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POLL: Is Yosemite UGLY or NOT?
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There's my up-vote on your post for having a sense of humour
and I'm certain that keeping people happy was amongst someone's intentions when the sticking was performed. A sense of balance, and so on. If I could add a second up-vote for you cropping that screenshot in a balanced way (obscuring the view counts etc.), I would
Equal tickling potential in the apparent complete absence of signatures to that petition – here (again) is the link http://www.change.org/p/tim-cook-de...ption-to-go-back-to-the-old-theme-in-yosemite and the related tweet https://twitter.com/iamapay/status/522912463054831616 not that I'm biased or anything. For as long as my comment is visible there, it should be clear enough that I do see plenty of beauty in 10.10.
The transient "0 supporters" appearance is a bug, incidentally. Now … over the road to real life and grab a cider … those two pubs, two off-licences and five food establishments are all too close …
There's my up-vote on your post for having a sense of humour
and I'm certain that keeping people happy was amongst someone's intentions when the sticking was performed. A sense of balance, and so on. If I could add a second up-vote for you cropping that screenshot in a balanced way (obscuring the view counts etc.), I would Equal tickling potential in the apparent complete absence of signatures to that petition – here (again) is the link http://www.change.org/p/tim-cook-de...ption-to-go-back-to-the-old-theme-in-yosemite and the related tweet https://twitter.com/iamapay/status/522912463054831616
not that I'm biased or anything. For as long as my comment is visible there, it should be clear enough that I do see plenty of beauty in 10.10. The transient "0 supporters" appearance is a bug, incidentally. Now … over the road to real life and grab a cider … those two pubs, two off-licences and five food establishments are all too close …
Why do)es( my eye(s) hurt?
Two dimensional windows/icons that I cannot (easily) change, brightness control that does function (on a {2013} 13.3" MacBook Pro), and what appears to be a 'desktop' limited to 256 colors; do I consider Yosemite ugly? Do I consider Yosemite uglier than ______? \:^2
IMHO (In My Honest Opinion), I would have to say that Yosemite IS UGLIER than my old Apple IIgs. X^6
What happened to Apple's "Human Interface Guidelines"? 3^(
Don't get me started on functionality/portability...
(Is there an Ubuntu Penguin in my future?)
Two dimensional windows/icons that I cannot (easily) change, brightness control that does function (on a {2013} 13.3" MacBook Pro), and what appears to be a 'desktop' limited to 256 colors; do I consider Yosemite ugly? Do I consider Yosemite uglier than ______? \:^2
IMHO (In My Honest Opinion), I would have to say that Yosemite IS UGLIER than my old Apple IIgs. X^6
What happened to Apple's "Human Interface Guidelines"? 3^(
Don't get me started on functionality/portability...
(Is there an Ubuntu Penguin in my future?)
Apple Human Interface Guidelines (HIG), October 2014 edition, versus HTML
Good question. And I wonder whose authority allowed crap like that to be published in what was previously a highly esteemed set of guidelines.
If that Apple person is reading: who are you trying to mislead, and why?
Apple, WTF is going on?
Good question. And I wonder whose authority allowed crap like that to be published in what was previously a highly esteemed set of guidelines.
If that Apple person is reading: who are you trying to mislead, and why?
Apple, WTF is going on?
Definitely I love the UI.
Years ago, when I did not use Mac but Linux, the elementaryOS is my favorite desktop dist among linux dists, it is much close to OS X UI, elegant and beatiful yet not completed, not perfict.
Not the Yosemite completed the elementaryOS, and has done a huge improvement.
Years ago, when I did not use Mac but Linux, the elementaryOS is my favorite desktop dist among linux dists, it is much close to OS X UI, elegant and beatiful yet not completed, not perfict.
Not the Yosemite completed the elementaryOS, and has done a huge improvement.
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The shadows aggravation started with Mountain Lion, I then since used ShadowKiller. Get a little time to get used to the flat windows (and so Yosemite looks even more flat) confusion but in the end a great benefit both in ressource consumption and eye strain if coupled with a window manager like Spectacle or Slate.
