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pika2000

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Good enough does not a Flagship Killer make.
Let’s go back to the OnePlus One. Same idea, flagship killer. OnePlus left its old positioning, Poco takes over. Simple as that, the new flagship killer.

I’m guessing people are just in denial since they have spent more/a lot more for basically the same/less hardware than the Poco. :p Even MKBHD is liking it.

 

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Let’s go back to the OnePlus One. Same idea, flagship killer. OnePlus left its old positioning, Poco takes over. Simple as that, the new flagship killer.

I’m guessing people are just in denial since they have spent more/a lot more for basically the same/less hardware than the Poco. :p Even MKBHD is liking it.


The OPO wasn't a Flagship Killer either. And who cares what MKBHD says?
 

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It’s only a flagship killer if it pulls consumers in who intended to purchase another ‘flagship’ device. It’s likely not going to take any signficant cut from that market. People willing to spend $700-$1000+ want the best. The Poco is good in many areas, but not better than a Galaxy, Note or high end Huawei.

Who it will appeal to is consumers with $300 to spend on their smartphone as it’s comparatively loaded vs. its competition.
 
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Let’s go back to the OnePlus One. Same idea, flagship killer. OnePlus left its old positioning, Poco takes over. Simple as that, the new flagship killer.

I’m guessing people are just in denial since they have spent more/a lot more for basically the same/less hardware than the Poco. :p Even MKBHD is liking it.

I don’t think anyone is in denial of anything. The whole flagship killer thing is a bit of a joke. Sounds like you either own one of these or are rooting for the company to have success. That’s great, but this phone will never replace a flagship. The people it is marketed to are all in poor countries where a Note 9 costs as much or more than they make in a month. For them, this is a hell of a deal. For someone who has disposable income, why would they buy this phone? For $500 or so, you can get a oneplus or a 2017 flagship that will wipe the floor with this phone. It’s a jack of all trades and a master of nothing. If it were here I would probably consider it for my 10 year old, but I don’t think anyone would buy this over a oneplus 6 if they cost the exact amount. Same reason someone buys a Kia instead of a Honda. Budget pricing is the only reason this phone is even being talked about.
 
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I don’t think anyone is in denial of anything. The whole flagship killer thing is a bit of a joke. Sounds like you either own one of these or are rooting for the company to have success. That’s great, but this phone will never replace a flagship. The people it is marketed to are all in poor countries where a Note 9 costs as much or more than they make in a month. For them, this is a hell of a deal. For someone who has disposable income, why would they buy this phone? For $500 or so, you can get a oneplus or a 2017 flagship that will wipe the floor with this phone. It’s a jack of all trades and a master of nothing. If it were here I would probably consider it for my 10 year old, but I don’t think anyone would buy this over a oneplus 6 if they cost the exact amount. Same reason someone buys a Kia instead of a Honda. Budget pricing is the only reason this phone is even being talked about.
Poor countries?
https://www.androidcentral.com/heres-full-list-countries-where-poco-f1-will-be-available
Are you saying countries like Switzerland, Singapore, and UAE to be poor countries?

And they call Apple fans crazy. Look at how you and the others are defending overpriced Android phones.
How are those $500+ phones "wipe the floor" with the Poco F1? Faster processor? More RAM? More battery? Like how? They all run SD845.

And you analogy with cars is false. A Kia doesn't have the same engine as a Honda.
 

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Poor countries?
https://www.androidcentral.com/heres-full-list-countries-where-poco-f1-will-be-available
Are you saying countries like Switzerland, Singapore, and UAE to be poor countries?

And they call Apple fans crazy. Look at how you and the others are defending overpriced Android phones.
How are those $500+ phones "wipe the floor" with the Poco F1? Faster processor? More RAM? More battery? Like how? They all run SD845.

And you analogy with cars is false. A Kia doesn't have the same engine as a Honda.
Don’t talk semantics. This phone is marketed mainly to poor countries like India, period. Let me ask you this. IF the oneplus 6 and the pocophone were the same price, would anyone buy the poco? What does it offer over oneplus besides price?
 

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Don’t talk semantics. This phone is marketed mainly to poor countries like India, period. Let me ask you this. IF the oneplus 6 and the pocophone were the same price, would anyone buy the poco? What does it offer over oneplus besides price?
1000 dollar iphone x may cheap in us but 1000 dollar in other country is luxurious phone . Even me buy old redmi 5 instead of poco. Why even waste money if not playing games and the market of google pay,android pay,apple pay not fully. Today everybody wanted to be own/next E-Wallet system.
 

