POLL: Is Yosemite UGLY or NOT?

[leman]

I asked simply, could you please do something to encourage better measurement?

I did not ask for simonsi's user base, I did not ask about his funding opportunities, I did not ask about his resources, I did not ask him to perform an investigation.

But you did. If you want a better measurement, you need exactly the things simonsi mentions. Dismissing his answer like you do is very similar to the 'are you still drinking a bottle of whiskey every morning?' questions.

simonsi, the ways in which you attempt to dismiss things make me suspect that you're unreasonably prejudiced towards the software; that you're not prepared to consider the possibility of reduced customer loyalty as a reaction to OS X Yosemite.

I am sure he is prepared to consider the possibility. But so far, there is no reason to do that. Your surveys are flawed on a number of reasons (for instance, timing of your survey etc.). I am much more inclined to believe the poll in this thread, simply because it was made much earlier and also replicates the results of other polls very closely.

 

[simonsi]

I asked simply, could you please do something to encourage better measurement?

I did not ask for simonsi's user base, I did not ask about his funding opportunities, I did not ask about his resources, I did not ask him to perform an investigation.

simonsi, the ways in which you attempt to dismiss things make me suspect that you're unreasonably prejudiced towards the software; that you're not prepared to consider the possibility of reduced customer loyalty as a reaction to OS X Yosemite.

Ah - so resorting to a tad of personal attack? Sorry but to "better measure" the quality of a software release it takes a better viewpoint than we have. No you did not ask those things, that doesn't stop them being relevant and true.

BTW why make a link to the thread in which you are posting????

I'm not "unreasonably biased", however my experience is 4 problem-free installs and one FileVault-specific issue (which required a CS removal and re-install from TM so not trivial, but not the worst problem ever either). My MBP doesn't support Handoff but it does support Continuity. The new functions that are supported by my HW work fine.

It would be equally as bad to claim my experience is typical as it for anyone else, neither party has enough data. Even a forum full of issues is not a valid basis, they are by nature self-selecting.

I'll make the point again, repetition of the result does not make your sample any more valid.

Fortunately Apple will work on the actual issues, they DO have the user base and resources to understand them in the detail necessary.

 

[grahamperrin]

Please

But you did. …

Better measurements of scores for OS X 10.9.x and 10.10 will be welcome.

Anyone who wishes to devalue the MacRumors polls can re-tweet that. The sooner we get better measurements, in public, the better.

… timing of your survey …

None of the three polls have closed.

To avoid some of the the initial rush of negativity, I waited a considerable length of time before beginning the poll for OS X Yosemite. Glancing at star ratings in the Apple Store – worse for 10.10.1 than for 10.10 – I suspect that beginning the poll later would have resulted in an even worse score for Yosemite.

What timing would you suggest?

I am much more inclined to believe the poll in this thread, simply because it was made much earlier and also replicates the results of other polls very closely.

Please, do you have links handy?

Not only an early beginning; this poll closed early.

It's reasonable to assume that there were more users of the initial release (10.10) than of any pre-release. It's reasonable to assume that most users of the initial release could not vote here.

Post-release reactions to Yosemite were (in at least some areas) worse than pre-release reactions.

For 10.10.1, reactions appear to be worse than for the initial release.

Ah - so resorting to a tad of personal attack? …

simonsi, it appeared that your intention was, repeatedly, to do nothing more than mock my attempts to gain useful information. Your "LOL … I'll leave you to it" post was counterproductive and unnecessarily personal.

 

[tkermit]

Better measurements of scores for OS X 10.9.x and 10.10 will be welcome.

Anyone who wishes to devalue the MacRumors polls can re-tweet that.

... wouldn't it make more sense to not retweet a link to the MacRumors poll?

 

[MagnusVonMagnum]

Is it really? :|

So you let others decide whether it's any good or not for you? You only make my point about conformity.

 

[leman]

To avoid some of the the initial rush of negativity, I waited a considerable length of time before beginning the poll for OS X Yosemite. Glancing at star ratings in the Apple Store – worse for 10.10.1 than for 10.10 – I suspect that beginning the poll later would have resulted in an even worse score for Yosemite.

I actually think its the other way around. Earlier polls should be more closer to the correct picture. I.e., the later the poll, the worser the score — people who like Yosemite are more likely to have moved on, while those who have issues with it will probably stick around in the forums.

 

[grahamperrin]

Thoughts, and a plea

NPS

... wouldn't it make more sense to not retweet a link to the MacRumors poll?

Shifting that back to the most relevant topic:

Better measurements of scores will be welcome

In retrospect

… Earlier polls should be more closer to the correct picture. …

Generally, I should place far more value on a poll where votes are based on release-quality software.

None of the votes in this poll were based on release quality, but I don't dismiss the results because some of the votes would have been based on a release candidate.

Beginning the poll too soon after release would have resulted in unreasonably negative results.

A poll beginning a week after the release of 10.10 would have been particularly interesting.

Ideally, a non-finite poll that allows voters to change their votes. But changing here is disallowed (I guess that's a limitation of vBulletin or whatever is used for polls in this forum).

Whilst I don't dismiss the results here, I can't treat them as totally relevant to the current situation – because there was no opportunity to gain meaningful votes from the thousands or millions of additional users who first use of the system was use of a release.

Related

Are voters in these forums more optimistic about Apple products than voters at large? – another open poll.

 

[hologram]

Personally, I don't CARE what anyone else thinks.

Everyone has an opinion, but mine is the only one that counts, at least to me.

And despite all the polls, I'm pretty sure that's true for everyone else here, too, unless you're a professional pollster doing market research for Apple.

 

[Tim Jones]

Control Buttons

I think the appearance of Yosemite is a step in the wrong direction. Why did Apple have to fix things that weren't broken?
How do I change the control buttons in Yosemite to regain the way they looked in previous OSs?

 

[vexorg]

I think the appearance of Yosemite is a step in the wrong direction. Why did Apple have to fix things that weren't broken?
How do I change the control buttons in Yosemite to regain the way they looked in previous OSs?

Same as IOS, I thought IOS6 looked so much nicer and modern than IOS7/8. The whole retro thing should be an easy skin option. One of the decent ms windows features was you could revert back to older UI looks.

 

[Ploki]

Same as IOS, I thought IOS6 looked so much nicer and modern than IOS7/8. The whole retro thing should be an easy skin option. One of the decent ms windows features was you could revert back to older UI looks.

I agree that we should be given some choice, but it takes additional resources to maintain two separate designs throughout new versions. Not to mention iOS 6 was in no way prepared for dynamic screen sizes.

But designs of all products changes over time, you can either roll with it or stay on older versions. If you look at how different Mavericks looks compared to Puma for example.

edit: on the other hand, its functionally the same, just visually different. Microsoft introduced the Ribbon, and for example Avid adopted it for its use in Sibelius 7 - you can either stay at 6 or are forced to use a completely different interface.

 

[0x100]

I think it's weird how we get retina displays that can view stuff in more detail, then Apple removes all the detail. That's odd. I like Mavericks better.