USB-C cable didn't help in my case, no DSC through JHL8540 with Nvidia.
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Hi there! I just found out that Apple shows in the XDR tech specs that USB-C ports are USB 2.0
I was sure they are USB 3 (5 or 10 gbps) and work as USB 2.0 only when XDR connected using USB-C cable instead of TB3 (so DSC is activated). But according to Apple spec there's no difference - they always work at USB 2.0 speed.
I was sure they are USB 3 (5 or 10 gbps) and work as USB 2.0 only when XDR connected using USB-C cable instead of TB3 (so DSC is activated). But according to Apple spec there's no difference - they always work at USB 2.0 speed.
Okay, I use USB-C cable (10 gbps) with XDR, so it uses DSC. As we discussed here, in this case only USB 2.0 speed is available because there's no bandwidth for 5 gbps, right?
Correct. If it's not Thunderbolt, then you can only get USB 2.0.
A USB-C cable can be connected to a Thunderbolt port to get 20 Gbps (like Thunderbolt 2 speed). That should still be enough for USB 3.0. If there's no Thunderbolt at the source then it's just USB-C DisplayPort Alt Mode.
So, if I understand correctly, 20 gbps is available only because it still works as TB device even when we use USB-C cable?
Correct. A normal USB-C cable can do Thunderbolt at 20 Gbps same as Thunderbolt 2 cable or passive long Thunderbolt 3 cables. Both the host and the device need to support Thunderbolt.
https://www.chargerlab.com/how-to-select-a-thunderbolt-3-cable-2/
Hi all,
I bought a Pro Display XDR this month (I know there are some that will I should have waited but I've come from an iMac 27" 2013 which needed replacing) – It arrived today and whilst I'm 99% happy with it, I've noticed the glass is about half a millimetre off from left to right from the chassis.
What caught my eye was what looks like a tiny, tiny bit of adhesive sticking out, then running my hands each side one side is slightly proud, one side slightly not. It's barely noticeable but I wondered if anyone else has had this? Top and bottom are flush. Can I live with it? Possibly; I don't intend to be running my hands up the side of it all day, but it surprised me of Apple having never really seen this kind of thing before from them.
I bought a Pro Display XDR this month (I know there are some that will I should have waited but I've come from an iMac 27" 2013 which needed replacing) – It arrived today and whilst I'm 99% happy with it, I've noticed the glass is about half a millimetre off from left to right from the chassis.
What caught my eye was what looks like a tiny, tiny bit of adhesive sticking out, then running my hands each side one side is slightly proud, one side slightly not. It's barely noticeable but I wondered if anyone else has had this? Top and bottom are flush. Can I live with it? Possibly; I don't intend to be running my hands up the side of it all day, but it surprised me of Apple having never really seen this kind of thing before from them.
I suggest that you should at least reserve a check up at local Apples Store, and all you need to do is to carry your new XDR to the store and talk and show the problem to the specialists, and see if they admit that as a manufacturing flaw. I believe you could have it exchanged. Even if you cannot exchange it, you have nothing to lose for such a schedule.
This XDR has been the only upgrade for you in the past decade, so you deserve a perfect screen to look at for the next (probably) 10 years. If you don't try to exchange it now, then you will always keep wondering: "what if"? And that will get you mentally killed eventually. So, just do it!
It should be perfect. Like you, I gave mine a thorough examination. You should take it back to the Apple Store. I have used mine 24/7 since 2019. Two things I wish they implement on the II are larger size and multiple inputs.
Does anyone experience
Mine is perfectly aligned by sides, but 0.5 mm lower than aluminium edge on top (and so 0.5 mm lower on bottom). But no adhesive.
Like another poster suggested, I think you should at minimum, get this checked out at the Apple Store or an authorized service center as soon as possible. These displays are a lot of money, and you should be getting a perfect item out of the box new from Apple.
Mine does not have any adhesive sticking out. I'm not sure I could live with knowing it was assembled wrong or somehow opened and put back together poorly.
Thanks for your replies.
Thanks again!
That's what I was thinking. It took about a month from ordering to arrive from China as I'm in the UK and no Apple Stores seem to have any in stock here, so I guess I'll have to wait another month if I exchange it - better that than a decade+ of 1% bothered by it!
That's interesting to hear. I think I'd have preferred that! If it wasn't for a tiny bit of adhesive poking out I'd probably not have immediately noticed. I was reading about some people getting a similar issue of the glass not being lined up 100% on the new iMacs too, so I guess it could happen to any of these all glass fronted products.
Agreed. I'm going to drop into an Apple Store and speak to someone and take a look at the one they have on display there too.
Thanks again!
