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akuma13

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Yeah I think that wimpiness is part of the issue. But it's interesting, I was reading just recently an article on how Google secretly forces oems to use their services by twisting around the open source nature of Android. The first thing I wondered is if they did that all these years, why can they not get the oems to put out timely OS and security updates and have to rely on decoupling their apps and project treble? Google is a weird company, and I suspect (although it's kind of obvious) that the hydra just has too many heads to function correctly at times.

I thought that was pretty obvious. Look at their many iterations of their software/apps.
 
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Macalicious2011

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The Pixel 2 XL 128gb at launch was (and is still very near) £899. More expensive than the S9+ and Note 8. So it's very much a flagship price.

Wow. The bash fest continue from people who either haven't tried the P2XL or/and are pulling random prices out of thin air.

The P2XL £128GB is £649 on Carphonewarehouse. As I said earlier the 64GB was even available at £600 3-4 months ago and is now only £550. The is S9 Plus £869, iPhone X £959 and £256GB iPhone X is £1109.

Spin it however you want but for the majority of it's life span the Pixel 2 XL has been considerably cheaper than its rivals.

It seems like other OEMs are stepping up instead (OnePlus, Huawei...).

This is great as Motorola and LG have for the most part not been strong enough competitors to Samsung. The OnePlus6 is exceptionally good even if it's let down by the screen. Their barriers to mainstream success is distribution and marketing. Samsung's market drowns out almost every Android phone manufacturer.
 

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@Macalicious2011 I was simply pointing out that the 128gb 2XL was £899 at launch, which is most definitely a flagship price. It might have come down at some places but not all are selling for £649 and the fact still remains it was £899 at launch.

Are people not allowed to point things out to you when you're wrong without being accused of bashing? Calm down.
 
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epicrayban

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6gb or ram makes a "real world difference" says MKBHD:


Hardware matters, Google.

It did when Apple was behind on hardware. It does now when Google is behind on hardware.
 

Aneres11

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Funny thing with my Pixel XL running the P beta...

I ended up disabling the gestures as I didn't really like them too much.
Since that, I downloaded a launcher from the playstore called Lean Launcher which is like a suped up version of the stock pixel launcher.

Anyway as it looks so like the Pixel launcher, I forgot it was running and decided to turn gestures on again just now.

Weirdly, swiping up from your app tray (so above the new line home button) brings up your app drawer as normal. Whereas a swipe up from the actual home button brings up your most recent.

And boy does it work amazingly well!! This is how it always should have been. It's pretty genius actually. I'm not sure if it's meant to even function this way purposely, or if it's just the way the launcher happens to register it but it's amazing!

What an odd but great find!
 
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tbayrgs

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Wow. The bash fest continue from people who either haven't tried the P2XL or/and are pulling random prices out of thin air.

The P2XL £128GB is £649 on Carphonewarehouse. As I said earlier the 64GB was even available at £600 3-4 months ago and is now only £550. The is S9 Plus £869, iPhone X £959 and £256GB iPhone X is £1109.

Spin it however you want but for the majority of it's life span the Pixel 2 XL has been considerably cheaper than its rivals.



This is great as Motorola and LG have for the most part not been strong enough competitors to Samsung. The OnePlus6 is exceptionally good even if it's let down by the screen. Their barriers to mainstream success is distribution and marketing. Samsung's market drowns out almost every Android phone manufacturer.

Cheaper than it's rivals at a single UK retailer. Here in the States, the 3 sources for purchasing the Pixel 2 XL (Google, Verizon, Best Buy) all currently are selling it for the same price as it was on launch day, $849 for 64GB and $949 for 128GB. The only phones more expensive are iPhone X models.

Google’s UK store has the 2 XL pricing right up there with the latest Samsung offerings (£799-£899). CPW may have lower prices now but I don’t believe that’s where they started back at launch. CPW may simply have excess inventory and needs a price incentive to move it.

And before you judge me for being critical of a device ‘I’ve never personally used’, I like the Pixel line and own a Pixel 2. Spin it any way you like but it’s a flagship piece of hardware and it’s priced that way by Google.
 
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nviz22

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6gb or ram makes a "real world difference" says MKBHD:


Hardware matters, Google.

It did when Apple was behind on hardware. It does now when Google is behind on hardware.

Motorola just released its Z3 with 4gb RAM and an 835 processor. For $480, it's not a terrible deal, but I wouldn't call it a flagship.

