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Really, Apple?!
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We can agree and disagree on many things about the nMP and the cMP, but watever the case, APPLE's is guided by Vacumm Cleaner's Salesmen, people w/o real enthusiams on theisrPC platform, but on profit with little work (they work).
There is no excuse on not providing contious Updates to the nMP (also other lines as the Mac Mini), alsto there is no excure there is no an Thunderbolt (or DP-only) Cinema Display, only biased management.
There is no excuse on not providing contious Updates to the nMP (also other lines as the Mac Mini), alsto there is no excure there is no an Thunderbolt (or DP-only) Cinema Display, only biased management.
Funny! Avoiding the point?. The original topic was why Apple does not give any updated news about the nMP, not about them providing for the professional community.
Yes, and releasing a product on an annual cycle, even with no news ahead of time, would manage to not show any cards and show commitment to the platform.
Also, I believe they pre-announced the nMP, what, 6months ahead of availability with Phil (proverbially grabbing his crotch) declaring 'cant innovate, my ass" declaration. So apparently they're not above it when it's for media stroke off purposes, despite giving the competition 6 month advance notice.
I did say rarely. They do on occasion might mention a time frame or some other future plans. But they probably don't as a general rule.
Hogwash = I don't know how to respond to this legitimate reason so I will throw out a derogatory term rather than a I don't know for sure.
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So youre wrong on the Mac Pro. And let me rub in the other point. They can release something regularly without preannouncing it, and show support. But instead, with the Mac Pro, they repeatedly abandon it without updates for 3+ years at a time. That's not secrecy, that's incompetence.
To me a slight speed bump like they did in 2012 is really not benefit to anyone. Likewise just to show they are still making the product.
Repeatedly abandoning it? Abandoning is discontinuing it forever. Don't let semantics get in the way of the discussion.
I'm glad you represent every professional. Yea, considering the huge number of professionals abandoned by Aperture, outright, running from final cut pro, and refusing to live with apple's 3-6 year gaps in updates of professional equipment, abandonment is exactly what they feel has happened.
There really is no other way to explain it than this. Apple seems to only care about being chic these days. And that's something they do very well. And people saying "just use an iMac" really don't get it.
re: "believe me, not your lying eyes"
So, you admit to telling an obvious lie and demanding that the person(s) hearing/reading it ignore the evidence of their eyes, obvious facts, and common sense and just believe you because you "say so"? Glad you admitted to it, quite a relief really.
I have never seen the phrase used in any way other than to describe someone who is trying to promote a falsehood.
So, you admit to telling an obvious lie and demanding that the person(s) hearing/reading it ignore the evidence of their eyes, obvious facts, and common sense and just believe you because you "say so"? Glad you admitted to it, quite a relief really.
I have never seen the phrase used in any way other than to describe someone who is trying to promote a falsehood.
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Personally I believe Apple updates the MP when it needs it themselves. That is, they design it and use it internally and once it doesn't fit their needs they update it. Selling it to the professional market makes it profitable to develop a machine for their internal use. Remember the Xserve? Probably discontinued that line when they had no need for it itself (and instead running IBM and Oracle servers at their datacenters).
Bottom line in that train of thought? Professionals are what makes some internal toys profitable (or less of a loss)
Bottom line in that train of thought? Professionals are what makes some internal toys profitable (or less of a loss)
I've never understood why everyone expects Apple to have a dog and pony show every time they upgrade their product line. As for your final sentence we don't know if Apple has abandoned the Mac Pro or not. The consistent lack of regular updates leads one to infer they're not committed to it. Let me ask you this: At what point will you conclude Apple has abandoned the Mac Pro if it isn't updated? Another year? Five years? Ten? What is the tipping point?
Please point out something you can't do with a MP 6,1
All I can see here mostly are people caring about tech spec list and nothing more.
The 6,1 is no more suitable just because it's from 2013, not because is not powerful enough.
So, you represent every professional?
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Can you please explain, how FCPX 10.2 is a debacle?
At what point do you consider it acceptable for people to complain about paying top dollar of older technology? Just because something is capable of performing a task doesn't mean people should blindly accept that they're paying top dollar for older tech. Should people be paying top dollar for PowerMac G5 systems? After all they're suitable for many tasks.
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I think when you complain about it every single day, it's annoying and unhelpful and probably counter-productive.
I'm more optimistic. you're more pessimistic. that's a key distinction in these arguments.. in fact, we could probably argue about anything and our communications would be very much the same as discussing computers.
anyway, just cheer up for one day. go back to complaining tomorrow. no harm no foul in that.
I am not complaining...I am not in the market for a Mac Pro so it's a non-issue for me. With that said that doesn't mean I will refrain from engaging in discussion about it.
With that said how about answering the question?
Well, primarily because FCP X 10.2 is not what was originally released. The original release of FCP X was not so much a debacle as it was a joke. Weren't you paying attention? Or did you just recently discover FCP X? I'm curious...
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People pay top dollar because it's a brand new machine. You want a 2 year old discount? Buy a used nMP off EBAY or from some other source.
There are plenty of examples where a relatively mature product continues to sell at a NEW price. The argument that because the nMP has not had a significant technical upgrade and therefore the price should be discounted is flawed. The REAL WORLD calculations is this... does the current nMP provide a platform for you to do what you want to do? Yes? BUY IT. No? BUY SOMETHING ELSE. That's a pretty simple calculation.
You failed to answer my question. If I had a brand new PowerMac G5 should I expect someone to pay its original selling price for it?
The cost of things in the marketplace are not based on what someone EXPECTS to be able to be charge... we'll, the price might start there ... if there are buyers for a product at a specific price point, then that product will continue to sell at that price point. If however, there are no buyers at a specific price point, the seller will reduce the cost until they find a market price people find acceptable for the product being sold.
Would someone pay original price for a NEW PowerMac G5? I doubt it. But that's really an absurd abstraction upon which to continue your argument regarding the nMP and it's current price, which is what you're really complaining about.
So, back to the nMP ... the nMP is still selling for a high price because people are BUYING IT at that price. And at the end of the day, that fact as much as anything else, is probably why we have not seen an updated nMP.
Would someone pay original price for a NEW PowerMac G5? I doubt it. But that's really an absurd abstraction upon which to continue your argument regarding the nMP and it's current price, which is what you're really complaining about.
So, back to the nMP ... the nMP is still selling for a high price because people are BUYING IT at that price. And at the end of the day, that fact as much as anything else, is probably why we have not seen an updated nMP.
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Nothing absurd about it as your criteria was whether it was new or not. My criteria isn't so limited.
Having said that at what point would you consider the nMP, without any updates, to no longer be worth the current asking price? From what you've written thus far it appears you'd indefinitely pay the current price for one (as long as it were new).
Well, in my case and for my needs... the nMP was not worth the price when it was released in 2013. I felt at the time, and continue to feel today, upgrading my cMP was a better and cheaper investment for my needs.
But to your point, if I were in the market for a nMP, would I buy a NEW one at the current APPLE price? No. I would buy a used one and use the savings to pay for any additional items I needed to go with the system. However, I do not expect APPLE to be selling NEW nMPs at a discount just because their core technology was released in 2013. APPLE is selling NEW nMPs at the current price because people are willing to pay that price. Is that such a difficult concept?
...and because there isn't any competition in the OSX market making the consumer a captive audience. Apple is a monopoly and people should advocate the break up of monopolies.
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