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plokoonpma

macrumors member
Mar 14, 2006
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Panama, Central America
Am I the only one who doesn't want Apple to gain more marketshare?

Not really, but that is not good for Apple. They was gaining share back when they used PPC, very slowly but they was with cheaper machines like the iMac and the eMac that was intended for education, then the mini. If IBM never dropped their interest on the PPC line for Apple, they will still have changed to Intel cause that changed secured Apple more grow.
 

takao

macrumors 68040
Dec 25, 2003
3,827
605
Dornbirn (Austria)
Non stop market share grow, 24.5 Billion in cash, NO debt prove you wrong

let me guess you have never read anything about operating system architecture .. no developer of a OS would ever bind itself so close to a hardware architecture ... ever


and international marketshare of apple is still way below 5 percent .. toshiba is worldwide number 5 with 3.6 percent ... and apple is behind them ...

you know that kinda explains the statistic i have seen that 80% of all OS copies are english copies ... so much for putting all eggs into a single basket ...

i don't care how much money apple has in their bank account i care about what computer i have in my room

that apple has so much money saved and still so much problems with GPu drivers is a disgrace ... what are they doing with that money ? not investing the money in their own company to expand it sure does sound financial stupid to me
 

corinhorn

macrumors 6502a
Apr 27, 2008
713
17
USA
that apple has so much money saved and still so much problems with GPu drivers is a disgrace ... what are they doing with that money ? not investing the money in their own company to expand it sure does sound financial stupid to me
During the Q4 conference call, Steve sure teased the hell out of the fact that he has some ideas on what to do with that money.
 

BaldiMac

macrumors G3
Jan 24, 2008
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... what are they doing with that money ? not investing the money in their own company to expand it sure does sound financial stupid to me

During the Q4 conference call, Steve sure teased the hell out of the fact that he has some ideas on what to do with that money.

Corinhorn - You can't possibly be serious. Who in there right mind could possibly believe that Steve Jobs could have a better idea of what to do with Apple's cash than Takao!? :rolleyes:
 

BenRoethig

macrumors 68030
Jul 17, 2002
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Dubuque, Iowa
Apple chooses exactly what hardware to put in their machines. Microsoft cannot choose which hardware goes into the computers that Windows supports, so Windows has to "support" every piece of crap hardware out there. One of the reasons that Mac OS X sings is because it can only be installed on a limited spread of hardware.

Have you actually botched to look at the hardware that's actually used now or just love to stick to outdated stereotypes? VIA and SIS are effectively out of the chipset game. 99% of the computers on the Market use an Intel, AMD, or Nvidia chipsets and all of those plus the video cards are now based on common families with common drivers. For secondary chips, Mac OS X has native support for a wide verity of wireless, firewire, USB, and even ESATA chipsets. Try digging a little bit and you'll be amazing at how much Apple has to support now.
 

BenRoethig

macrumors 68030
Jul 17, 2002
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Dubuque, Iowa
Non stop market share grow, 24.5 Billion in cash, NO debt prove you wrong

Apple has a history of feast or famine. Those large cash reserves have kept them in business during the hard times.

Am I the only one who doesn't want Apple to gain more marketshare?

As troubling as it is, no. There are many who think of Apple as some sort of elitist club instead of a community. They are also the ones who opposed such moves as the iPod, adding windows and USB 2.0 support to the iPod, the iBook, the Mac Mini, the iTunes store, the switch to intel, boot camp and the iPhone.
 

MacTraveller

macrumors regular
Aug 7, 2008
244
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Psystar? Who gives a damn - buy their products if you want.

I hope that these morons worshipping the criminals at Psystar will go and buy Psystar and just leave as Apple hardware customers. And then I hope that the day after they pay for Psystar clones, the court decision in Apple's favor finally is enforced, followed by an FBI raid shutting down Psystar. Then they cry and whine about lack of support from a fly-by-night company that disappears just as quickly as it appeared.
 

belvdr

macrumors 603
Aug 15, 2005
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I hope that these morons worshipping the criminals at Psystar will go and buy Psystar and just leave as Apple hardware customers. And then I hope that the day after they pay for Psystar clones, the court decision in Apple's favor finally is enforced, followed by an FBI raid shutting down Psystar. Then they cry and whine about lack of support from a fly-by-night company that disappears just as quickly as it appeared.