For the $700 price range, it's reasonable to expect 6gb RAM or more for an Android flagship. For an iPhone 2018 flagship, 4gb RAM should be a reasonable expectation.
 
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epicrayban

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Motorola just released its Z3 with 4gb RAM and an 835 processor. For $480, it's not a terrible deal, but I wouldn't call it a flagship.

For the $700 price range, it's reasonable to expect 6gb RAM or more for an Android flagship. For an iPhone 2018 flagship, 4gb RAM should be a reasonable expectation.

Agreed.

It'd be nice to see more future-proofing from Google at these premium prices. Even just on a competition level, 6GB RAM is no longer just specs for the sake of specs. There are real world gains and it's becoming more common place in Android devices.

Again, it just doesn't feel like Google is competing.

Like MKBHD said in his video, the differences in specs can play out down the road in the life of your phone.

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Cheaper than it's rivals at a single UK retailer. Here in the States, the 3 sources for purchasing the Pixel 2 XL (Google, Verizon, Best Buy) all currently are selling it for the same price as it was on launch day, $849 for 64GB and $949 for 128GB. The only phones more expensive are iPhone X models.

Google’s UK store has the 2 XL pricing right up there with the latest Samsung offerings (£799-£899). CPW may have lower prices now but I don’t believe that’s where they started back at launch. CPW may simply have excess inventory and needs a price incentive to move it.

And before you judge me for being critical of a device ‘I’ve never personally used’, I like the Pixel line and own a Pixel 2. Spin it any way you like but it’s a flagship piece of hardware and it’s priced that way by Google.

You don't even have to own the Pixel 2 XL to know it's priced amongst premium flagships. It's just math.
 
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nviz22

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Agreed.

It'd be nice to see more future-proofing from Google at these premium prices. Even just on a competition level, 6GB RAM is no longer just specs for the sake of specs. There is real world gains and it's becoming more common place in Android devices.

Again, it just doesn't feel like Google is competing.


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You don't even have to own the Pixel 2 XL to know it's priced amongst premium flagships. It's just math.

You can see why I am also in the Apple corner? I can probably pay a similar price for the 2018 X and get more longevity than what the Pixel 3XL will provide.

I am all for Google's software, I loved the Pixel software. But the hardware was suspect and Google wasn't giving me enough confidence to go with the 3 or 3 XL. And the Apple Watch was the final nail in the coffin that let my decision be final.
 
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akuma13

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You can see why I am also in the Apple corner? I can probably pay a similar price for the 2018 X and get more longevity than what the Pixel 3XL will provide.

I am all for Google's software, I loved the Pixel software. But the hardware was suspect and Google wasn't giving me enough confidence to go with the 3 or 3 XL. And the Apple Watch was the final nail in the coffin that let my decision be final.

Once you get a taste of that Apple ecosystem, it’s hard to leave. I just bought an iphone 8 plus because i missed using my Apple Watch ( to a lesser extent imessages and polished apps). I still LOVE my Pixel 2XL and anytime I have a photo opportunity I always carry it.
 

nviz22

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Once you get a taste of that Apple ecosystem, it’s hard to leave. I just bought an iphone 8 plus because i missed using my Apple Watch ( to a lesser extent imessages and polished apps). I still LOVE my Pixel 2XL and anytime I have a photo opportunity I always carry it.

I actually have an old Nexus 5X to keep as a backup. I might have to fire it up to get a feel for Android P if it has it.
 

Shanghaichica

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Agreed.

It'd be nice to see more future-proofing from Google at these premium prices. Even just on a competition level, 6GB RAM is no longer just specs for the sake of specs. There is real world gains and it's becoming more common place in Android devices.

Again, it just doesn't feel like Google is competing.

Like MKBHD said in his video, the differences in specs can play out down the road in the life of your phone.

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You don't even have to own the Pixel 2 XL to know it's priced amongst premium flagships. It's just math.
That's always been my issue with the pixel line. Google are charging premium prices and yeah the camera is good, but otherwise it's hardware doesn't warrant the price.
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I actually have an old Nexus 5X to keep as a backup. I might have to fire it up to get a feel for Android P if it has it.
It doesn't oldest google phone to get android P is the OG pixel.
 
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Ralfi

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6gb or ram makes a "real world difference" says MKBHD:


Hardware matters, Google.

It did when Apple was behind on hardware. It does now when Google is behind on hardware.
Just watched that vid, & I'm suspicious on Google...new phone imminent, & their previous model starts to show signs of slow downs in the months prior??

