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oldmacs

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Well i can say for sure my Ipad2 is not useable on 9.2 even after many reinstalls and all the display options via accessibility off..

Sadly I accidentally upgraded my iPad 2 from iOS 8 to iOS 9 and it is a lot slower. I still find mine usable, but for literally no new features, Safari is a reload/error message bug fest, app load times are stretched out, multitasking is even less existent and the whole thing locks up from time to time doing simple tasks.

I have not used a single iOS 9 device that is actually the same as iOS 8 or faster, every single one of the 12 iPad 2's I've used under iOS 9 has been the same, so sadly its not just my device :'(

I was setting something up on my Dad's iPad 2 (7.1.2) earlier today and the thing just FLYS! Everything is instant and there is virtually no lag.
 
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Sadly I accidentally upgraded my iPad 2 from iOS 8 to iOS 9 and it is a lot slower. I still find mine usable, but for literally no new features, Safari is a reload/error message bug fest, app load times are stretched out, multitasking is even less existent and the whole thing locks up from time to time doing simple tasks.

I have not used a single iOS 9 device that is actually the same as iOS 8 or faster, every single one of the 12 iPad 2's I've used under iOS 9 has been the same, so sadly its not just my device :'(
Interesting that on my IPAD 2 IOS 8, safari was a reload/error message bug fest and much more stable on IOS 9. The entire IOS 8 experience was sub-optimal on both my ipads. As you told me in the past and now I'm suggesting the same, those 12 ipads have daft installations.
 

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The funny thing is that when I tried the iOS 9 beta on my iPhone 5s, it ran extremely fast and smooth, with the caveat that the phone was prone to overheating and rapid battery drain. I wonder if this is why we are not seeing the promised performance improvements in iOS 9, because the use of metal for animations was simply too taxing on the system. So Apple was forced to remove those features.

I'm not talking about inviduval experiences I am talking about on the whole. If people just sit down an accept what corporations do, we would all get stuffed over as *Newsflash* they don't care much about anything other than profit.

To play devil's advocate, I would argue that Apple straddles a fine line between wanting its customers to buy new hardware ever so often, and offering a great user experience and continued support so buyers feel like they are getting their money's worth and that their needs are being looked after by the company.

To be honest, I am not sure why these software updates are slowing the iOS devices down. I don't believe that Apple goes out of its way to screw your hardware over by purposely slowing them down, but I do not deny that the older hardware is struggling under the later ios updates (most notably, iPhone 4 under iOS 7 and iPhone 4s under iOS 9).

After all, this user support is what forms a good opinion in the minds of consumers, and predisposes them to continue to upgrade to another Apple device when the time comes. So I don't believe that Apple is deliberately being malicious here, but I have a hard time excusing recent moves like the iPhone 6+ having only 1gb of ram, or their retina iMacs having smaller SSD caches, lacking dedicated graphics cards and sporting slower 5400 rpm hard drives.

At the end of the day, improved device support is an advantage to many, and not a disadvantage to anyone if done properly.

I agree. I wonder if the simplest, most obvious reason is the right one - that Apple simply doesn't have the time and resources to individually optimise iOS for each and every iOS device permutation out there. So if iOS 9 is optimised for the iPhone 6S (running 2gb of ram and A9 processor), this might suggest that it would struggle on any older device unless Apple also bothers to optimise iOS 9 for 1gb of ram and A8, 1gb of ram with A7 and so on.

So the easier alternative would be to simply pull features to reduce the strain on the device (especially if the device lacks the supporting hardware), but I guess that just isn't enough.

And again, I'm sure people will reply to remind me of Android and all, saying that Apple is already doing better than them, but that doesn't mean that Apple can't improve even more.

I agree. That said, Apple seems extremely taxed in recent days. They are expanding to many new platforms at a breakneck pace (adding TV OS, Watch OS in addition to updating iOS and OSX), as well as spearheading many new initiatives (Apple Music, negotiating music / content deals / support for mobile payments / carplay support / healthkit partnerships / enterprise integration etc). This is in addition to any new projects we haven't heard of yet (like the rumoured Apple Car).

Owning the whole stack pays handsomely when does right, but it seems Apple pays the ultimate price in that they essentially feel obligated to replicate every single new software or service that catches on.
 
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oldmacs

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Interesting that on my IPAD 2 IOS 8, safari was a reload/error message bug fest and much more stable on IOS 9. The entire IOS 8 experience was sub-optimal on both my ipads. As you told me in the past and now I'm suggesting the same, those 12 ipads have daft installations.

