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What do you think about OS X 10.10 Yosemite's GUI graphical changes?

  • Yosemite is UGLIER than ALL Prior versions of OS X

    Votes: 55 11.9%
  • Yosemite is UGLIER than SOME prior versions of OS X

    Votes: 40 8.6%
  • Aesthetically, I can't decide so it doesn't really matter to me.

    Votes: 36 7.8%
  • Yosemite is PRETTIER than ALL Prior versions of OS X

    Votes: 236 51.0%
  • Yosemite is PRETTIER than at least MAVERICKS. Full steam ahead!

    Votes: 83 17.9%
  • The GUI isn't really important to me

    Votes: 13 2.8%

  • Total voters
    463
  • Poll closed .

grahamperrin

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No joke

This, lost at the foot of a page three months ago, deserves a repeat:

Meanwhile on your screen




– if those images brighten your day, please vote up the original (not this post). Ta.

Financial advice: invest in anything diazepam-related. Don't delay – buy shares whilst millions of people without accessibility issues are new to Yosemite. Expect Valium sales to skyrocket, with a consequent rise in share prices.

~ You're welcome.​
 

Sasuga

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Nov 18, 2014
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I never thought it would be easier...

I never thought it would be easier for my mother to figure out and understand a Window's machine then a Mac.

For years I've been trying to get my mother into computers. (I'm tired of her calling me up every time she needs something done on the internet, like her banking checked since they charge her two bucks to call them on the phone, etc.)

For years I've told my mother to buy a Mac, because Mac's are easy to understand/use, and they just work. I always figured a Mac would be the best thing for my mother.

I'm a Best Buy Elite member, and Best Buy just did it's Elite Sale. My mother came down to visit me for Thanksgiving and I finally convinced her to get a laptop.

We went to Best Buy and started checking out various machines, I showed her the Mac's, and the interface confused and intimated her. At one point she said to me, "What button, they all look the same?"

I never thought my mother would have an easier time using a Window's Machine.

The new Mac interface intimidated and confused my mother, so we ended up buying her a Window's 8.1 machine instead. Of course, Window's just had another major vulnerability, so I have to make sure she patches up... But she enjoys checking her email, watching shows on Hulu and Crackle, checking the weather, and checking out new cooking recipes.

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When I first turned on my Mac, I was awed by it. I fell in love with the interface. Now I'm personally repulsed by it and only use it because I've got it. If Apple keeps on the road its on, I doubt I'll ever buy another apple product again.
 

Sasuga

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Nov 18, 2014
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I can't say to someone, press the green button to maximize the program. I can't say to someone, press the red button to close it.

They're all grey, and similar shades of gray, with slightly darker shades of gray inside that's hard to tell which is which.

Now, I know which one does what because I've been using my Mac for a while. However, to a new user...

This interface seems like it was made for expert users with no regard to the laymen user.

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I program, occasionally... I have a friend and guru who taught me how to program. The thing is, my guru thinks like a programmer; He has a hard time thinking like a non-programmer.

He'll create a program where the interface is minimal, and simple for him to use. However, his client(s) will often ask him to make it easier to use. Then (he's been fired from projects on occasion for this) he'll say something like, "It is easy to use." or "What's not to understand? It's all right there."... Or something to that effect.

The thing is, he's looking at it as an expert, who understands computers, who understands the program he wrote, and he likes things a certain way.

However, for someone who's new to computers, new to his program, and doesn't understand every line of code that went into the program, the program is confusing.

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I feel like Yosemite is ugly. I don't like how it looks. I've also found it to be confusing for my mother to use. I think those who like Yosemite are experts with Macs. They know what the three buttons on the upper left do. They know what options exist, and they can figure out where to find them and find their way around.

To a new user though, who's afraid to dig around because they think they'll break the machine, and can't tell what the icons mean inside the circles and know that the one on the left doesn't mean to make the program bigger but in fact closes it... the grey circles, the menus... its all confusing for the laymen.

Red, Yellow, Green made sense to a new user. They made sense to everyone... At least, everyone understood that Red meant to close a program and green seemed safe to touch because it was green.

Yosemite is not just ugly because its flat. Its ugly because it lacks color... And if you want less color, you can go into Dark Mode.

Sure, sure... Looks great for those who know what they're doing. What about grandmother's and young children? What about people who've never used a computer before, or rarely have?
 

Traverse

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Mar 11, 2013
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I can't say to someone, press the green button to maximize the program. I can't say to someone, press the red button to close it.