Yosemite GUI is too much washed out and bright, turning on Accessibility options for contrast doesn't help. The outlining all UI elements is too much, kinda Beos-ish, or Lego™-ish. The display option at level 0 doesn't give much, it looks more like a white saturation slider than a contrast slider.
New Safari with tabs looks like an old gtk app running on X-Window, I don't understand the dark grey upper line on the active tab. There are inconstancies with the white background icons.
We all know that Apple loves the 'blue' color, but please, all these different shiny blues are now all over, open System Pref panel and witness the blue attack!
There are also blue inconstancies in the new icons that are not for the better.
Also Apple did abuse on red with Yosemite, is iTunes so important that it deserves a red icon that will catch your eye every time the dock pops (can't believe you can stay with the dock on with such blue inconstancies and flashy reds)? I do like the use of red on apps like Calendar and Reminders but not really 'that' red.
I now do hope, not for a switching appearance panel, not even for a dark/night theme, not for better eye candy icons (yes these Yosemite Mail, Safari, folders, etc. are very ugly and not well crafted in my opinion) but for a color hue option for the UI colors especially blues and reds.
I had a conversation with some artist friends one time about why they all prefer Macs.
My friend Keri said that she like the Mac because it is a lot more neutral. It's all greys and muted tones. And the operating system seems to fade into the background and let you get your work done.
That isn't the case anymore!
My friend Keri said that she like the Mac because it is a lot more neutral. It's all greys and muted tones. And the operating system seems to fade into the background and let you get your work done.
That isn't the case anymore!
Something for the weekend: what went wrong with Yosemite
Gallion's screenshot was an outstandingly good example. Compared to all pre-release screenshots found by me in MacRumors and in the apple.com domain, Gallion's shot was possibly the only one that offered a realistic portrayal of what can go wrong with the best intentions of Apple and others.
I waited a week before including it in a review of my reasons for rejecting Yosemite:
Yosemite, at a glance (split-seconds etc.): not as user-friendly as it should be
Gallion's screenshot was an outstandingly good example. Compared to all pre-release screenshots found by me in MacRumors and in the apple.com domain, Gallion's shot was possibly the only one that offered a realistic portrayal of what can go wrong with the best intentions of Apple and others.
I waited a week before including it in a review of my reasons for rejecting Yosemite:
Yosemite, at a glance (split-seconds etc.): not as user-friendly as it should be
Gallion's screenshot was an outstandingly good example. Compared to all pre-release screenshots found by me in MacRumors and in the apple.com domain, Gallion's shot was possibly the only one that offered a realistic portrayal of what can go wrong with the best intentions of Apple and others.
I waited a week before including it in a review of my reasons for rejecting Yosemite:
Yosemite, at a glance (split-seconds etc.): not as user-friendly as it should be
I would blame Firefox and Totalfinder in that particular case. The shades of gray both for the window in the foreground as well as for the window in the background are wrong and non-standard. Nothing much the OS can do about that.
Pas si bon, dégueulasse n'importe ou, bras dessus bras dessous
innit?
A point of interest (tkermit is there already):
Yosemite: apparently much brighter, with less depth through shadow
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On a slightly humorous but twisted note, for a moment: I never imagined that discussing Yosemite would improve my foreign language spelling, but here it is.
It's not dégalas (phonetic, as I heard it years ago); it's dégueulasse. Comme on dit en France, mes amis, et
A point of interest (tkermit is there already):
Yosemite: apparently much brighter, with less depth through shadow
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On a slightly humorous but twisted note, for a moment: I never imagined that discussing Yosemite would improve my foreign language spelling, but here it is.
It's not dégalas (phonetic, as I heard it years ago); it's dégueulasse. Comme on dit en France, mes amis, et
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Indifferent
I'm kind of in the middle. OS X definitely needed a big UI overhaul, as it's barely changed in the past 10 years other than a few adjustments here and there. (The Mail icon had been the exact same since 10.2, the Finder icon the same since 10.3, the menu bar hadn't changed since Leopard, etc.)