Would be pretty unusual for 12 iPads to have stuffed up installations of iOS 9, particularly my own which has been through about 5-6 clean installs since then which pretty much eliminates the idea of me having a dodgy install. Far more logical that you had a dodgy install of iOS 8 though, given thats just one iPad. Not to mention that there are plenty of people who find their iOS 9 iPad 2 unusable on this site alone, compared to a minority who claim their devices are faster. Some say their device "is about the same", which is not really equal to the same/ more stable or faster though.

Under iOS 8 I only ever got the "A problem occurred with this web page so it was reloaded" error on Macrumours, and starting with iOS 9, I've had it on around 20 other sites. Drives me crazy, and doesn't happe on my Dad's blistering fast iOS 7.1.2 iPad 2.

But anyway, as you know we will never ever ever ever agree on this one, so I don't think I have anything else to say.
 

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Would be pretty unusual for 12 iPads to have stuffed up installations of iOS 9, particularly my own which has been through about 5-6 clean installs since then which pretty much eliminates the idea of me having a dodgy install. Far more logical that you had a dodgy install of iOS 8 though, given thats just one iPad. Not to mention that there are plenty of people who find their iOS 9 iPad 2 unusable on this site alone, compared to a minority who claim their devices are faster. Some say their device "is about the same", which is not really equal to the same/ more stable or faster though.

Under iOS 8 I only ever got the "A problem occurred with this web page so it was reloaded" error on Macrumours, and starting with iOS 9, I've had it on around 20 other sites. Drives me crazy, and doesn't happe on my Dad's blistering fast iOS 7.1.2 iPad 2.

But anyway, as you know we will never ever ever ever agree on this one, so I don't think I have anything else to say.
I have an iphone 4 running 7.1.2. The only real difference between a 4, 4S and ipad 2 is a single vs dual core cpu and of course the screen real estate. Safari on the iphone 4 doesn't even load MR without crashing. (maybe I should sue apple)
 

oldmacs

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I have an iphone 4 running 7.1.2. The only real difference between a 4, 4S and ipad 2 is a single vs dual core cpu and of course the screen real estate. Safari on the iphone 4 doesn't even load MR without crashing. (maybe I should sue apple)

Oh wow fair test! Not.

Different CPU and GPU. Different Flash storage speeds, different screen resolution to push etc etc. iOS 7.1.2 on an iPhone 4 was a very different (Read worse) experience to an iPad 2 or more fairly an Phone 4S.
 
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Oh wow fair test! Not.

Different CPU and GPU. Different Flash storage speeds, different screen resolution to push etc etc. iOS 7.1.2 on an iPhone 4 was a very different (Read worse) experience to an iPad 2 or more fairly an Phone 4S.
Regardless, safari still shouldn't crash is my point. IOS 7.1.2 hailed as the penultimate for a5 devices, in reality wasn't that great. IOS 8 wasn't apples best work either. IOS 9 is getting there.
 

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iOS is better than android at some and not all points, I see that android has dramatically improved between the last few years by that I mean pure android not the Samsung version. Android isn't still that bad as it was before but it's cons (malware, viruses, play store, etc) are preventing people from using it, some people take the risk. iOS is the easiest to use but android is the king of customization. I still think iPhone is the most amazing phone but with iOS 9 problems, it's just starting to lose its magic.

Android feels very alien compared to using iOS. After using it for a little while I couldn't bear it any longer and returned to iOS. I think that's what will keep people on it more than any other.
 

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Regardless, safari still shouldn't crash is my point. IOS 7.1.2 hailed as the penultimate for a5 devices, in reality wasn't that great. IOS 8 wasn't apples best work either. IOS 9 is getting there.

You keep saying that, but I'm not seeing many people agreeing.. its a mess and thats being polite.
Maybe your install is messed up and thats why you're not seeing issues and others experiences are actually the norm?
 

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Excellent!!! Then vote with your wallet and get an Android phone. There are many great ones on the market.

Android devices have good capabilities but I think iPhone does simple tasks in a better way, all what iOS is missing is customisation. Before commenting pls read the paragraph till the end, I said I like android phones but iPhone is still the best phone out.
 

Michael Goff

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You keep saying that, but I'm not seeing many people agreeing.. its a mess and thats being polite.
Maybe your install is messed up and thats why you're not seeing issues and others experiences are actually the norm?

His install is messed up because things are working right? Really? That's what you're going with?
 

AFEPPL

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Because that experience is contra to the majority of those replying it would appear.. and his default response is you've got a bad install. Well, I've done multiple clean installs, nothing changes. Another user has stated he has 12 devices... so its far from a one off. So the above was more to say well given the numbers i cant see that being the case - and expressed the tongue in check comment. I'm not in a position to judge and I'm not going to make it up, if iOS is in such a mess on a closed eco-system that bad installs for "some" users are pretty common.. what i will say is from the respondents i can see on this board it appears to be a relatively supported view that iOS9 cripples the older devices (both iPad and iPhones) and makes them lets say less than a joy to use.

