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"No" right back atchya. They have not moved an inch forward when it comes to facilitating mass-adaptation.

Mass-adoption of operating environments typically carries forward in a few, known ways.

One, it happen through incredible budgeting on promotion (like, idk, licensing use of a major rock band’s song on a multi-million-dollar ad campaign to effect said ends), saturation-based distribution, and borderline monopolization of the market by coercive means of cruicial software components being dependent on the operating environment. Microsoft did that, and Google have also done that with their bread-and-butter advertising engine.

Another way is for an everyday apparatus — like hardware — to work their way into the daily lives of most in a slow, steady, organic (or in some commercial cases, coerced) progression. Take, for example, the familiarity of Macintosh, as many folks had their first hands-on experience with a computer through their school’s computer lab during childhood. By the time OS X appeared, Macintosh was 16 years old. That’s an entire generation to come of age around that. (Were I in the next room, I’d be replying here on a 16-year-old patched MacBook Pro — a laptop which has managed to find its way into my daily lives over the span of, well, 16 years.) Adoption of OS X was built upon the organic awareness, adoption, and acceptance of the Macintosh hadware and user experience of Mac OS and Gossamer systems.

And another, third way: rely, if but partly, on the previous by burying the arcane, intimidating aspects of the operating system — the under-the-bonnet stuff — in a manner which is mostly shielded from the end user.

In other words, make it an appliance or embedded system (like a TV or an automobile). Android OS and iOS/iPadOS are two approaches to this basic idea. Respectively, one exists entirely atop Linux and the other atop Darwin/BSD.

In turn, also respectively, the boomerang effect of the development community which made creating Android possible adopts some of that commercial platform’s user-friendly, commercially funded UI/UX components to their operating desktop environment, to make it a more thorough, familiar user experience to appeal to a wider spread of users. (Several Linux flavours strive to do this with their default DE picks and branding.)

Or, alternately, aspects of the descendant UI/UX get pushed back upstream to its ancestor through a kind of reverse-adoption, even if so doing runs in conflict against the parent environment’s core mandate and use-purpose. [See: the iOS’ification of macOS, fka. Mac OS X, post-Snow Leopard, to make using a Mac feel less like using a Mac and more like using an iPhone. Or, if one can imagine this thought exercise: pull a person who was using a Macintosh in 1985 to the year 2010, through the creative licence of a time machine, and sit them in front of a Mac Pro running Snow Leopard, verus putting them in front of a Mac Studio in 2024 running Sequoia.]
 

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Mass-adoption of operating environments typically carries forward in a few, known ways.

One, it happen through incredible budgeting on promotion (like, idk, licensing use of a major rock band’s song on a multi-million-dollar ad campaign to effect said ends), saturation-based distribution, and borderline monopolization of the market by coercive means of cruicial software components being dependent on the operating environment. Microsoft did that, and Google have also done that with their bread-and-butter advertising engine.
I.e., the infinitely deep-pockets mega-corp way. So let's discount that in the case of Linux.
Another way is for an everyday apparatus — like hardware — to work their way into the daily lives of most in a slow, steady, organic (or in some commercial cases, coerced) progression.
Warmer.
Take, for example, the familiarity of Macintosh, as many folks had their first hands-on experience with a computer through their school’s computer lab during childhood.
Back to infinitely deep-pockets mega-corp (with a government sweetheart deal lasting nearly a quarter-century to stuff the larval farms).
And another, third way: rely, if but partly, on the previous by burying the arcane, intimidating aspects of the operating system — the under-the-bonnet stuff — in a manner which is mostly shielded from the end user.

In other words, make it an appliance or embedded system (like a TV or an automobile). Android OS and iOS/iPadOS are two approaches to this basic idea. Respectively, one exists entirely atop Linux and the other atop Darwin/BSD.
Closed-architecture ad-spigots by mega-corps.
Or, alternately, aspects of the descendant UI/UX get pushed back upstream to its ancestor through a kind of reverse-adoption, even if so doing runs in conflict against the parent environment’s core mandate and use-purpose. [See: the iOS’ification of macOS, fka. Mac OS X, post-Snow Leopard, to make using a Mac feel less like using a Mac and more like using an iPhone. Or, if one can imagine this thought exercise: pull a person who was using a Macintosh in 1985 to the year 2010, through the creative licence of a time machine, and sit them in front of a Mac Pro running Snow Leopard, verus putting them in front of a Mac Studio in 2024 running Sequoia.]
You don't need to do any of that.