They're all grey, and similar shades of gray, with slightly darker shades of gray inside that's hard to tell which is which.

Er...Settings -> General -> Appliance -> Blue

This gives you the red, yellow, and green colors back. Also, it's the default for new Macs.

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~ You're welcome.​

Serious question for you. While I agree with some of Yosemite's issues and have revert to Mavericks, I am curious as to whether you oppose the "flat" look in general or do you just dislike Apple's implementation?

For example, if Yosemite was a straight recoat of Mavericks (all apps had the same layout and menu bars) but used the lighter gradient and flat buttons, would you mind?

Does the translucency bug you?
 

grahamperrin

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Jun 8, 2007
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Blue appearance makes no sense

… Red, Yellow, Green made sense …

Er...Settings -> General -> Appliance -> Blue



Serious question …

Thanks – detailed answers at https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=20384911#post20384911

Just a few words here: Yosemite blue makes no sense! Expect nearly every user to seek ways to avoid the ugliness of blue folders; and expect many of those users to try switching from blue to graphite.

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435713

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May 19, 2010
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Looks like overall opinion of this poll says it the most beautiful yet. Since I am 99% sure this is a post Jobs design, as in he didn't give input this far out in 2011, I have to use a Jobs quote to a degree.

"The problem with current Apple users.... is they have no taste." Had to change it up a bit but dude would run circles around Ive on OS design, and face facts, Jobs had final say when he was around on everything. As in the final look of OSX through the years was all final stamped by him.

I am ribbing by the way, if you like it "More power to you" Hell, I envy you since I wish I liked the current look.

Say Jobs didn't pass and took a few years off and came back and immediately went back to an industrial design for 10.11, and said Yosemite was ugly I wonder how many would change their tune. Just a thought.
 
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Serban

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Yosemite is ok only on high pixel density...i think Apple build this OSX version around this factor...when we think only at UI
 

hologram

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May 12, 2007
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Does Yosemite look pretty? Well, does it? Does it look pretty? Does it really look pretty? Does it? Does it? Does it?

Yes, it does, yes, it does, yes,it does, yes,it does, yes, it does.

I like it. So do a lot of people.

If you don't like it, that's unfortunate, but according to the poll you're in the minority. You may keep complaining, though.
 
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hologram

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May 12, 2007
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What's your point?

That you're taking this rather personally. You seem pretty upset.

It's just an interface. There are plenty of apps you can use to change it if you don't like it. I've already changed a few things on mine and I like it better. You don't have to like the new look, you just have to deal with it.

Honestly,

Originally Posted by grahamperrin View Post
Does Yosemite look pretty? Well, does it? Does it look pretty? Does it really look pretty? Does it? Does it? Does it?

Makes me imagine you jumping up and down and yelling. No offense intended, I just thought it was a strangely emotional comment.
 

grahamperrin

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Jun 8, 2007
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Humorous, and less humorous

… There are plenty of apps you can use to change it if you don't like it. …

That's nice as a wish, but it can't be realised. No combination of those apps can work around the worst of Yosemite.

One person (or well-known group of people) has succeeded in running Safari 7 in the required way. I did not succeed.

Safari aside, the design is uncomfortably harsh on some viewers' eyes. f.lux is great but apparently not a proper workaround, and so on.

… Makes me imagine you jumping up and down and yelling at everyone on the forum. No offense intended, I just thought it was a strangely emotional comment.

OK … I suspect that the humour in that part of the video (on which I based my earlier sentence) is not to everyone's taste :)

For yelling without humour, consider some of what's on Twitter and elsewhere. http://tinyurl.com/1010uglystick – not recently updated, but amongst those bookmarks – more than a thousand – there's no shortage of strongly expressed distaste (with language that will not be found in reviews on the App Store).

Incidentally, it's not always a good thing to associate oneself with a majority. I suspect that when Yosemite becomes more prevalent than Mavericks, loyalty towards Yosemite will be more dismal than it is already
 

simonsi

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Incidentally, it's not always a good thing to associate oneself with a majority.

Thats a somewhat sinister tone in that comment.

Please take everyone's view as honestly expressed.

I'm sure you REALLY want the interface changed but to try and warn people off putting comments that agree with the contrary position to your own....
 

hologram

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May 12, 2007
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,,,it's not always a good thing to associate oneself with a majority. ...loyalty towards Yosemite will be more dismal than it is already

You're missing the point. It has nothing to do with loyalty or being in the majority. We're discussing an OS, not a political party. That's what I meant when I said you're taking this personally.