I really like the windows and the new close, minimize, and full screen buttons. They just look cleaner and more simple. I like the use of translucency, it looks nice (definitely an improvement over the dark gray backgrounds from Mavericks). Some of the icons I really don't like at all, such as folders, Reminders, and the generic hard disk icon. I feel like the icons are kind of inconsistent...some of them look almost completely flat (e.g. Safari and Notes), while others still look quite 3D (e.g. System Preferences and the hard disk icon).
Overall, though, it's nice. It was time for a change.
I'm kind of in the middle. OS X definitely needed a big UI overhaul, as it's barely changed in the past 10 years other than a few adjustments here and there. (The Mail icon had been the exact same since 10.2, the Finder icon the same since 10.3, the menu bar hadn't changed since Leopard, etc.)
I really like the windows and the new close, minimize, and full screen buttons. They just look cleaner and more simple. I like the use of translucency, it looks nice (definitely an improvement over the dark gray backgrounds from Mavericks). Some of the icons I really don't like at all, such as folders, Reminders, and the generic hard disk icon. I feel like the icons are kind of inconsistent...some of them look almost completely flat (e.g. Safari and Notes), while others still look quite 3D (e.g. System Preferences and the hard disk icon).
Overall, though, it's nice. It was time for a change.
What it did to my option+boot is pretty heinous. I agree that the bootup process needed something prettier but this is NOT prettier. It looks incomplete, like Linux. (And before anyone bitches, I like linux too, but I expect something different from it than I do Mac.)
Sorry baby, don't hate me
Do you mean, incomplete as if Apple went half way towards a completely new operating system, but then backpedaled it to get it out before it was ready?
and that's why Twitter is not entirely a waste of time. I wonder how she would have voted
Do you mean, incomplete as if Apple went half way towards a completely new operating system, but then backpedaled it to get it out before it was ready?
Just updated my mac to yosemite. It is so ****ing ugly, sorry baby mac, its whats inside that counts remember, don't hate me
and that's why Twitter is not entirely a waste of time. I wonder how she would have voted
What do you mean by "young looking" ? Is it the cartoonish look reminds you of kids watching the Cartoon Network or does anything new and different = young because you haven't seen it before?
However, it could be even greater if Apple had implemented theme customizations so that everyone could tweak the looks of Yosemite, without having the need to install 3d party apps.
But in my opinion the default interface/theme looks great, much better than Mavericks which has "depressing" look
Given Mavericks looks closer to Yosemite than say Snow Leopard, I'm not sure how Yosemite is less "depressing" (which implies to me something is wrong with Mavericks look). There is a 3rd party theming system you can install (Flavours, I believe), but it's not free and there's always a chance with 3rd party products of something going wrong. Still, it might be the only real choice for those that can't stand the cartoony Yosemite's looks.
Well, it was about the pre-release. It would be interesting to see an updated poll about the final release and perhaps instead of focusing on "pretty" and "ugly", etc. which is kind of emotional, perhaps a simple selection of something like
1> I like Yosemite's GUI better than ALL prior versions of OS X in most regards.
2> I prefer a past version of OS X's GUI better in most regards.
3> I think OS X is outdated looking period and needs a total overhaul, not just a cartoonish makeover.
4> I don't care or can't make up my mind.
Thus, it's a simpler choice and would reflect the final release. It's hard for some people to separate their feelings for new features over the GUI "look", though and people "get used" to looks as well. The real question is whether people find OS X to be "Good" looking compared to Windows and Linux (the only real other choices at this point). To me, it just seems to have lost its charm, but then it lost its soul without Steve Jobs and maybe that's what's really coming through. It just doesn't feel exciting anymore and Apple's constant refusal to allow users to have the options they want (e.g. no quad-core Mac Mini which makes it a compromise between greatly improved graphics and a much slower overall machine) is starting to rise above the excitement for me.
In other words, I'm tired of compromising to use a diminished experience. I'd still prefer it over Windows, but there's a breaking point where I'd choose simple usability (i.e. I can get the hardware I WANT and play all the games, etc. in one machine) over the other advantages. Yes, malware is worse, etc., but that's ONE issue and Apple seems determined to create multiple issues based out of nothing but greed (i.e. the very idea of cannibalization of one's own other more profitable product undermines user choice and desirability. For example, I don't WANT an all-in-one iMac. I want my own monitor choices. But Apple has always tried to FORCE me to buy an iMac by making the Mac Mini undesirable in either graphics or CPU or both and providing NO OTHER OPTIONS for hardware (the Mac Pro is priced out of the stratosphere for general use and has a pro graphics card that is both overpriced and under performing for general/gaming type uses).
