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people can spend their money however they want.
do you own a car? if so, I think you're an idiot. (I don't really.. just saying if i think a car is a waste of money doesn't mean others have spent wrongly when buying one)
idk, what does it matter to you how others spend their dough?
well now, that's a horse of a different color, as they say...
... on the one hand, I'd say APPLE in the way it designed the cMP, left the barn door open for 3rd party developers to continue supporting and improving the cMP platform. This has proven to be competition for the nMP and perhaps a contributing factor in the more limited design of the nMP.
... also, practically all of the important software developers have expanded their products to provide cross platform support, and in some case superior performance on alternative platforms.
... lastly, in the years I have been a consumer of APPLE products to support my business needs, the relative cost of APPLE products has kinda stayed the same compared to the competition. Usually more expensive than let's say a PC platform, but not by a crazy amount.
My biggest complaint is how APPLE seems to have become less responsive to user needs, opting to expand on the theory of knowing better what we need. But can any of us really have expected anything different? That's always been a core theme within APPLE and it's influence ebbs and flows with the passage of time.
As usual you've done a bunch of contradictory typing. But you admitted the truth twice which is progress. (First time was when you admitted 6,1 failed to meet your needs and you got a CUDA capable iMac instead)
Are there buyers willing to pay the current price? Sure...there are some who are. Likewise there are others, a few in this thread, who feel it is not worth the current price given it's based on older technology and refuse to buy one. Just like my PowerMac G5 example merely being new doesn't cut it as you seem to feel it does.
Psystar tried arguing that. Unfortunately for them the Judge disagreed.
OSX is simply an OS that operates in the PC market. There is nothing stopping people using Windows or one of the various flavours of Linux.
If Apple is a monopoly then by that definition so are
Microsoft - You can only get Windows OS from Microsoft so therefore Microsoft would be a Monopoly in Windows Market.
Ford - You can only get Ford vehicles from Ford so therefore Ford have a Monopoly on Ford Cars.
I don't recall having ever said people should spend their money according to my beliefs thus making the rest of your post a strawman.
I don't think there is anything wrong with Apple. They are just doing what most corporations do and focusing on their most profitable product lines. Face it the Mac is about 10% of total Apple revenue and the iPhone is nearing 70%. It makes sense that the iDevices and especially the iPhone is their main focus these days. Apple could totally withdraw from the PC market and it wouldn't put much of a dent in their profit. In fact it might actually improve it when you consider the profit margin achieved on the iDevices and the huge expenses cut by no longer maintaining a PC business.
I'm not saying they should drop the Mac line, but it makes sense why it has sort of turned into a red-headed step child... especially the Pro machines.
I completely agree with you. It would just take so little effort for them to make real, competitive machines instead of the console for their software they have offered up. And it would free us of the Appologists Squad who have been telling us to believe their blather rather than obvious facts.
Both your example don't make any sense. Microsoft isn't the sole manufacturer of PCs running windows and as such they aren't ina monopoly with regard to PCs running windows.
Ford is an hardware manufacturuer, it doesn't have a monopoly on the gas and oil that you use to make the car run.
But if you are dependant on OSX software you're also dependant on Apple hardware. And since Apple forbids anyone from entering the OSX compatible computer market they are a monopoly in that market.
Hell, Microsoft was judged guilty of using monopolistic tactics when it came to their bundling of internet explorer even though you were alway able to install a third party browser and make it the default. Which is way way down the scale of what Apple has been doing in regard to competition in the computer business.
I completely agree with the OP.
Apple sans Jobs has become just another "technology" company. Phil Schiller thinks innovation is slimming the MacBooks thinner than a piece of paper with no more user-upgradable parts. It's extremely pathetic and sad. OS X looks like a better-looking KDE 5 Plasma. If Apple had an eighth of a brain, they would give up the computing side because they obviously favor the iOS eco-system. Give up the horrific butchering job int he overpriced computers, and give us a "OS X Community Edition" where with certain supported PC-parts partners, you can install OS X natively without jumping through the insane Hackintosh hoops. At least give the real power users something to work with.
I'm happy I have my 12-core mid 2010 Mac Pro, but once these trend setters decide it's too old to support, I'll probably put Linux on it full time.
