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I am getting an iPhone, but I am not paying for it. My birthday is next week and my mother-in-law wants to buy one for herself and one one for me. However, I really am not a cell phone person. I am sure I will offend many posters here, but frankly I find a sizable number of cell users to be quite rude. I haven't gone out to dinner or movie in the past 2 years where someone's phone goes off. I understand that many people just forget to turn off the ringer, but it really ruins the experience. And don't get me started on the moronic bluetooth headphone people. They walk around talking to themselves.

So I am a bit torn. The iPhone looks interesting, and for me the price is right. But the prospect of joining the ranks of people who find their own piece of the world more important than the collective gives me pause.
 
Yes, the T-Mobile Wing (HTC P4350) is obviously perfect....

- Interface is sluggish. Try to open a few apps at once and the thing slows to a crawl. As a multitasking device, this is unacceptable.

- No 3G

- No GPS

- Relatively heavy compared to competitors.

- Screen size is only 240 x 320, not as expansive as competitors like the N95 or iPhone. Screen can be difficult to read in direct sunlight.

- Noticeable delay when switching from portrait to landscape modes. Again, sluggishness is pervasive in the UI.

- Only 40 MB of on board memory. Juggling mSD cards is mandatory if you plan to have any significant media on this thing.

- Video playback begins to drop frames at anything more that 350kbps.

- Only Bluetooth 1.2

- Only 3 days of standby time.

- No standard 3.5 mm headphone jack. WTF.

- And this doesn't include problems inherent to Windows Mobile 6 itself...

Wow yg17, could it be that (gasp) no phone is perfect for everybody? OMG! What the hell is your point with all your bitching? Pointing out a flaw once is informative, but 300 times over and over is just pathetic.

I thought he said he was not going to come back and gloat about our ATT dropped calls until this Friday.

You fibbed to us yg17! :eek:


Oh and as for this:

I know my phone's shortcomings, but they certainly aren't as bad as the iPhone

Oh man did I needed a laugh this morning!!! :p

You have a great T-Mobile-y day now!

Toodles!

XOXXOXOXX
 
Like a prior poster said, a company's main goal is to make money or make their shareholders happy. Those usually go hand in hand.
Just to qualify that. That's a publicly traded company. Private companies have the option catering to the consumer because they love what they do. They don't have to go after the bottom line. A publicly traded company has to by law, at least in the United States. However, Google has some special guidelines in their IPO that protected them from certain practices, so they could still act more like a private company.
 
I've yet to see anything from the multitouch screen that impresses me. On a screen that small, multitouch isn't even useful (like it was on that Microsoft table demo which had a huge screen).


Seriously, you have some issues here... It's time you stop being SUCH an obvious Apple hating, Microsoft shill.
 
I am getting an iPhone, but I am not paying for it. My birthday is next week and my mother-in-law wants to buy one for herself and one one for me. However, I really am not a cell phone person. I am sure I will offend many posters here, but frankly I find a sizable number of cell users to be quite rude. I haven't gone out to dinner or movie in the past 2 years where someone's phone goes off. I understand that many people just forget to turn off the ringer, but it really ruins the experience. And don't get me started on the moronic bluetooth headphone people. They walk around talking to themselves.

So I am a bit torn. The iPhone looks interesting, and for me the price is right. But the prospect of joining the ranks of people who find their own piece of the world more important than the collective gives me pause.

two words for you:

EEEEEEEE
and
BAY

you can use a cardboard cutout made from the box of the iphone and pretend to use that around her to avoid her suspicion. i guarantee she'll never know the difference.
 
Just to qualify that. That's a publicly traded company. Private companies have the option catering to the consumer because they love what they do. They don't have to go after the bottom line. A publicly traded company has to by law, at least in the United States. However, Google has some special guidelines in their IPO that protected them from certain practices, so they could still act more like a private company.


Which is why I love working for a private company. We don't have to answer to shareholders or anything like that.
 
Seriously, you have some issues here... It's time you stop being SUCH an obvious Apple hating, Microsoft shill.

Right, 2 Macs (3 if you count my parents that I made them get) and an iPod, I must be an Apple hating Microsoft shill :rolleyes:

I didn't know not liking everything that has an Apple logo on it makes me an M$ fanboy who hates Apple.
 
I didn't know not liking everything that has an Apple logo on it makes me an M$ fanboy who hates Apple.

This is apple style. :D everything apple is good, everything anybody else is trash.

I personally would stop pointing out apple's flaws, see how much they can keep living in their own world before falling back to OS classic status.
 
Um there's a TON of free WiFi in Manhattan...

My apologies.

http://www.auscillate.com/wireless/manhattan/

it looks like for my neighborhood there are 2 free wireless spots within walking distance...not bad right? 2 for about a million people :cool:
It's funny because I've been there and as you walk in it feels like you are in a Star Wars movie with EVERYBODY having there laptop out.

The basic problem is that there are too many educated well-to-do people in Manhattan and all of them own laptops. I myself own 2.
God help us all.:p
 
sim card...