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I love the idea of the poco, but the flagship killer part is a reach, big time. There are many corners that have been cut. If I could get one with lte bands for $300, I’d pick one up. But dollar for dollar, it’s not a “oneplus killer”, no matter how many times people call it the new oneplus.

Oneplus 6 for $300
Poco for $300


They would sell nothing!
 
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Don’t talk semantics. This phone is marketed mainly to poor countries like India, period. Let me ask you this. IF the oneplus 6 and the pocophone were the same price, would anyone buy the poco? What does it offer over oneplus besides price?
Semantics? You're making a claim that Poco F1 is only for poor people/countries. I gave you the facts. So more like you're just pulling straws and using non-sense analogy (eg cars), and being a douche (by keep equating Poco to poor countries).

And the OnePlus is not selling at $300 right?

OnePlus started the Flagship killer term. Now they have a new challenger.
 
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Let’s go back to the OnePlus One. Same idea, flagship killer. OnePlus left its old positioning, Poco takes over. Simple as that, the new flagship killer.

I’m guessing people are just in denial since they have spent more/a lot more for basically the same/less hardware than the Poco. :p Even MKBHD is liking it.

MKBHD says its a good phone for the price. He never said it was a flagship killer, nor did he say he recommends it over a flagship phone. He pointed out the tradeoffs for your $300 like a plastic back, no wireless charging, no NFC for Android Pay, just average camera pics with no quality HDR, only a 1080p LCD screen, no HD vids in Netflix and Amazon, and a few other things I can't remember now. You do get a 4000mah battery, SD 845 and 6GB of RAM. <- These are the only redeeming qualities. And then you have to deal with Mi UI as their skin, which looked okay, but I would prefer stock Android.
Dealing with a lot of those set backs is not living in denial, and I consider the Poco to have quite a bit less hardware and software features that I would want, regardless of the $300 pricetag.
I would rather get the One+ 6T and pay $500 to get everything I want in a phone. But that's just my opinion.
 

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MKBHD says its a good phone for the price. He never said it was a flagship killer, nor did he say he recommends it over a flagship phone. He pointed out the tradeoffs for your $300 like a plastic back, no wireless charging, no NFC for Android Pay, just average camera pics with no quality HDR, only a 1080p LCD screen, no HD vids in Netflix and Amazon, and a few other things I can't remember now. You do get a 4000mah battery, SD 845 and 6GB of RAM. <- These are the only redeeming qualities. And then you have to deal with Mi UI as their skin, which looked okay, but I would prefer stock Android.
Dealing with a lot of those set backs is not living in denial, and I consider the Poco to have quite a bit less hardware and software features that I would want, regardless of the $300 pricetag.
I would rather get the One+ 6T and pay $500 to get everything I want in a phone. But that's just my opinion.
And who said he did? I only said even him, a guy that is used to flagship only devices most of the time, actually like the Poco F1. That's all.
Oh, your champion OnePlus 6 doesn't have wireless charging either. :p
About the lack of HD Netflix (DRM) support, the OnePlus 5 and 5T didn't have it either out of the box (have to be sent back to service center be updated), but did people even know/care? And many many phones don't have that either. Yet for some reason, suddenly it is being brought up specifically against the Poco F1 as if that's the ultimate dealbreaker.

Let's face it. The Poco F1 is a disruptor. It makes many people uncomfortable. No longer people can claim their status for having an SD845 phone. This is why I love Xiaomi. They are equalizing the price gap of Android flagship phones to a sensible range. :)
 

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Semantics? You're making a claim that Poco F1 is only for poor people/countries. I gave you the facts. So more like you're just pulling straws and using non-sense analogy (eg cars), and being a douche (by keep equating Poco to poor countries).

And the OnePlus is not selling at $300 right?

OnePlus started the Flagship killer term. Now they have a new challenger.
You keep saying that, but it doesn’t add up. The oneplus 3 was $399. The top flagship at the time was the galaxy s7 edge and the pixel xl. The oneplus 3 was much closer to being their equal than the poco is to the current flagship phones. An s7e had a better screen and camera, as well as micro sd card support and ip rating. Otherwise, they were very close. Oxygen os was actually far superior to touchwiz.