What Linux needs is a first distro with *all* the finite-set of drivers whose installer is capable of loading into a partition (that it creates itself) on a user's existing machine, includes a multiple-choice bootloader, has GUI desktop functionality of at least Win7 or Mac "cat"-OS level of polish, include a modern browser, and, crucially, will run from and make bootable clones of itself to external storage.

And that's it: once released, the distro will copy itself exponentially in-the-wild.
 

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What Linux needs is a first distro with *all* the finite-set of drivers whose installer is capable of loading into a partition (that it creates itself) on a user's existing machine, includes a multiple-choice bootloader, has GUI desktop functionality of at least Win7 or Mac "cat"-OS level of polish, include a modern browser, and, crucially, will run from and make bootable clones of itself to external storage.

There are several Linux distros that already feature much of what you've described but no OS is going to tie the user's shoelaces for them...

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I.e., the infinitely deep-pockets mega-corp way. So let's discount that in the case of Linux.

Warmer.

Back to infinitely deep-pockets mega-corp (with a government sweetheart deal lasting nearly a quarter-century to stuff the larval farms).

Closed-architecture ad-spigots by mega-corps.

You don't need to do any of that.

What Linux needs is a first distro with *all* the finite-set of drivers whose installer is capable of loading into a partition (that it creates itself) on a user's existing machine, includes a multiple-choice bootloader, has GUI desktop functionality of at least Win7 or Mac "cat"-OS level of polish, include a modern browser, and, crucially, will run from and make bootable clones of itself to external storage.

And that's it: once released, the distro will copy itself exponentially in-the-wild.

::le sigh::


ok. whatever you say.
 
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There are several Linux distros that already feature much of what you've described but no OS is going to tie the user's shoelaces for them.
You don't understand. Only one person needs to tie built-right Linux shoes. After that, you just clone the shoes. E.g., I have a distro that effin' *works* across a wide spectrum of hardware and satisfies 95% of "normie" needs, and I walk to a a couple hundred assorted used Macs and PCs manufactured between 2006 and 2020 or so in my warehouse with a single external SSD boot-drive and slap it on ALL of them without further interminable Terminal goofing around. --The prospect that something like that might actually happen keeps Apple and Microsoft up at night in cold-sweat. Their elaborate hurry-up-to-keep-ahead-of-artificial-obsolescence artifice would crash and burn once a critical mass of people realize that they no longer need new $1500+ hardware to run "new" software.
 
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--The prospect that something like that might actually happen keeps Apple and Microsoft up at night in cold-sweat.

No it does not. The majority of computer users don't even know what Linux is - and that's highly unlikely to change.

Granted, I did live in a country where Linux has been deployed by the government as their preferred OS and its benefits even received a discussion on public TV but that is not the norm on a global level.
 

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Minghold said:
...that something like that might actually happen keeps Apple and Microsoft up at night in cold-sweat.
No it does not. The majority of computer users don't even know what Linux is....
They don't have to. Let me explain: Last week at the metro-area recyclers to pick up machines, I couldn't get any of my favorite laptops (2013-2015 Retina 15.4" i7 MBPs w/HDMI) because they had a bulk-order of 200 machines from a foreign buyer -- and it's like that almost everywhere now: the West in general and the US in particular are being strip-mined of used machines in the "fast-enough" category by dealers in countries with favorable exchange-rates versus the dollar. So anyway, pallets of these things pile up in warehouses overseas, and eventually need drives wiped and new OSes installed upon arrival.