What I really want to know, is the SIM accessible? I don't think it is. From the sound of it the damn thing may be sealed inside with the battery. The setup process for current AT&T customers said nothing about "pop out your SIM and put it in the iPhone". I believe they are reassigning current AT&T phone numbers to new SIM cards locked deep inside the iPhone. So not only is the iPhone "locked" like every other US phone out there it is physically locked as well. No doubt someone will be able to hack the subsidiary code within a month but a lot of good that will do when to change out your SIM you have to void the warranty. I've seen the photo with some sort of door on top of the iPhone but nobody with any first hand experience has ever said what that is...

Looks like while traveling overseas it'll be my unlocked flip phone and my iPhone becomes an iPod. Separate devices! That is so 2006!:)
 
What I really want to know, is the SIM accessible? I don't think it is. From the sound of it the damn thing may be sealed inside with the battery. The setup process for current AT&T customers said nothing about "pop out your SIM and put it in the iPhone". I believe they are reassigning current AT&T phone numbers to new SIM cards locked deep inside the iPhone. So not only is the iPhone "locked" like every other US phone out there it is physically locked as well. No doubt someone will be able to hack the subsidiary code within a month but a lot of good that will do when to change out your SIM you have to void the warranty. I've seen the photo with some sort of door on top of the iPhone but nobody with any first hand experience has ever said what that is...

Looks like while traveling overseas it'll be my unlocked flip phone and my iPhone becomes an iPod. Separate devices! That is so 2006!:)

Yes, it is accessible. But however, because the iPhone is SIM locked you can't swap out your existing SIM card for a local SIM card ( because they'd be different networks if you go anywhere out of the u.s ). Thats how exclusivity works.
 
Are you sure?

Yes, it is accessible. But however, because the iPhone is SIM locked you can't swap out your existing SIM card for a local SIM card ( because they'd be different networks if you go anywhere out of the u.s ). Thats how exclusivity works.

How do you know? I have not seen any first hand account that says where the sim tray is or if it is accessible. Have you handled the phone and removed the SIM? I'd love for you to say yes or link me to some review, spec, whatever that explains this. I have seen no first hand explanation of that photo with Beck on the screen. All apple the description says is there is a headphone jack and an on/off switch on the top, period. No word on what that Door is.

Personally I don't care if its locked. I love the AT&T network here in SLC and when I travel out of the country I take a phone that can get thrashed or stolen and then easily and cheaply replaced.
 
Thats how exclusivity works.

No, thats how greed works. Other providers have no problem unlocki "exclusive" phones if you tell them you're going overseas or something. For example, I know T-Mobile has always handed out unlock codes for the BlackBerry Pearl, even when it was a T-Mobile exclusive in the US.
 
How do you know? I have not seen any first hand account that says where the sim tray is or if it is accessible. Have you handled the phone and removed the SIM? I'd love for you to say yes or link me to some review, spec, whatever that explains this. I have seen no first hand explanation of that photo with Beck on the screen. All apple the description says is there is a headphone jack and an on/off switch on the top, period. No word on what that Door is.

Personally I don't care if its locked. I love the AT&T network here in SLC and when I travel out of the country I take a phone that can get thrashed or stolen and then easily and cheaply replaced.

I think its already been mentioned a few times that the SIM tray is accessible.

Search google for:
SIM tray iphone

There are plenty of references to confirm for yourself that:
(1) there is a sim tray
(2) is it accessible

( The tray is at the top of the iPhone )
 
Why does it matter? What good is a SIM tray if its locked to AT&T? It might as well not have one and work like CDMA phones
 
You apparentely don't know how handy it is, when in an area without WiFi, to be able to tether your phone to your laptop and access the internet. Another thing apple dropped the ball on :rolleyes:
The AT&T iPhone plan specifically doesn't allow the iPhone to be used as a wireless modem. My guess is that AT&T don't want people using the iPhone purely to get a cheap unlimited data plan. AT&T are the bad guy here, not Apple IMHO.
 
Why does it matter? What good is a SIM tray if its locked to AT&T? It might as well not have one and work like CDMA phones
You realise most phones sold in the USA are locked to their carrier (AT&T ones are) and yet they all still have replacable SIM card slots, right? iPhone is really no different from every other phone in this regard.
 
The AT&T iPhone plan specifically doesn't allow the iPhone to be used as a wireless modem. My guess is that AT&T don't want people using the iPhone purely to get a cheap unlimited data plan. AT&T are the bad guy here, not Apple IMHO.

a guy who co-operate with a bad guy....
 
You realise most phones sold in the USA are locked to their carrier (AT&T ones are) and yet they all still have replacable SIM card slots, right? iPhone is really no different from every other phone in this regard.

I know. Most other phones can be unlocked though, making the SIM slot useful.
 
no disk mode in the beginning probably keeps people from screwing up the phone

The disk mode is what has caused a number of organizations to ban the iPod (you might copy the company secrets onto it and carry it out :eek:). Maybe this is a nod to them (although I doubt it).
 
The disk mode is what has caused a number of organizations to ban the iPod (you might copy the company secrets onto it and carry it out :eek:). Maybe this is a nod to them (although I doubt it).

If you are going down this route there is also the issue with the camera. Plus the iPhone has wireless/bluetooth so may be able to connect to the network and download that way.
 
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