The look isn't all that bad. Yes it looks cheap...
I just wish the thing would work smoothly.
I didn't buy a mac so I could see the pretty rainbow wheel thing a lot.
...but that's what I'm getting since updating to Yosemite.
I just wish the thing would work smoothly.
I didn't buy a mac so I could see the pretty rainbow wheel thing a lot.
...but that's what I'm getting since updating to Yosemite.
With thanks to MagnusVonMagnum:
Three of those four are emotionally charged, provocative.
One of the three provocations may be unintentional. The troublesome expression (I'll let others guess what it is) is one that I see written sometimes by people whose native language is not english.
MagnusVonMagnum, please don't take those observations personally as you might guess from my earlier post, I would like to kick the ball around in a balanced, non-confrontational way with possible forms of wording. From that earlier post:
and for what it's worth, I imagine a very short survey. Short; as few questions as possible.
I feel that one question alone (allowing the user to select just one predefined answer) will be too short.
I rarely touch private messages here (the interface confuses me) but I'll send you contact details with an invitation to chat. Jabber, or whatever is mutually pleasing. No obligation, just a thought.
Also, no rush. The low number of signatures (42) to the petition at change org short URL <http://tinyurl.com/tentenlooksbad> may indicate that the majority of people who prefer the appearance of pre-Yosemite operating systems are happy to vent steam in public in an isolated way; not yet inclined to engage in group action.
That particular petition is somewhat emotionally charged, debatably too narrow in scope. I would have not described the theme of Mavericks a current OS distribution as 'old', and so on. But I'm not here to dissect that petition (I find it easy to think of improvements to other people's work, but terribly difficult to be creative to begin something). I wholeheartedly thank the person who began that petition.
I don't know about you, but I sometimes tire whilst writing in these forums.
It's occasionally tiring, and sometimes it's difficult to restrain myself when people press buttons, but ultimately it's worth it.
With and without emotional charge
Recalling that petition, the comment with my signature comprised two paragraphs: one long and emotive, the other short and sweet. No mention of 'old', no mention of Mavericks or anything earlier:
(I feel that it will be right to give some choice to the customer. One size did not fit all, and so on.)
Three of those four are emotionally charged, provocative.
One of the three provocations may be unintentional. The troublesome expression (I'll let others guess what it is) is one that I see written sometimes by people whose native language is not english.
MagnusVonMagnum, please don't take those observations personally
as you might guess from my earlier post, I would like to kick the ball around in a balanced, non-confrontational way with possible forms of wording. From that earlier post: and for what it's worth, I imagine a very short survey. Short; as few questions as possible.
I feel that one question alone (allowing the user to select just one predefined answer) will be too short.
I rarely touch private messages here (the interface confuses me) but I'll send you contact details with an invitation to chat. Jabber, or whatever is mutually pleasing. No obligation, just a thought.
Also, no rush. The low number of signatures (42) to the petition at change org short URL <http://tinyurl.com/tentenlooksbad> may indicate that the majority of people who prefer the appearance of pre-Yosemite operating systems are happy to vent steam in public in an isolated way; not yet inclined to engage in group action.
That particular petition is somewhat emotionally charged, debatably too narrow in scope. I would have not described the theme of Mavericks a current OS distribution as 'old', and so on. But I'm not here to dissect that petition (I find it easy to think of improvements to other people's work, but terribly difficult to be creative to begin something). I wholeheartedly thank the person who began that petition.
I don't know about you, but I sometimes tire whilst writing in these forums.
It's occasionally tiring, and sometimes it's difficult to restrain myself when people press buttons, but ultimately it's worth it.
With and without emotional charge
Recalling that petition, the comment with my signature comprised two paragraphs: one long and emotive, the other short and sweet. No mention of 'old', no mention of Mavericks or anything earlier:
To Tim Cook, with respect: if it's truly Apple's wish to produce the best not necessarily the most popular then please, do the right thing. Coax the designers and developers to do so before too long. Allow Apple's Mac users to continue to appreciate the best of OS X Yosemite. Thanks.