So what OS goes on them? --Whatever the reseller thinks will make them most useful and therefore valuable.
  1. They could put on the default OS (i.e. Command-R during boot for most Macs), or whatever similar procedure sets up Win10home (if a PC drive's recovery partition hasn't been wiped, which it probably has), then wait forever for Cupertino or Redmond to spoonfeed an artificially-obsolesced OS over whatever horrid wireless rate his Lagos import terminal's ISP gateway box possesses, taking likely hours or more per machine, especially if they're going to load them up with any other goodies while the copyright police have their backs turned across the ocean). In the unlikely event option 1 is chosen, the result is a craptacularly slow Catalina/APFS on much of the Mac inventory. Option 1 is what your typical, law-abiding, tax-paying, licensed reseller in the West offers the consumer: a box whose OS possesses an obsolete browser and obsolete ecosystem widgets, and not much else besides a lot of ads and nagging notifications to set up an account so Apple and/or Microsoft can keep track of their ear-tagged herd. Microsoft and especially Apple like it this way, due to contrivance, old machines are prevented from being able to do much.
  2. They could clone a prepped external drive full of goodies. Clone time ranges from under twenty minutes (USB3 SSD to internal SSD) to well over an hour (USB2 to rotational for 150gb of material), but volume cloning is simple if you've made a lot of copies of the master drive. This is probably what goes on with machines arriving in Africa and Asia. (Note that volume installation of the default OS by the default method of phoning the mothership as described in #1 is not possible because it is subject to the bandwidth of the importer's internet service. So, already there is a strong incentive for such a person to explore this method.)
  3. They could throw Open Core Legacy on the Macs, and Tiny11 or somesuch on the PCs, and stuff on the newest, most bloated OSes. Result is slow, buggy machines that runs less older software (much less in the case of Macs) but some newer subscription-model titles. (Unscrupulous sellers on CL and FBM do this to bamboozle the unwary dumb buyer who simply wants "the latest" because that's what the access-media they consult blares at klaxon volume.)
  4. Dual-boot native OS full of goodies and a user-friendly modern Linux distro with Chromium, VLC, GIMP, Kitra, LibreOffice, Wine/Bottles, DOSBox, Steam, etc already installed.
I can tell you right now that #2 is what those importers are doing. #4 is what gives Apple/Microsoft the cold sweats, because, as yet, it's not quite feasible to scale-clone such a master-drive across a dozen disparate hardware models (since most Linux distros don't include proprietary Broadcom and nVidia drivers) -- but we're very close now. When #4 fully arrives, resellers will implement it almost immediately, and buyers will receive machines that, for the first time in over a decade, run operating systems that do not artificially obsolesce on Apple's or Microsoft's timeline. Linux' real-world (as opposed to new machine statistics) percentage of marketshare will hockeystick, and faux-obsolescence will ebb, eating into the bottom lines of high-end hardware manufacturers.
Granted, I did live in a country where Linux has been deployed by the government as their preferred OS and its benefits even received a discussion on public TV but that is not the norm on a global level.
Interesting. Where was this?
 
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Hello,

I have done it again...
I was still missing a Macbook from the Polycarbonate series in my collection.
It has become an Apple MacBook “Core 2 Duo” 2.26 13” (Uni/End 09).

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I happened to see it on Kleinanzeigen.de near a customer of mine for a reasonable price. The seller wanted 80€, I only wanted to give him 40€. It ended up being €50.
The MacBook is basically in good condition, has the famous cracks on the hinge of the screen and has already been upgraded with a Samsung SSD and 8 GB RAM.
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I have only cleaned it inside and out, first reinstalled MacOS 10.13.6 and then installed MacOS 12 via the OCLP. Not a rocket, but runs stable and well after booting up.

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Everything works as it should

Do any of you know a good method or instructions for repairing the cracks?
 
After all these years here I was thinking Linux was some obscure Eurozone chocolate bar I could eat.

:D

My favourite Linux bars are the dark chocolate ones with the almond and orange peel and the milk chocolate ones with the corn flakes…

“…oh wait… Linux SupportRitter Sport… THEY SOUND THE SAME TO ME,” said 95 out of 100 Android phone owners surveyed in a recent consumer study.
 

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I was still missing a Macbook from the Polycarbonate series in my collection.
It has become an Apple MacBook “Core 2 Duo” 2.26 13” (Uni/End 09).

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It greatly helps to live in a metro area, and be "the Mac buyer" to a local recycler near the universities. (I picked up a white '07 for $10 last week. Pop! OS Linux ran like a charm off a 250gb rotational drive in 2gb of DDR2 ram; will make it dual-boot with Lion and a pile of useful 32bit apps like CS6.)
 

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Mission Control, except with a Wood’s lamp effect.
LOL. I can never get a decent shot of that LG vertical display. Yes, it's blue because the red and green LEDs are weak, and yes I intentionally took advantage of that fact by using a blue-tinged background. But it's not like what it shows in pictures. Even if I get close up, the camera adds that glow. You can see it right in the camera app itself. But it's not actually there.

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SMH!
 
LOL. I can never get a decent shot of that LG vertical display. Yes, it's blue because the red and green LEDs are weak, and yes I intentionally took advantage of that fact by using a blue-tinged background. But it's not like what it shows in pictures. Even if I get close up, the camera adds that glow. You can see it right in the camera app itself. But it's not actually there.

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SMH!

My guess is the phone camera is auto white-balancing to the ambient white lights in the room, not the display. Might require a manual WB-override.
 
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