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jamesrick80

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Sounds to me that the iPad Pro 12.9' will be the one for you, if you're invested in the Apple ecosystem.

It's more powerful than the 9.7' and will last a lot longer with double the RAM.

A larger canvas is also a good thing!
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Not for long! It's almost guaranteed that the next 9.7' iPad will have 4GB.
Hopefully by then the 12.9 inch iPad pro 2 gets 6 GB ram...the Samsung Galaxy Note 6 will have 6 GB ram when it releases late Fall....
 

Kal-037

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Or the 9.7 Pro. Like I said most will not even see a difference. It is mostly in your head!
I use both iPP with 4GB and one with 2GB and there is defintely a noticable difference when it comes to tabs and app refreshing and the amount of tabs open at one time. The 4GB makes it run super smooth with no constant refresh or speed hiccups when tons of Apps are open at the same time. The 2GB shows some slowdown... but mostly constant app refreshing with just 4-6 tabs open.


Kal.
 

maratus

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I use both iPP with 4GB and one with 2GB and there is defintely a noticable difference when it comes to tabs and app refreshing and the amount of tabs open at one time. The 4GB makes it run super smooth with no constant refresh or speed hiccups when tons of Apps are open at the same time. The 2GB shows some slowdown... but mostly constant app refreshing with just 4-6 tabs open.


Kal.
How dare you to say that referencing your own real-world experience, everyone (at least who have read this thread) by now knows that 4GB of RAM is completely redundant because none of the applications ever require more than 2GB and iOS handles RAM management in magnificent ultra efficient wonderful amazing way (and most importantly because Apple didn't put it in the iPad they just bought) :D
 
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Kal-037

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How dare you to say that referencing your own real-world experience, everyone (at least who have read this thread) by now knows that 4GB of RAM is completely redundant because none of the applications ever require more than 2GB and iOS handles RAM management in magnificent ultra efficient wonderful amazing way (and most importantly because Apple didn't put it in the iPad they just bought) :D
I laughed at this. +1 for you. :) lol... Also I don't think that owners of the 9.7" iPP should feel cheated or angry at Apple. Yeah Apple could have added 4GB... but the 2GB for the smaller iPad is nothing to scoff at, as it runs beyond fast and app refresh is not a huge deal killer, and it takes having many apps open for you to really notice any kind of slow down. Look at all the features and bells and whistles Apple DID put into it. :)


Kal.
 

fertilized-egg

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No, because the performance increase is only 15% or so.

Planned obsolescence... but hey that's just me.

I'm assuming by "15%" you're referring to the multicore benchmark of Geekbench but in real use the single core performance and the NAND speed are really the ones that make a tangible difference, and the new Pro is much faster than the Air 2 in those areas. Then there's the faster GPU which you curiously haven't even mentioned.

As an iPad Air 2 owner, I really wish the Pro was only 15% faster so that I wouldn't feel the temptation but unfortunately it does feel significantly faster and the gap will get bigger as iOS gets updated. :-(
 

Newtons Apple

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I use both iPP with 4GB and one with 2GB and there is defintely a noticable difference when it comes to tabs and app refreshing and the amount of tabs open at one time. The 4GB makes it run super smooth with no constant refresh or speed hiccups when tons of Apps are open at the same time. The 2GB shows some slowdown... but mostly constant app refreshing with just 4-6 tabs open.


Kal.

I notice no difference with 2-3 tabs open. Apple has made the choice for us, it is done no matter if we like it or not. I wish they would have put 12gb RAM in both but this is what we got.

I also have both sizes of the iPad Pro and find little is any difference in my use. People who do, need to move to the 9.7 model.
 

SuperKerem

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Oct 29, 2012
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He's just being tight.

He'd rather buy the inferior tablet to save a hundred quid!

Better screen, speakers, CPU/GPU & more storage is worth the price difference ...
Better screen? No... the screen itself isn't any better. A 'True Tone' software feature gimmick? Please.

Speakers? Well, I personally had no problem with the Air 2 speakers. Just because something is 'better' even though you won't really care except the one or two times you max out the volume etc, means it isn't actually 'better for the price'.

15% better CPU? Ok great...

More storage? If you have enough money to buy a 256GB iPad, I don't think you would even think about the older model.

Doesn't seem to be worth ANY price difference! But yeah, you enjoy that outdated 2GB RAM 'Pro' iPad.
 

thunng8

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No, because the performance increase is only 15% or so.

Planned obsolescence... but hey that's just me.
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Serious or sarcastic?

Either way, one thing that it is, for sure, is redundant.

Performance difference in the majority of applications is closer to 70% which is substantial l
I'm assuming by "15%" you're referring to the multicore benchmark of Geekbench but in real use the single core performance and the NAND speed are really the ones that make a tangible difference, and the new Pro is much faster than the Air 2 in those areas. Then there's the faster GPU which you curiously haven't even mentioned.

As an iPad Air 2 owner, I really wish the Pro was only 15% faster so that I wouldn't feel the temptation but unfortunately it does feel significantly faster and the gap will get bigger as iOS gets updated. :-(

Yeah, the difference is more like 70% for most cases. In fact, in Apple's comparison page, they state Air 2 is 1.4x faster than Air and ipad Pro is 2.4x faster than the air.
 
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thunng8

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Better screen? No... the screen itself isn't any better. A 'True Tone' software feature gimmick? Please.

Speakers? Well, I personally had no problem with the Air 2 speakers. Just because something is 'better' even though you won't really care except the one or two times you max out the volume etc, means it isn't actually 'better for the price'.

15% better CPU? Ok great...