When you take the XDR to the Apple Store for the first time, they will have it checked on site with the serial number, confirming and registering the problem, and then you could take it back. When the replacement XDR arrives at the local Apple Store, you will be notified, and you could take the XDR there for the second time, and bring back the new one. Therefore you won't have any gap of usage.
Actually I have experienced exact the same about two years ago. Difference is it only took about 7 days for the new XDR to arrive at my local Apple Store. I'm attaching a picture of a very interesting temporary cardboard rack provided by the store for the on-site screen test as a proof.
BTW, remember to bring the Mickey Mouse face shaped power cable together with the XDR, because they don't have such cable for any other machine.
Points for calling it a Mickey Mouse cable, and picture of the cardboard stand.
You see, they do have a cheaper alternative to the Pro display stand!
The Reality headset announcement is expected shortly and I have some questions for existing XDR owners who have followed reporting on the device.
XDR owners are a different breed of Apple customer.
I haven’t seen market segment data, but I get the sense XDR Pro Display owners are largely professionals.
XDR owners either require this particular display’s quality to get specialty work done or are willing to allocate enough money to their own hardware budget to get one of the highest quality displays available.
Regardless, the XDR (and its infamous stand) are at a price point that causes most to wither.
The Reality headset is rumored to have a price point around $3,000. That is higher than just about any non-pro electronics or computer config I’m aware of.
The price is high enough that it gives me XDR vibes, where if you aren’t into it, you’ll never understand spending that kind of money.
I haven’t seen this written, but I presume the Reality headset will also require or highly benefit from being used in combination with AirPods Pro 2, a recent Apple Watch and a recent iPhone.
Thus, to get the “max” experience with the headset you’re either already in or need to fill in up to another $1500 or so in accessory costs.
(I presume many XDR owners already have this halo of devices, so this isn’t a big lift)
Anyhow, enough of the contextual preamble, on with the questions:
1. Are you planning to buy the Reality headset at first available opportunity?
Why? How does this purchase relate to your buying decision on the XDR (if at all) or are there any similar indications that have you already primed to pick this up?
If your are a maybe right now, what specifically are you looking for the announcement to detail that will get you to a yes?
If you’re a no, or not interested in the headset, I’d still be curious if you agree with ideas I put forth in the preamble comparing the likely sticker shock similarity between the XDR and the Reality.
2. Has anyone been considering the potential of virtual screen(s) inside the Reality headset as a replacement for the XDR display?
I’ve tried to get at the likely PPI of the rumored Sony spec’s displays and what that might feel like as a virtual display and not been able to get a feel for if it could possibly compare to the 218 PPI on the XDR.
I have even less idea of what now such virtual displays might compare in color depth, or possibly potential refresh rates higher than the XDR.
Curious if anyone has looked at this or thought through the potential partial or complete cannibalization the Reality could do to the XDR (or perhaps more easily, the Studio display).
XDR owners are a different breed of Apple customer.
I haven’t seen market segment data, but I get the sense XDR Pro Display owners are largely professionals.
XDR owners either require this particular display’s quality to get specialty work done or are willing to allocate enough money to their own hardware budget to get one of the highest quality displays available.
Regardless, the XDR (and its infamous stand) are at a price point that causes most to wither.
The Reality headset is rumored to have a price point around $3,000. That is higher than just about any non-pro electronics or computer config I’m aware of.
The price is high enough that it gives me XDR vibes, where if you aren’t into it, you’ll never understand spending that kind of money.
I haven’t seen this written, but I presume the Reality headset will also require or highly benefit from being used in combination with AirPods Pro 2, a recent Apple Watch and a recent iPhone.
Thus, to get the “max” experience with the headset you’re either already in or need to fill in up to another $1500 or so in accessory costs.
(I presume many XDR owners already have this halo of devices, so this isn’t a big lift)
Anyhow, enough of the contextual preamble, on with the questions:
1. Are you planning to buy the Reality headset at first available opportunity?
Why? How does this purchase relate to your buying decision on the XDR (if at all) or are there any similar indications that have you already primed to pick this up?
If your are a maybe right now, what specifically are you looking for the announcement to detail that will get you to a yes?
If you’re a no, or not interested in the headset, I’d still be curious if you agree with ideas I put forth in the preamble comparing the likely sticker shock similarity between the XDR and the Reality.
2. Has anyone been considering the potential of virtual screen(s) inside the Reality headset as a replacement for the XDR display?
I’ve tried to get at the likely PPI of the rumored Sony spec’s displays and what that might feel like as a virtual display and not been able to get a feel for if it could possibly compare to the 218 PPI on the XDR.