Thanks for spreading happiness and best wishes to others.
 

NT1440

macrumors Pentium
May 18, 2008
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22,159
Can anyone explain to me how exactly this is "slapping apple around?":confused:
 

pdjudd

macrumors 601
Jun 19, 2007
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65
Plymouth, MN
Can anyone explain to me how exactly this is "slapping apple around?":confused:

Basically Psystar is saying "we don't care what Apple thinks, we are going to do what we want and screw them"

They are being defiant despite the fact that they are supposed to be in negotiations with Apple.
 

plokoonpma

macrumors member
Mar 14, 2006
84
0
Panama, Central America
let me guess you have never read anything about operating system architecture .. no developer of a OS would ever bind itself so close to a hardware architecture ... ever


and international marketshare of apple is still way below 5 percent .. toshiba is worldwide number 5 with 3.6 percent ... and apple is behind them ...

you know that kinda explains the statistic i have seen that 80% of all OS copies are english copies ... so much for putting all eggs into a single basket ...

i don't care how much money apple has in their bank account i care about what computer i have in my room

that apple has so much money saved and still so much problems with GPu drivers is a disgrace ... what are they doing with that money ? not investing the money in their own company to expand it sure does sound financial stupid to me

Bind itself to a platform.... How many years has Microsoft doing so? decades? what about DOS lol
The matter of the %... the fact is that Apple is selling more computers than never before, millions more. Drivers are pretty much on the side of Nvidia. Ati has provided a very good support and at least many updated cards for the MacPro.
 

takao

macrumors 68040
Dec 25, 2003
3,827
605
Dornbirn (Austria)
Bind itself to a platform.... How many years has Microsoft doing so? decades? what about DOS lol

please

the Windows NT Kernel was _designed_ to run on multiple plattforms right from the beginning
X86,PowerPC, Arm, Alpha, Mips, Itanium .. all are compatible by changing the HAL

where were you since 1993 ?
 

editguy

macrumors 6502
Oct 14, 2008
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0
I hope that these morons worshipping the criminals at Psystar will go and buy Psystar and just leave as Apple hardware customers. And then I hope that the day after they pay for Psystar clones, the court decision in Apple's favor finally is enforced, followed by an FBI raid shutting down Psystar. Then they cry and whine about lack of support from a fly-by-night company that disappears just as quickly as it appeared.

I suspect that most of the people that choose to purchase one of these won't care about support. They probably have sufficient computer skills to troubleshoot problems themselves. They either don't have the time, or the inclination, to do a hackintosh themselves. Building PC's is pretty simple; I was taught by an eighth grader in 1997. ;)
 

BenRoethig

macrumors 68030
Jul 17, 2002
2,729
0
Dubuque, Iowa
I hope that these morons worshipping the criminals at Psystar will go and buy Psystar and just leave as Apple hardware customers. And then I hope that the day after they pay for Psystar clones, the court decision in Apple's favor finally is enforced, followed by an FBI raid shutting down Psystar. Then they cry and whine about lack of support from a fly-by-night company that disappears just as quickly as it appeared.

Apple left those customers. You expect everyone to change their life to serve the almighty Apple no matter what? Dumb question of course you do.
 

BenRoethig

macrumors 68030
Jul 17, 2002
2,729
0
Dubuque, Iowa
That large amount of money has grow after Jobs returned, if they had 10 or 15 billions or even at least 1B when Apple had trouble they would used it to get out of it.