For the record i have no issues with apple releasing new versions, my issue is apple blocking a return to the shipped version. As a consumer you can not try something and return, to me thats a deliberately obstructive barrier imposed by the software vendor. If as an owner of a device and you WANT to run 9 cool, but i want one that works on my device.
 

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My iPad 2 has been **** since iOS 7. 5 and 6 were the most fluid. 8 and 9 is unusable. Fortunately my son only uses it for YouTube now and even then, it would occasionally stall and has to be rebooted!
 

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His install is messed up because things are working right? Really? That's what you're going with?
If you have an Apple product that works well, you're not using it right.

:rolleyes:

In all seriousness, some people have yet to grasp that this site is full of complainers that post specifically to gripe about Apple and their products. If you extrapolate the complaints of the users on this site to represent the entirety of people that own iOS devices, nobody is having a good experience with their devices. And yet they manage to sell millions? Must be the marketing. Guess we're all just sheep.
 
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Michael Goff

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If you have an Apple product that works well, you're not using it right.

:rolleyes:

In all seriousness, some people have yet to grasp that this site is full of complainers that post specifically to gripe about Apple and their products. If you extrapolate the complaints of the users on this site to represent the entirety of people that own iOS devices, nobody is having a good experience with their devices. And yet they manage to sell millions? Must be the marketing. Guess we're all just sheep.

I don't see why anyone would extrapolate from here. Most people who have an iOS device don't even know this forum exists, let alone come here.
 

Radon87000

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My iPad 2 has been **** since iOS 7. 5 and 6 were the most fluid. 8 and 9 is unusable. Fortunately my son only uses it for YouTube now and even then, it would occasionally stall and has to be rebooted!
It happens the same on my iPad Mini.I use it just for Netflix as its incapable of handling even the most basic tasks like browsing the web thanks to lag
I really would sell it as I already own a Air 2 but I just keep it to see how far Apple rapes it before it's point blank unusable.lulz
 

AFEPPL

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It happens the same on my iPad Mini.I use it just for Netflix as its incapable of handling even the most basic tasks like browsing the web thanks to lag
I really would sell it as I already own a Air 2 but I just keep it to see how far Apple rapes it before it's point blank unusable.lulz

You must have installed it wrong too - have you tried a clean install ;)
Sorry, couldn't help myself..

In all seriousness, most people here are pro-apple and would defend anything it would appear (IMO).
Its actually ok, to be an owner and constructively offer feedback and comments be those -tive or +tive..!
 

Michael Goff

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You must have installed it wrong too - have you tried a clean install ;)
Sorry, couldn't help myself..

In all seriousness, most people here are pro-apple and would defend anything it would appear (IMO).
Its actually ok, to be an owner and constructively offer feedback and comments be those -tive or +tive..!

Offering good feedback is always appreciated by me.

"Apple ruined my iPad" isn't good feedback.
"This is planned Obselence" is not good feedback.
That latest post where Radon talks about Apple "raping" his iPad Mini is not good feedback.

This forum, by and large, does not give good feedback. It gives hyperbolic, emotional, and sometimes whiny, comments that add very little of value to any discussion.

I can start listing problems I have with Apple at the drop of a dime. I was almost late for work one day because I started ranting. But I don't put those on here because it isn't good criticism.
 

Act3

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Offering good feedback is always appreciated by me.

"Apple ruined my iPad" isn't good feedback.
"This is planned Obselence" is not good feedback.
That latest post where Radon talks about Apple "raping" his iPad Mini is not good feedback.

This forum, by and large, does not give good feedback. It gives hyperbolic, emotional, and sometimes whiny, comments that add very little of value to any discussion.

I can start listing problems I have with Apple at the drop of a dime. I was almost late for work one day because I started ranting. But I don't put those on here because it isn't good criticism.

Posting in this forum isn't feedback to Apple.
 

Tubamajuba

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I don't see why anyone would extrapolate from here. Most people who have an iOS device don't even know this forum exists, let alone come here.

Exactly. This is a special place... sometimes in good ways, sometimes in bad ways.

Offering good feedback is always appreciated by me.

"Apple ruined my iPad" isn't good feedback.
"This is planned Obselence" is not good feedback.
That latest post where Radon talks about Apple "raping" his iPad Mini is not good feedback.

This forum, by and large, does not give good feedback. It gives hyperbolic, emotional, and sometimes whiny, comments that add very little of value to any discussion.

