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Tucom

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Most of these systems with 'subwoofers' don't have any form of subwoofer at all.

A subwoofer requires another kind of woofer to act above it (hence the 'subwoofer' name). Most of these 2.1 systems don't have any normal woofers, just 'subwoofers' and a pair of midrange/treble drivers (often a single cone).

The result is that you end up with a standard 'woofer', rather than a subwoofer. The end result is that you can hear exactly where the 'subwoofer' is, and ultimately the 'subwoofer' doesn't go as low as a subwoofer should. The other bi-product of these sorts of designs is that you end up with a huuuuge frequency gap in-between the woofer and satellites. This may not sound like much, but to give you an idea. If you played a tone starting very low, and ending up very high (a frequency sweep), there would be a point where you would hear NO sound at all. Not just 'slightly bad sound', but a huge amount of sound missing alltogether, and sound which is very very important.


The only reason 2.1 systems exist is because people don't listen closely enough. A good pair of 2.0 speakers are massively superior to any 2.1 system you'll find.

For the OP's budget, I'd recommend a pair of Samson Resolv 40As. linky

Resolv40a.jpg


MASSIVELY superior to pretty much every 2.1 system on the market.

Really, take my advise.


Dude, do you have any idea how wrong you are? There are plenty of 2.1 systems, as you say any - I'm talking twin JBL studio monitors paired with their $900 subwoofer - that will blow away, mop the floor, cover in feces plenty of high-end 2.0 systems.

Also, if you're referring to the Bose 2.1 systems, aimed at multimedia and computers, then there is in fact no sound gap, at least in their Companion 3's, which I have owned. I have verified this by going to http://www.realmofexcursion.com and taking and browsing through, finding, and playing sine sweeps that cover any gaps that would lie in a poor 2.1 system.

Now using KRK studio monitors which are quite a step up.


Think before you speak man. I'm quite surprised as your previous posts about Bang & Ofulsen and you owning Bowers and Wilkins speakers lead me to believe you knew plenty to know that there are plenty of exceedingly high quality 2.1 systems out there that are comparable to many high-end floor-standing systems.


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Killyp

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Dude, do you have any idea how wrong you are? There are plenty of 2.1 systems, as you say any - I'm talking twin JBL studio monitors paired with their $900 subwoofer - that will blow away, mop the floor, cover in feces plenty of high-end 2.0 systems.

Also, if you're referring to the Bose 2.1 systems, aimed at multimedia and computers, then there is in fact no sound gap, at least in their Companion 3's, which I have owned. I have verified this by going to http://www.realmofexcursion.com and taking and browsing through, finding, and playing sine sweeps that cover any gaps that would lie in a poor 2.1 system.

Now using KRK studio monitors which are quite a step up.


Think before you speak man. I'm quite surprised as your previous posts about Bang & Ofulsen and you owning Bowers and Wilkins speakers lead me to believe you knew plenty to know that there are plenty of exceedingly high quality 2.1 systems out there that are comparable to many high-end floor-standing systems.


Peace

Oh yes there are plenty of good subwoofer/satellite packages out there. However, when people refer to 2.1 systems, they tend to mean piddly little fist-sized or smaller satellite speakers and subwoofers no bigger than a shoebox.

Sure you can get some really awesome systems out there with a pair of bookshelves/near-fields and a subwoofer. Genelec make some of the best sounding 'sub/sat' packages I've heard, and there are plenty others doing a really impressive job of it.

I don't regard them as 2.1 systems tho. 2.1 systems = a speaker system in which the subwoofer is needed. A good sub/sat package should be able to work fine without the subwoofer. If not, something is seriously wrong.

I use a system with a subwoofer for my computer speakers, a pair of bi-amped 70 watt bookshelf speakers, and an el-cheapo 100 watt Yamaha subwoofer. It sounds very very good considering as it's a computer system, and while I wouldn't want to swap it for my hifi or bookshelf B&W speakers, it's perfectly good for listening to music.

Which KRKs you got? They make some pretty awesome monitors...
 

Tucom

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You do indeed have a very good understanding of audio. One example where you need a subwoofer, yet get sound that many audiophiles would be happy without a floor standing system would be a setup from http://www.orbaudio.com or http://www.roundsound.com.

I am running two KRK ST-6 monitors driven by a Kenwood receiver at the moment. Even running these studio monitors without a sub-par amp (contrast to dedicated two channel amplifiers) these speakers sound amazing. The transparency, imaging, and sound-stage representation is awing.

I would consider the ST passive series as more of their V-series, but with out an amp. The ST passive series easily excels past their RP series.


As a replacement amplifier I'm looking at the Behringer A500: http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17004

Any suggestions?

Killyp, I'm also going to P.M this to you incase the mods consider this post too off topic and decide to delete it.


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toothpaste

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ENOUGH WITH THE SPEAKERS!!!

This thread is about Mac Setups, not about you discussing which systems is better or worse.
 

Kaiser Phoenix

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So, did you buy it while in japan?

I bought it from Amazon JP and then had my friend ship it to me since they wont ship directly outside of Japan. It came out so cheap like 160 pounds including everything and i wont have to pay duties either since its a GIFT.

It has multi-voltage and plays all UK games with no probs and plays online too, awesome.
 

koobcamuk

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Nice setup dude. I have been thinking about grabbing a 20" monitor. Looks huge in that photo.

I highly recommend it. I bought an XBOX 360 and a Samsung 22" Monitor (behind me with 5.1 for the XBOX). I was going to take back the ACD... tried the Samsung and just couldn't do it. It's gorgeous and 20" is a lot (I know the 30" beast is enormous, but c'mon!).

That must of cost you a bomb, very nice setup :)

Thanks :) Was quite expensive - the UK isn't cheap! I traded my MacBook for the PowerBook and had enough left over to get a 250GB HDD and some RAM.

The Mac Mini was an impromptu purchase and is now my main computer. I opened it up last night and went for 2GB RAM and 160GB HDD. The Lacie HDD (250 FW400) I have had for over a year and it's great.

The ACD was mostly paid for by me, with a little bit of help ($100) from my mum as a birthday present.

Bear in mind, I am a Ph.D student so it's student discount all the way! After I finish being a student, I had better earn a lot!
 

koobcamuk

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Can't believe u have what i believe is "Polk Audio" floor standing speakers, on your desk. That's the craziest idea I've seen in the thread so far. LOl!!! :p

:P

There is literally no-where else in this room for them! I have a 5.1 behind me for the xbox and as there's no sub, the sound is great even when on a desk! (My desk is a home made ex-fire door!)
 

Slip

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The UK isn't cheap! I traded my MacBook for the PowerBook and had enough left over to get a 250GB HDD and some RAM.

Bear in mind, I am a Ph.D student so it's student discount all the way! After I finish being a student, I had better earn a lot!

Tell me about it, I hate going on the US store and seeing how much less it is :(

And my aim once Im done with education is to earn enough to pay for all the goodies ;)
That was a joke, Im sure kids and houses come first...
 

lost eden

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That was a joke, Im sure kids and houses come first...
It's a well known fact that lifelong bachelor-dom is the way to go if you want all the gear! You just have to ask yourself one question; will a shiny new Mac call you 'Daddy'?
 
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