Which 2018 flagship phones is the poco neck and neck with? Just because it has a snapdragon 845 and 6gb of ram doesn’t put it on the same level as any flagship.

Someone in America (where I’m from, so that’s what I’m going with) would be far better suited to take the $400 they would need to import a poco and spend it on something else. You can get a brand new Lg V30 for under $400. You can get a used galaxy s8, s8+, oneplus 5, oneplus 5t, iPhone 7+ and many more phones for the price of a poco. All of them are flagship quality phones. I’m not being a hater, I’m just saying that for $400 you can get a lot more phone than the poco offers. If ALL you want is 6gb of ram and an 845 then go for the poco. I would personally get a 5T over it and not look back.
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And who said he did? I only said even him, a guy that is used to flagship only devices most of the time, actually like the Poco F1. That's all.
Oh, your champion OnePlus 6 doesn't have wireless charging either. :p
About the lack of HD Netflix (DRM) support, the OnePlus 5 and 5T didn't have it either out of the box (have to be sent back to service center be updated), but did people even know/care? And many many phones don't have that either. Yet for some reason, suddenly it is being brought up specifically against the Poco F1 as if that's the ultimate dealbreaker.

Let's face it. The Poco F1 is a disruptor. It makes many people uncomfortable. No longer people can claim their status for having an SD845 phone. This is why I love Xiaomi. They are equalizing the price gap of Android flagship phones to a sensible range. :)
The poco is a jack of all trades and a master of nothing. The ONLY thing it is best at is being the cheapest phone with a snapdragon 845 and 6gb of ram. The screen isn’t amoled, the camera isn’t very good, it’s not built very solid, it doesn’t run a version of android that is as smooth as oxygen os, and I don’t believe it’s even usb c. It also lacks nfc, which isn’t an issue to me but I’ve read many complaints about it. Just face it. It’s a cheap entry level phone with the top processor and a good amount of ram. Tell me one REAL flagship it can compete with? You keep going back to it being a flagship killer and such great value. Now days people put a very high priority on camera and a nice oled screen. This phone has neither. I would love to pick one up for my kid, but not because it’s as good as even an s8+, but because it’s cheap and fast.
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MKBHD says its a good phone for the price. He never said it was a flagship killer, nor did he say he recommends it over a flagship phone. He pointed out the tradeoffs for your $300 like a plastic back, no wireless charging, no NFC for Android Pay, just average camera pics with no quality HDR, only a 1080p LCD screen, no HD vids in Netflix and Amazon, and a few other things I can't remember now. You do get a 4000mah battery, SD 845 and 6GB of RAM. <- These are the only redeeming qualities. And then you have to deal with Mi UI as their skin, which looked okay, but I would prefer stock Android.
Dealing with a lot of those set backs is not living in denial, and I consider the Poco to have quite a bit less hardware and software features that I would want, regardless of the $300 pricetag.
I would rather get the One+ 6T and pay $500 to get everything I want in a phone. But that's just my opinion.
This guy is a poco phone apologist. He either has one and is defending it or he is just trying to be a contrarian. Like I said, for $400 usd it is not even a contender. The poco phone is a cheap phone that offers a few high end specs, but the total package is lackluster. If it was a great phone they wouldn’t be giving it away for $300. There’s no shame in admitting it’s a solid budget phone.
 

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MKBHD says its a good phone for the price. He never said it was a flagship killer, nor did he say he recommends it over a flagship phone. He pointed out the tradeoffs for your $300 like a plastic back, no wireless charging, no NFC for Android Pay, just average camera pics with no quality HDR, only a 1080p LCD screen, no HD vids in Netflix and Amazon, and a few other things I can't remember now. You do get a 4000mah battery, SD 845 and 6GB of RAM. <- These are the only redeeming qualities. And then you have to deal with Mi UI as their skin, which looked okay, but I would prefer stock Android.
Dealing with a lot of those set backs is not living in denial, and I consider the Poco to have quite a bit less hardware and software features that I would want, regardless of the $300 pricetag.
I would rather get the One+ 6T and pay $500 to get everything I want in a phone. But that's just my opinion.

For me the tradeoffs are actually quite fine. I feel things like 1440p screens are a waste for phones, OLED isn't a huge deal and I have a tablet and Chromecast Ultra for watching Netflix. I have so far used NFC only to check if my bus ticket is still valid. Glass backs are ******** to begin with so plastic is perfectly fine. I'm not a big photographer and my current phone camera in my OP3 is most likely not much better than what comes in this much newer phone.

