going for. People say how awesome it is to carry around less weight when doing frequently traveling, but the actual travelers I know would take the extra features listed on the x300 side in a second.

Anyway, coming from a Thinkpad, I have not a single bad thing to say about those computers. Lenovo is doing a great job with this line, as they always have, and to say it's not IBM is not exactly a knock against Thinkpads or the company itself.
 

Digital Skunk

macrumors G3
Dec 23, 2006
8,100
930
In my imagination
I went to the Apple Store....

Saw the MBA...

Held it in my hands.... It's light

Looked at it closely... it's small

Twisted it, turned in, tried to break it.... it's construction is FAR SUPERIOR to the MBP

I ran iLife and other apps at the same time, not speedy but it passes....

I AM A BELIEVER!

Will hopefully be picking one up for the Mrs.
 

Sauron's Master

macrumors regular
Dec 24, 2002
186
0
Saratoga, CA / New York, NY
mashoutposse i was not disputing that the more demanding CPU intensive tasks may perform better on the MBA. I do however think that the extra ram may make the system perform faster in some other tasks.

That battery test is interesting. I will read more reviews and see what they say. I have read reviews that have given the MBA just under 3 hours and reviews that have given it 4 hours plus battery life.
This was Lenovo’s projected battery life. I am always sceptical though of what any manufacturer has to say about projected battery life.

http://usera.imagecave.com/picturesmac/life.jpg

I would like to see future comparisons run the systems as close as possible and that means removing or disabling the dvd drive when testing the battery life. I don’t know if C-Net did that as I don’t have the time right now to read all the review. Also, I am not sure what configuration of notebook they tested but if you leave the GPS enabled and WWAN on when on battery that will also consume power.

Gee, I wonder what could cause variation in battery test results. Maybe, you know, they were testing with different tasks. :rolleyes:

Virtually every program that needs more than 2GB of RAM will be CPU or GPU intensive/bound. The idea that x300's RAM will make it faster is a delusional fantasy.
 

jonswan

macrumors regular
Jul 26, 2007
182
0
Although ThinkPads tend to work well from experience at work, they also tend to be repulsive to look at and do not run Mac OSX, so exactly why would I want one?
 

dongmin

macrumors 68000
Jan 3, 2002
1,710
6
OSX is enough to put me squarely in the MBA camp (though I'd never actually buy a MBA). But when you list the features out like that, I have to scratch my head and wonder what market exactly the MBA is going for. People say how awesome it is to carry around less weight when doing frequently traveling, but the actual travelers I know would take the extra features listed on the x300 side in a second.

To me, the MBA's three biggest flaws are:

1. Slow 4200 rpm HDD
2. Dearth of ports
3. Inability to swap out the battery when traveling

The first problem is an easy fix. Prices for NAND flash is falling pretty quickly so in no time, it'll be a cheap upgrade to the faster SDD.

The second problem will require a revision to the design. It's baffling to me why Apple couldn't just make the port doors a little bigger and add a second USB port. Since there are zero internal expansion options (for 3g, gps, etc.) the least Apple could've done was give more external expansion options, i.e. more USB ports.

The third problem, I'm hoping, will be solved by a third party solution. It shouldn't be that hard to design a battery pack that connects directly to the magsafe connector and double/triple the battery life of the MBA for those long flights.
 

haner

macrumors newbie
Feb 23, 2008
20
0
Is the build quality of the Lenovo the same as it was when IBM made it? It's a Chinese made machine, so there might be tons of lead in it. :eek::D
Give me an effing break. Where do you think your Mac is made? I wouldn't recommend you licking your ipod either.
 
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