More storage? If you have enough money to buy a 256GB iPad, I don't think you would even think about the older model.

Doesn't seem to be worth ANY price difference! But yeah, you enjoy that outdated 2GB RAM 'Pro' iPad.

umm ... what a load of FUD. Screen is better in many ways. 40% less reflective and 25% more colour saturation and 25% brighter.

CPU is not 15% faster, more like 70% faster. Not to mention compatibility with new accesories.
 

macworksgreat

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I don't see any reason why available RAM should be different for different capacities. They are unrelated features. Why not have different RAM options for different colours too?
Amen! I ordered a "space grey" 9.7 Pro so that means I ought to get more "space" and ram! Right? Right? :)
 
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ShaunAFC3

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There isn't A SINGLE iPad app that require more than 1 Gb in the whole app Store. NOT A SINGLE ONE.

I second that!!

Tere are heavy and graphic intensive games like the Grand Theft Auto games, Gangster Vegas, Asphalt 8, Modern Combat 5: Blackout, Dead Trigger 2, Assassin's Creed and all so some apps like Pinnacle Studio, Photoshop Touch, Pixelmator, Procreate and more are pushing the A8X chip in the iPad Air 2 to it's limits and those apps that require more then 1GB of RAM sometimes!

Maybe you did not think there was no app or game that is not putting stress on the A8X chip in the iPad Air 2 or requires more then 1GB of RAM at the moment yet but there is as I mentioned above and I thought I just correct you on this..
 
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Aluminum213

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People really don't get it, no app requires 4GB of RAM, but in terms of actual usage it makes a giant difference when apps don't refresh when loading them and one can have a superior safari experience with tabs no refreshing


Got to love people going to bat for Apple for saving pennies on the 9.7" Pro by giving it 2GB RAM
 

masotime

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Jun 24, 2012
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Apple gave the iPad Air 2 2gb of RAM 1.5 years ago. The iPad since the iPad 3 was stuck with 1Gb for 2 years and 7 months. I think it's a reasonable guess that the iPad Air 4 will be launched in a year's time and have 4GB of RAM.
 

AlexJoda

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Apr 8, 2015
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Apple gave the iPad Air 2 2gb of RAM 1.5 years ago. The iPad since the iPad 3 was stuck with 1Gb for 2 years and 7 months. I think it's a reasonable guess that the iPad Air 4 will be launched in a year's time and have 4GB of RAM.

I don't think that there will we a iPad Air 4 any more. A iPad Pro without Pencil and Smart Keyboard is nothing different....
 

moosington

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Mar 16, 2016
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People really don't get it, no app requires 4GB of RAM, but in terms of actual usage it makes a giant difference when apps don't refresh when loading them and one can have a superior safari experience with tabs no refreshing


Got to love people going to bat for Apple for saving pennies on the 9.7" Pro by giving it 2GB RAM

Even app refreshes are lightning fast on this thing. Would I like having 4GB? Sure. Does it make much of a difference in reality? Probably not. I love my 9.7 pro, no performance complaints what so ever.

2GB of RAM is probably more of a statement than its here to stay for a while. We may not get another iPad for 18 months again, and that could keep the 2/4GB for 9.7/12.9" as well. The 12.9" needs more RAM for significantly more pixels, otherwise it would perform worse than the 9.7".

The point is right now for almost everything you can throw at it, 2GB works very well.
 

tivoboy

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what I REALLY want to know is why my 128 GB only has 114GB of storage available. certainly this can't be normal, what would someone with a 16GB ipad air do, or a 32GB does it only come with 18GB of available user storage? What is using up 14 GB of the flash memory at boot?
 

AttilaTheHun

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I'm disappointed in there being no RAM update, but I guess the 12.9 display needs it more ;). I still feel like the A9X will offer a big enough performance boost over the Air 2 when using CPU-intensive apps. Looking forward to the additional speakers, pencil support, and the 4K camera may prove to come in handy as a backup from time to time.

That said, I've had no real performance issues with my Air 2, and I agree that it's the better value right now (price wise). The 12.9 is also a better deal, but the size is too much for me. The iPad does not replace my MacBook or desktop, and there will still be lots of times where I'll need to be putting both an iPad and a MacBook in a backpack. Even at home in bed, where I use my iPad a lot, I don't want that big of a screen or the extra weight.
Well said
 
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rui no onna

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what I REALLY want to know is why my 128 GB only has 114GB of storage available. certainly this can't be normal, what would someone with a 16GB ipad air do, or a 32GB does it only come with 18GB of available user storage? What is using up 14 GB of the flash memory at boot?
Per storage vendors convention:

128GB = 128,000,000,000 bytes ~= 119GiB

NAND is actually 128GiB but the 7% is used as spare area else, it'll slow to a crawl when filled. That said, I've compared available storage between different models before and it seems to me the OS/cache partition tends to be bigger (GB-wise) on higher capacity models.

Edit: Found the discussion on available storage for iPhone.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/iphone-6-64gb-55gb-of-usable-space.1796084/
 
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Kermit262

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Speakers? Well, I personally had no problem with the Air 2 speakers. Just because something is 'better' even though you won't really care except the one or two times you max out the volume etc, means it isn't actually 'better for the price'.

I wonder if you have actually heard the speakers on the 9.7 Pro. My wife and I did a comparison with the iPad Air2 at Best Buy yesterday, running identical games and movie trailers. The speakers on the Pro are significantly better than the Air 2, and for us justify purchasing the Pro. This is a feature we will use many, many times over the life of the iPad, not just once or twice. And the ability to use a lightweight keyboard is something we are also looking forward to.
 
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