(I feel that it will be right to give some choice to the customer. One size did not fit all, and so on.)
A roundup, a mini-rant and a question about the *nature* of negative reactions
Given the apparent disregard of Apple for certain things, I positively welcome a disregard for any approach to statistics that was tried, tested and trusted. Since Apple carelessly rode roughshod over respected rules and began pretending that an inferior set of rules is superior, I reckon that abshole765 and others will be perfectly entitled to no longer care about traditional ways of working.
Say goodbye to past education, folks. A somewhat shambolic approach to development warrants a somewhat shambolic response.
It matters less that the traditional approach to statistics 'just worked' for the broadest possible range of statisticians. A new approach has been tried in an area quite unlike statistics. The newness alone of this approach makes the previously working approach to statistics appear so outdated. Much of this 'new' approach is actually not new but what the fork, let's call itmodern new and see what happens. Freshness, more freshness and other things beginning with f matter more. The fashion-fresh school of statistics is what most pseudo-statisticians now want, yes, and it's fork you with a fork-like appearance to the system if you're foolish enough to still require something that was fully functional as recently as last month. That perfectly functional thing is suddenly old, it's ugly, you're stuck in the past, face ain't listening here, fingers in ears fa la la la la and this fresh new approach to statistics is just great because it allows you to do some of what you could previously do on a large device that's now given the interface of a much smaller device. Fan-forking-tastic.
That's generally sarcastic (not targeting any individual) but it seriously reflects a lesson that's learnt from Apple's recent approach to development. Fork what's appropriate and focus instead on fashions and freshness that are almost certain to not stand the test of time. And after the event, present human interface guidelines as if they existed before the forking thing began. Hope that customers and developers are too dizzy, swooning with bouts of vibrancy and flatness, to notice the lack of logic.
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With that out of my system (again!) back to something simpler and more civil:
When I first read that, I misunderstood (sorry, ErikGrim).
Question
Was there ever, before Yosemite, negative reaction of this nature this forcefulness from any number of people in response to an Apple release of an operating system for Mac hardware?
Given the apparent disregard of Apple for certain things, I positively welcome a disregard for any approach to statistics that was tried, tested and trusted. Since Apple carelessly rode roughshod over respected rules and began pretending that an inferior set of rules is superior, I reckon that abshole765 and others will be perfectly entitled to no longer care about traditional ways of working.
Say goodbye to past education, folks. A somewhat shambolic approach to development warrants a somewhat shambolic response.
It matters less that the traditional approach to statistics 'just worked' for the broadest possible range of statisticians. A new approach has been tried in an area quite unlike statistics. The newness alone of this approach makes the previously working approach to statistics appear so outdated. Much of this 'new' approach is actually not new but what the fork, let's call it
That's generally sarcastic (not targeting any individual) but it seriously reflects a lesson that's learnt from Apple's recent approach to development. Fork what's appropriate and focus instead on fashions and freshness that are almost certain to not stand the test of time. And after the event, present human interface guidelines as if they existed before the forking thing began. Hope that customers and developers are too dizzy, swooning with bouts of vibrancy and flatness, to notice the lack of logic.
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With that out of my system (again!) back to something simpler and more civil:
When I first read that, I misunderstood (sorry, ErikGrim).
Question
Was there ever, before Yosemite, negative reaction of this nature this forcefulness from any number of people in response to an Apple release of an operating system for Mac hardware?
a three year old would have drawn better icons
Yes, definitely. At first, I hated everything about the new UI. But I think it was time for a change and those transparancy things aren't that bad. Although, the icons are terrible. Looks like they let a three year old draw them. Too bright. Too colorful. I think itunes is one of the worst, it does not fit with safari and app store anymore.
Yes, definitely. At first, I hated everything about the new UI. But I think it was time for a change and those transparancy things aren't that bad. Although, the icons are terrible. Looks like they let a three year old draw them. Too bright. Too colorful. I think itunes is one of the worst, it does not fit with safari and app store anymore.