Most of it with with great consumer devices like the iPod and iPhone and with computers that until recently just worked. Then again, Apple had it all going for them in '98. The iMac was the hottest thing on the market. That Apple let it get to their head. They started making the computers they wanted instead of those the customers wanted. They got lazy and stopped innovating and pretty soon those large profits that lasted through 2000 when Apple posted a huge net loss for Q1 2001 for the next four years Apple posted minimal profits and losses and managed to limp through until FY 2005 when the iPod really caught on.
 

dukebound85

macrumors Core
Jul 17, 2005
19,170
4,167
5045 feet above sea level
my issue is ive put in a crap load of time getting proficient with osx and to be limited hardware wise is just. not. going. to . happen. sorry

yes i can use windows alright but not near as confident as i am with osx and osx apps...

am i going to put in the time to learn windows as well as osx just so i can have more hardware freedom? no

am i going to make a machine that fits my needs while using an os i am very comfortable using? yes, without a doubt
 

ppc750fx

macrumors 65816
Aug 20, 2008
1,308
4
You've clearly been an Apple fan for a long time. You need to wake up. Apple are ripping you off with average hardware with poor features and very very high prices. For the £1700+ they want for an MBP - I can have a genuine workstation class laptop with a workstation class GPU with a high res screen and twin HDD's. Thin and Shiny doesn't make a good laptop.

I'm about as much of an Apple fan as I am a Microsoft and Sun fan, that is to say that I think they make some good products that work very well for a specific set of tasks.

I understand that for you, twin hard drives, a workstation-class GPU (I presume you mean a Quadro) and a high-res screen are important (or at least worth paying for). For me, they hold absolutely no value. None whatsoever. I simply don't require them in a laptop. What I do need is a reasonably-fast, reliable, portable laptop with an stable, OSS-friendly *nix-based OS that stays the hell out of my way and lets me work. And that's what Apple has thus-far provided me with. That doesn't make me a fanboy -- that makes me someone whose requirements were filled by a product that Apple makes. Thin and shiny doesn't (for me at least) make a good laptop -- something that meets my requirements and does so at a price that I can afford makes for a good laptop. By that standard, Apple makes a good laptop.

I applaud Psystar if, for nothing else, highlighting so very very well just how under-specified and over priced Apple hardware has become. The switch to Intel was just about the best thing they could have done - but it's showing them for what they are. A rip off.

Psystar isn't the miraculous savior of a company that you seem to be pretending they are. They're a couple of brothers with 20+ employees who build generic x86 boxes, add on some software that other people wrote, slap their label on software by the OSX86 project, and sell the boxes to people who want to run the current version of OS X.

And you know what? That's good. It's very good.

There's a niche for that sort of product, and they seem to be pretty damn talented when it comes to filling that niche. Sweet deal.

But it doesn't highlight how overpriced Apple products have become. Well... it does, if your only criteria for buying a computer is the strict component/cost breakdown. For some people, that is the only criteria, and for them, Apple hardware is overpriced. But for many people, that's not the only criteria. Things such as warranty, customer service, support, and the permanence of the company all are taken into account. Apple's got a long history of excellent customer service and support ratings, and is in good financial health. Psystar is a small white-box manufacturer with virtually no track record in the industry that gained their fame for selling another company's OS with their machine. Does that matter to me? Not very much. But it does matter to some folks -- enough that they're willing to pay more money for the peace of mind that they find with the established vendor of their OS.

Basically, this whole argument could be avoided if people accepted one little fact: your requirements for a computer (the requirement's you're willing to pay someone to meet) are not the same as everyone else's.

Some people are willing to pay Apple money because their products meet their requirements and are priced at a price deemed acceptable. Other people are willing to pay Psystar money because their products meet their requirements and are priced at a price deemed acceptable. Neither of these groups are "fanbois". You personally may not understand why the choose to pay their money the company that they do, but just because they find value in something that you don't doesn't mean that they're "brainwashed" or "being ripped off".
 

NT1440

macrumors Pentium
May 18, 2008
15,093
22,159
Basically Psystar is saying "we don't care what Apple thinks, we are going to do what we want and screw them"

They are being defiant despite the fact that they are supposed to be in negotiations with Apple.

Well the thread could just as easily be named "psystar digs themselves deeper" then couldnt it?

It really depends on where you stand on this.
 