If you don't liek MIUI just wait the 3 days to unlock it and install a stock Android based ROM. That's what I would do.

A lot of flagships don't do anything more in everyday use than much cheaper phones, that's why I've stuck with my OP3 for several years now and still have no immediate need to upgrade it. For my uses the Poco would be a pretty good choice but I want a phone smaller than my current one so it's not for me. But it does seem like a better option than buying say a Samsung A series phone or a budget Motorola etc.
 

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Competition is a great thing, especially in mobile phones. Not everyone wants to pay $1000 for a phone.

As nice as the reviews are on the poco, I just think anyone in North America would be a fool to import one for $400. The trade offs in build quality are one thing, but the phone will be extremely hit or miss in terms of network support. I imported a galaxy s7e Exynos a few years ago for the superior battery life, but the trade offs were not worth it. The poco has a lot more trade offs than that. It’s a great phone for the countries it’s meant for, but I don’t think anyone in North America could happily use it in its current form. Xiaomi doesn’t seem phased by that, either.
 

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I think the Poco will be a game changer in India.
They're going to sell so many,the other companies will want to get on board so they'll either make something similar or start reviewing prices.
Either way, Xiaomi are going to extend their marketshare massively, Samsung would hurt the most, their game will have to change in that segment.
 

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I think the Poco will be a game changer in India.
They're going to sell so many,the other companies will want to get on board so they'll either make something similar or start reviewing prices.
Either way, Xiaomi are going to extend their marketshare massively, Samsung would hurt the most, their game will have to change in that segment.
the mui is a big changer actually. It seem nicer then my huawei nova lite 8 update compare to mui 9.6.4 nougot my redmi 5.
 

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I think the Poco will be a game changer in India.
They're going to sell so many,the other companies will want to get on board so they'll either make something similar or start reviewing prices.
Either way, Xiaomi are going to extend their marketshare massively, Samsung would hurt the most, their game will have to change in that segment.
What segment does Samsung need to change in?
 

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I think there have been very recent reports of Samsung putting more focus, and bringing innovative ideas first, to the mid-tier market.
 

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I think the Poco will be a game changer in India.
They're going to sell so many,the other companies will want to get on board so they'll either make something similar or start reviewing prices.
Either way, Xiaomi are going to extend their marketshare massively, Samsung would hurt the most, their game will have to change in that segment.

As an occasional visitor to India, my observation is any phone that is within reasonable price in that country will sell, with decent spec is more attractive to the population, they want device that can make calls, text and take pics is suffice.
Xiaomi nailed that market, with recently added 3 more plants, to 6 plants churning out 2 phones every second.
 
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I have little doubt the phone will sell well in certain markets. But it’s going to appeal to customer who aren’t thinking twice about getting a ‘flagship’ phone. That’s my issue with this entire thread topic—it’s no flagship killer. It’s a ‘midrange phone’ killer, a quality $300 phone. It’s not going to displace ANY high end flagship sales though.
 

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As long as the $300 phone features can have75% close to flag ship level, who cares? Every one knows phone does not do foot message, so far.
 

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For me the tradeoffs are actually quite fine. I feel things like 1440p screens are a waste for phones, OLED isn't a huge deal and I have a tablet and Chromecast Ultra for watching Netflix. I have so far used NFC only to check if my bus ticket is still valid. Glass backs are ******** to begin with so plastic is perfectly fine. I'm not a big photographer and my current phone camera in my OP3 is most likely not much better than what comes in this much newer phone.

If you don't liek MIUI just wait the 3 days to unlock it and install a stock Android based ROM. That's what I would do.

A lot of flagships don't do anything more in everyday use than much cheaper phones, that's why I've stuck with my OP3 for several years now and still have no immediate need to upgrade it. For my uses the Poco would be a pretty good choice but I want a phone smaller than my current one so it's not for me. But it does seem like a better option than buying say a Samsung A series phone or a budget Motorola etc.
Absolutely. I can't argue with that reasoning. I def agree that this is a great phone for many people that don't care about stuff like wireless charging, NFC, quality high end photo's, etc. If you are looking for a sub-$500 phone, for the price and what you get, it's a phone that should be looked at with high consideration.
 
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