They're...not copying Apple again are they? :eek:
 

epicrayban

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Just watched that vid, & I'm suspicious on Google...new phone imminent, & their previous model starts to show signs of slow downs in the months prior??

They're...not copying Apple again are they? :eek:


As an owner of the Pixel 2, the software was never perfect to begin with. I believe a lot of this idea that stock Android and iOS are perfectly stable and perfectly smooth was bolstered by people's general criticism and hate toward Samsung's software. And a couple of years ago, they'd be right. It's got us either believing or pretending to believe that stock Android and iOS are perfect by comparison.

Every phone has the occasional lag, the occasional stutter or dropped-frame, the occasional misbehaving app, etc. Whether it's Samsung's, Apple's, Google's, or OnePlus', all phones have hiccups to varying degrees. And it's okay. They're all generally still stable and good. Even the iPhone X when I had it had the occasional un-registered tap or slight delay in pulling down for search -- and this certainly still happens on my iPad. In fact, whenever these little things happen on any iOS device I use, it stands out because of the aforementioned beliefs that iOS is perfect.

Chrome on my Pixel 2 this morning froze. I had to app switcher it and close it out then reopen to get it working again. That was just this morning, and not the first time.
 
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nviz22

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That's always been my issue with the pixel line. Google are charging premium prices and yeah the camera is good, but otherwise it's hardware doesn't warrant the price.
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It doesn't oldest google phone to get android P is the OG pixel.

No big deal, it’s an old crappy phone lol. It’s bound to bootloop at some point after more use.
 

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I believe a lot of this idea that stock Android and iOS are perfectly stable and perfectly smooth was bolstered by people's general criticism and hate toward Samsung's software. And a couple of years ago, they'd be right

Bingo! It is with a little heartbreak now that I use the Pixel 2 XL and iPhone X as my dailies. Seeing all the little software quirks that weren’t there a few years ago is a bit depressing.

If the Pixel 3 only has 4 gb of ram, that’s a no go for me. Android needs ram. The notch in addition to bezels is already a huge turnoff. Add a potential dip in performance, and I have no reason to be interested. Stock Android isn’t the draw it used to be.
 

slitherjef

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So, who is going to pass on this thing for a OnePlus 6t?

My pixel XL 2 still working on p beta one (still no OTA prompt but I'm rooted). I think we have reached a complete saturation of phones and even new (and especially expensive) ones with minor upgrades have gotten stagnant and boring cash grabs.
 

Aneres11

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So, who is going to pass on this thing for a OnePlus 6t?

Nope.
Even with one lens, it's basically going to be all but guaranteed (and I'll eat my words if not) that the Pixel 3 camera will be better than anything OnePlus can produce.

For me personally I can't wait to see the smaller Pixel 3. There's a lot of hate flying round these forums for the XL, and I myself have added to the negativity, but I'm all about a smaller phone anyway so I'm looking forward to seeing what the regular 3 will be like.

I'm also just not a big fan of OnePlus in general tbh.
 
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slitherjef

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I suspect there are a bunch of pixel 2 users here, that's why I was wondering if many were going to pass the 3.

The little bit I've tinkered with my op6 it seemed a bit more open to tinkering. I realize not everyone tinkers

I'll likely ride out the op6 / pixel XL 2 for a bit longer until I break something or get a wild hair and decide to update something.
 

epicrayban

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I'm definitely interested in seeing the 6T before committing to the Pixel 3. You never know.

For now, leaning more towards Pixel 3. The camera experience is a big deal.
 
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Lava Lamp Freak

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The size of the OnePlus 6 was the primary reason I passed on it. I don't see the 6T being offered at a smaller size. Even if the camera was better, it's still too large for my preference.

Pixel 2 is my ideal device size. So, if the Pixel 3 is the same size with larger screen, it'll be my next device.
 
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nviz22

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So, who is going to pass on this thing for a OnePlus 6t?

My pixel XL 2 still working on p beta one (still no OTA prompt but I'm rooted). I think we have reached a complete saturation of phones and even new (and especially expensive) ones with minor upgrades have gotten stagnant and boring cash grabs.

I would still stay with a 2XL due to the camera if I had one.
 
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I'm definitely interested in seeing the 6T before committing to the Pixel 3. You never know.

For now, leaning more towards Pixel 3. The camera experience is a big deal.

I think I’m forgoing the 3 in favor of the Note9. Who would have ever guessed Samsung would offer the most consistent and stable Android devices in the market.
 
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