BenRoethig

macrumors 68030
Jul 17, 2002
2,729
0
Dubuque, Iowa
I'm about as much of an Apple fan as I am a Microsoft and Sun fan, that is to say that I think they make some good products that work very well for a specific set of tasks.

I understand that for you, twin hard drives, a workstation-class GPU (I presume you mean a Quadro) and a high-res screen are important (or at least worth paying for). For me, they hold absolutely no value. None whatsoever. I simply don't require them in a laptop. What I do need is a reasonably-fast, reliable, portable laptop with an stable, OSS-friendly *nix-based OS that stays the hell out of my way and lets me work. And that's what Apple has thus-far provided me with. That doesn't make me a fanboy -- that makes me someone whose requirements were filled by a product that Apple makes. Thin and shiny doesn't (for me at least) make a good laptop -- something that meets my requirements and does so at a price that I can afford makes for a good laptop. By that standard, Apple makes a good laptop.



Psystar isn't the miraculous savior of a company that you seem to be pretending they are. They're a couple of brothers with 20+ employees who build generic x86 boxes, add on some software that other people wrote, slap their label on software by the OSX86 project, and sell the boxes to people who want to run the current version of OS X.

And you know what? That's good. It's very good.

There's a niche for that sort of product, and they seem to be pretty damn talented when it comes to filling that niche. Sweet deal.

But it doesn't highlight how overpriced Apple products have become. Well... it does, if your only criteria for buying a computer is the strict component/cost breakdown. For some people, that is the only criteria, and for them, Apple hardware is overpriced. But for many people, that's not the only criteria. Things such as warranty, customer service, support, and the permanence of the company all are taken into account. Apple's got a long history of excellent customer service and support ratings, and is in good financial health. Psystar is a small white-box manufacturer with virtually no track record in the industry that gained their fame for selling another company's OS with their machine. Does that matter to me? Not very much. But it does matter to some folks -- enough that they're willing to pay more money for the peace of mind that they find with the established vendor of their OS.

Basically, this whole argument could be avoided if people accepted one little fact: your requirements for a computer (the requirement's you're willing to pay someone to meet) are not the same as everyone else's.

Some people are willing to pay Apple money because their products meet their requirements and are priced at a price deemed acceptable. Other people are willing to pay Psystar money because their products meet their requirements and are priced at a price deemed acceptable. Neither of these groups are "fanbois". You personally may not understand why the choose to pay their money the company that they do, but just because they find value in something that you don't doesn't mean that they're "brainwashed" or "being ripped off".

You're missing a lot of the story. Pystar would have no purpose if Apple had not been dropping things from its lineup. Just a couple of years ago they had competitive entries in entry level computers, larger screen consumer ntoebooks, mid-to-high end desktops, and even an affordable all in one. Since the they've dropped the 14" iBook when they combined the iBook and 12" Powerbook into the Macbook line. They replaced the popular and affordable eMac with the Mini and have basically left that to rot. They've done away with the prosumer favorite $1299-1699 towers in favor of shoehorning everyone into either an all in one or a professional workstation. Apple wants to go places that a lot of its traditional customers either can't or don't wish to go.
 

Ronaldinho10

macrumors newbie
Oct 30, 2008
19
0
The Blu-ray on these comptuers are essentially useless if you can't play with them, why don't these geniuses come up with a way to play the movies in the OS, oh they can't, the OS is not theirs. :rolleyes:
 

NT1440

macrumors Pentium
May 18, 2008
15,093
22,159
You're missing a lot of the story. Pystar would have no purpose if Apple had not been dropping things from its lineup. Just a couple of years ago they had competitive entries in entry level computers, larger screen consumer ntoebooks, mid-to-high end desktops, and even an affordable all in one. Since the they've dropped the 14" iBook when they combined the iBook and 12" Powerbook into the Macbook line. They replaced the popular and affordable eMac with the Mini and have basically left that to rot. They've done away with the prosumer favorite $1299-1699 towers in favor of shoehorning everyone into either an all in one or a professional workstation.

So they can do it because using twisted logic its justified?

That sounds just like Mccains "I wouldnt have had to go negative if you had gone to town hall debates with me" line.
 
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