I have even less idea of what now such virtual displays might compare in color depth, or possibly potential refresh rates higher than the XDR.
Curious if anyone has looked at this or thought through the potential partial or complete cannibalization the Reality could do to the XDR (or perhaps more easily, the Studio display).
I'd say there's a 95% chance I'm going to pick one up. I'm a programmer, and even though the XDR was incredibly expensive and isn't really designed as a programmer's monitor, there is nothing else that comes close in terms of real estate and text clarity. (If my XDR broke today I'd probably replace it with two Studio Displays though, since I don't really use the HDR).
It's also as a developer that I really want to get my hands on a Reality pro. Both to actually create software for it, which looks like it could be a lot of fun, but absolutely for virtual screens.
I'm fairly sure the first gen headset won't be able to beat out an XDR in terms of raw visual quality, but if they can get close, then the pros of never having to worry about glare and having near infinite real-estate and infinitely adjustable ergonomics could be definitely worth it. I think there's a good chance that in 10+ years time the computer monitor could start to be a thing of the past as virtual screens get better and better.
I think as far as refresh rate, the headset will absolutely beat out the XDR - headsets require at least 90 hz to combat motion sickness, and hopefully Apple will give us at least 120 hz. I'm also not concerned about color depth, I think that should be fine, and in many cases better since they don't have to account for ambient / reflected light and color temps.
Absolutely everything hinges on perceived resolution / ppi, although the ppi measurement becomes slightly meaningless when talking about a headset - and it's all about pixel size, inter-pixel spacing, lens quality etc. This is where, for $3k, I'm assuming / hoping Apple is going to blow things out of the water, but it's unlikely to be a completely "retina" experience.
I'm a former XDR owner - replaced it with 3 ASDs which works better for my needs. So maybe I'm not in your exact target group to answer the question. Will do so anyway!
Re headset: The price doesn't scare me, but I'm a bit concerned that it will be too bleeding edge for me. And in that way I'm not sure the XDR is a good comp. What drew me to the XDR was its near perfection in terms of doing exactly what it is designed to do at the ultimate performance level. And it integrates flawlessly in to the Apple ecosystem. In many ways the ASD does this too. In both cases there is a price to pay to get that performance/integration/bullet proof reliability. I need to see that the headset is that type of Apple product vs. one more like the Newton. . .
Re headset: The price doesn't scare me, but I'm a bit concerned that it will be too bleeding edge for me. And in that way I'm not sure the XDR is a good comp. What drew me to the XDR was its near perfection in terms of doing exactly what it is designed to do at the ultimate performance level. And it integrates flawlessly in to the Apple ecosystem. In many ways the ASD does this too. In both cases there is a price to pay to get that performance/integration/bullet proof reliability. I need to see that the headset is that type of Apple product vs. one more like the Newton. . .
If i get one it will be as a toy and a taste of the future. Zero reason to commit to anything more right now.
Let’s be real … first iterations of products usually run out of steam very quickly. If it catches on, it will take a few more iterations to really hit its stride.
Let’s be real … first iterations of products usually run out of steam very quickly. If it catches on, it will take a few more iterations to really hit its stride.
So regarding pros and cons of a reality headset based display.
The Meta Quest 2 res per eye (roughly 2000x2000) has perhaps a quarter of the pixels of the rumored Reality headset (4k x 4k). And the Quest 2's resolution is quite blurry ... unreadable for fine text.
4x the pixels might get you in the ballpark of a non retina display's perceived resolution.
VR in general has a number of things going against it when it comes to image quality besides the resolution per eye.
1. Resolution of each eye is covering a very wide field of view. What's in your direct field of view at any time is a very small fraction of that resolution.
2. Lenses "shape" the output of each eye's display to cover your field of view. This adds distortion and blurriness to pixels that aren't dead ahead. Rather than moving your eyes to read up and down a webpage, you might have to move your head. I imagine doing this all the time could become extremely annoying.
3. Display technologies have to be power conscious and are optimized for high refresh rates and low motion blur, so you typically have poor contrast and color gamut as tradeoffs. Meta Quest 2's display is just 100 nits. Apple's headset is expected to be hugely expensive, so we'll have to see what improvements they've made on this front.
4. Sending the raw data for multiple monitors from an attached Mac would be extremely bandwidth intensive. I can imagine them possibly sending compressed streams of data for every other display but the primary ... or somehow using eye tracking to slow updates for anything you aren't looking at.
All very cutting edge stuff.
I just saw this now, but a day after my post an analyst (@dsccross) supposedly leaked Micro OLED specs for the headset in this tweet:
I'm very curious what specs like this could mean. What else to compare these displays to other than the use of the XDR.