I can start listing problems I have with Apple at the drop of a dime. I was almost late for work one day because I started ranting. But I don't put those on here because it isn't good criticism.

Thank you. You've said this better than I've ever been able to. When I'm having an issue with my Apple products, I post a thread asking for help or feedback for the specific issue I'm experiencing. Sometimes I get responses, sometimes I don't. Either way, I stick to the issue at hand, not emotionally pontificate about things that have nothing to do with the issue I'm having. When I need to criticize Apple, I fill out a feedback form on their site that logically and respectfully details the specific thing I'd like them to improve on.

And if I get tired of doing all that? I can always switch to Android. Know your options, and don't let a corporation cloud your emotions.
 

nordique

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I have an iphone 4 running 7.1.2. The only real difference between a 4, 4S and ipad 2 is a single vs dual core cpu and of course the screen real estate. Safari on the iphone 4 doesn't even load MR without crashing. (maybe I should sue apple)

The only real difference is a core? Isn't that the same difference between the iPhone 6s and the iPhone 4 as well? :p

The A4 in the iPhone 4 and A5 in the iPhone 4S had different ARM CPUs (a8 vs a9) and the A5 was in a different league when it came to graphics

The arm cortex a9 chip in the A5 was in many ways a "bridge design" to the swift cores found in the iPhone 5, albeit not as powerful, but some of the evolution swift brought over the cortex a8 can be seen "on their way there" with the a9.

A more accurate comparison in terms of similarities than differences in chips would be the iPhone 4 and the iPhone 3GS, as they used the same GPU and the CPU in the 4 is, essentially, a higher clocked version of the mostly same chip in the 3GS. Despite having 2x the ram of the 3GS, the 4 has to push 4x the pixels with the mostly similar chips and this was noted as one of the reasons back in the day some demanding games of the time and apps ran smoother on the 3GS (4x less pixels to push)

The pixel pushing power of the iPhone 4s and iPad 2 was improved over the 4, so it's not a fair thing to say the "only difference is a core"
 

Radon87000

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Offering good feedback is always appreciated by me.

"Apple ruined my iPad" isn't good feedback.
"This is planned Obselence" is not good feedback.
That latest post where Radon talks about Apple "raping" his iPad Mini is not good feedback.

This forum, by and large, does not give good feedback. It gives hyperbolic, emotional, and sometimes whiny, comments that add very little of value to any discussion.

I can start listing problems I have with Apple at the drop of a dime. I was almost late for work one day because I started ranting. But I don't put those on here because it isn't good criticism.
The device was working fine on iOS 7 which was what I bought it with.It takes 3-5 seconds for typing a word,opening a browser and even a new tab on iOS 9 all of which even those $49 Kindle tablets can do.What will you call this transition which Apple did on this tablet?
 

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The only real difference is a core? Isn't that the same difference between the iPhone 6s and the iPhone 4 as well? :p

The A4 in the iPhone 4 and A5 in the iPhone 4S had different ARM CPUs (a8 vs a9) and the A5 was in a different league when it came to graphics

The arm cortex a9 chip in the A5 was in many ways a "bridge design" to the swift cores found in the iPhone 5, albeit not as powerful, but some of the evolution swift brought over the cortex a8 can be seen "on their way there" with the a9.

A more accurate comparison in terms of similarities than differences in chips would be the iPhone 4 and the iPhone 3GS, as they used the same GPU and the CPU in the 4 is, essentially, a higher clocked version of the mostly same chip in the 3GS. Despite having 2x the ram of the 3GS, the 4 has to push 4x the pixels with the mostly similar chips and this was noted as one of the reasons back in the day some demanding games of the time and apps ran smoother on the 3GS (4x less pixels to push)

The pixel pushing power of the iPhone 4s and iPad 2 was improved over the 4, so it's not a fair thing to say the "only difference is a core"
Haha. Other than a new operating system, 64 vs 32 bits some hardware there is no difference.:D
 

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The device was working fine on iOS 7 which was what I bought it with.It takes 3-5 seconds for typing a word,opening a browser and even a new tab on iOS 9 all of which even those $49 Kindle tablets can do.What will you call this transition which Apple did on this tablet?
Seems like you should cut your losses and buy one of those $49 Kindle tablets. I guarantee that you'll never have an issue with updates ever again.
 
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Radon87000

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Seems like you should cut your losses and buy one of those $49 Kindle tablets. I guarantee that you'll never have an issue with updates ever again.
Thanks for your suggestion but I already own two.I am in multiple ecosystems including Microsoft,Apple and Google which is why I can evaluate all of their devices objectively.It just so happens that I have more invested in Apple than Microsoft and Google combined
 
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