There are some things I don't like about Yosemite and some things I hate about Safari, but that's life. I'm just glad to have a computer as elegant and reliable as a Mac, one that the space program in 1969 would probably have paid a billion dollars for, and if I'm not completely happy with a few piddling details, I'll change what I can and work around the others. There's always the PC, if a Mac becomes unbearable.

You have every right to be dissatisfied, but if you're going to hop around and yell, I might just ask you why.:)
 

MagnusVonMagnum

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Jun 18, 2007
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If you don't like it, that's unfortunate, but according to the poll you're in the minority. You may keep complaining, though.
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You're missing the point. It has nothing to do with loyalty or being in the majority. We're discussing an OS, not a political party.

I look at this way. When Jay Leno used to have his "Jay Walking" segment. What percentage of the crowd knew answers to even basic questions about anything? Are these the same majorities that try to conform with everyone else so they fit in or don't get bullied? The majority of people in the US keep voting for the same two crappy parties (independent votes were at an all time low this past election). Throw in the fanatical types and I don't have much faith in majorities. So a majority thinks Yosemite is better looking than Mavericks? Okay.

Watch the movie Divergent. It's pretty good.
 

iososx

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Aug 23, 2014
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My Mac is the tool that I make a very nice income with. A tool, I don't judge on looks. That's a bit irrelevant.

I do like the speed and functionalities provided by my fresh new fully optioned 15" MacBook Pro retina, it came on.

Unlike the last few years of new MBPr's I've purchased, this one is back to Apple's best quality, looking brand new (not heavily scratched) out of the box.
 

grahamperrin

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Jun 8, 2007
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Context

… you're taking this personally. …

I do sometimes take things personally but honestly, this is not one of those things.

… if you're going to hop around and yell, I might just ask you why.:)

:)

Thats a somewhat sinister tone in that comment.

Please take everyone's view as honestly expressed.

I'm sure you REALLY want the interface changed but to try and warn people off putting comments that agree with the contrary position to your own....

Honestly, it wasn't a warning (just an emphasis – the bold typeface); and nothing sinister was intended. That paragraph in full:

… Incidentally, it's not always a good thing to associate oneself with a majority. I suspect that when Yosemite becomes more prevalent than Mavericks, loyalty towards Yosemite will be more dismal than it is already …

I meant this – https://twitter.com/grahamperrin/status/533696885132120066 – and the possibility that the most popular version (measured by majority usage) will be the version that most significantly reduces the likelihood of users recommending the software. NPS is a measure of loyalty.

(Maybe I should have added that link and context earlier – sorry.)
 

simonsi

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I meant this – https://twitter.com/grahamperrin/status/533696885132120066 – and the possibility that the most popular version (measured by majority usage) will be the version that most significantly reduces the likelihood of users recommending the software. NPS is a measure of loyalty.

(Maybe I should have added that link and context earlier – sorry.)

Ah, another link to the same statistically-invalid comparison with another statistically-invalid poll and so on.

For a self-proclaimed non-statistician and non-mathematician you are pretty free with linking to your fatally flawed stats.

It doesn't matter how widely you try and spread that non-information, it doesn't make the basis of it any more robust.
 

grahamperrin

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Jun 8, 2007
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… statistically-invalid comparison with another statistically-invalid poll and so on. …

I should repeat: simonsi, instead of laughing and abandoning the subject, could you please do something to encourage better measurement?
 

simonsi

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I should repeat: simonsi, instead of laughing and abandoning the subject, could you please do something to encourage better measurement?

No, not really, I don't have access to a sufficiently-large, randomly-selected user base with which to work, nor the funding and resources to carry out such an investigation.

The difference is neither do you, but I'm not dressing up a bit of self-selected anecdotal bias as any kind of statistically sound survey.

And don't make the mistake of assuming some "data", of any quality, simply "must" be better than none....
 

grahamperrin

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Why the exaggerated response to a simple question?

It's true that the animation above is exaggerated and cartoon-like, but that's not as exaggerated as simonsi's response to a simple question.

I asked simply, could you please do something to encourage better measurement?

I did not ask for simonsi's user base, I did not ask about his funding opportunities, I did not ask about his resources, I did not ask him to perform an investigation.

… I don't have access to a sufficiently-large, randomly-selected user base with which to work, nor the funding and resources to carry out such an investigation. …

simonsi, the ways in which you attempt to dismiss things make me suspect that you're unreasonably prejudiced towards the software; that you're not prepared to consider the possibility of reduced customer loyalty as a reaction to OS X Yosemite.
 
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