Think Differently is out the window.
Apple sans Jobs has become just another "technology" company. Phil Schiller thinks innovation is slimming the MacBooks thinner than a piece of paper with no more user-upgradable parts. It's extremely pathetic and sad. OS X looks like a better-looking KDE 5 Plasma. If Apple had an eighth of a brain, they would give up the computing side because they obviously favor the iOS eco-system. Give up the horrific butchering job int he overpriced computers, and give us a "OS X Community Edition" where with certain supported PC-parts partners, you can install OS X natively without jumping through the insane Hackintosh hoops. At least give the real power users something to work with.
I'm happy I have my 12-core mid 2010 Mac Pro, but once these trend setters decide it's too old to support, I'll probably put Linux on it full time.
Think Differently is out the window.
Pretty much this. Once you're in the Apple ecosystem you're pretty much stuck there. They literally have zero options now in terms of upgradeability. The Mac Pro was supposed to be that ... but you can't even upgrade the GPUs on those anymore either. It's just silly.
And if tomorrow Microsoft started selling Microsoft PC's and suddenly made it so new copies of Windows only ran on Microsoft hardware?
I think Dell, HP and all the other PC vendors might have something to say about that.
The judge threw out the argument from Pystar that Apple constitutes a monopoly, it isn't a separate market to Windows or Linux Computers. Apple Computers and OSX don't form a separate market to the general PC market.
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1049729/apple-monopoly
Whilst yes you can goto Dell, HP, Lenovo ( whoever floats your boat ) if you want Windows OS then it HAS to be Microsoft Windows.
Hackintoshers would also dispute that you HAVE to have an Apple Computer for OSX.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/the-hackintosh-thread.1900326/page-8#post-22460858
Theres people on this forum that use Hackintoshes, so are running OSX on non-Apple Hardware. How are they dependent upon Apple Hardware. Some people are even running Dual CPU Supermicro X9 boards out there with OSX.
If Ford doesn't have a monopoly on Ford Cars because you can get the Gas/Oil elsewhere then surely Apple isn't either as last time I checked Computers require Electricity in the same ways that Cars need Gas/Oil. That Battery in the laptop needs charging up still! Ford don't let other people sell Cars as Ford's with the Blue Oval badge.
Apple simply isn't a monopoly by the definition of what forms a Monopoly, you cannot have a monopoly of your own product.
This is what I was attempting to explain.
Give me 1 task that you can only perform on an Apple Computer running OSX that you cannot perform on a Dell/HP/Lenovo running Windows or Linux with Off the Shelf Software. Other then developing apps for Apple Systems! ( There is no doubt some piece of software developed somewhere in-house that has only been developed on OSX, not available to the general public )
Whilst there are some apps such as Logic that are OSX only, you can use other Apps on other OS to perform the same thing as Logic.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/the-hackintosh-thread.1900326/page-8#post-22460858
Kim is looking at moving from OSX and Logic to Windows and Ableton so that can have 1 machine as he finds that the nMP won't let him run Oculus Rift when running Windows on his nMP. he moved from Windows to OSX as Logic was dropped from Windows. Now that wants to run some Windows only software that the nMP cannot run he is looking at leaving Apple and changing his Music software. He is hardly stuck with OSX so he can do Music production with Logic.
I simply fail completely to see how you are showing Apple is a Monopoly.
Many here don't seem to have your problem with it.
Your diversion toward Microsoft has already been demonstrated to be irrelevant since you don't need to buy a Microsoft computer to run microsoft windows. You are obligated to buy an Apple computer to run Apple OSX.
Psystar didn't have the financial backing to take on Apple in a long court case, Apple won by attrition.
Hackintosh, while nice and all, aren't certified to run OSX. They aren't supported either by the OS maker, unlike Windows or Linux which are supported independantly of the brand of computers you use it on.
As for your point about which task can be done uniquely on the Mac, it's again totally irrelevant. You could run any web browser on Windows or other plateform, yet they were declared guilty of monopolistic practice.
The better solution would be to split Apple into three or more independant divisions, software, iOS, computers and media.
I have a gut feeling Apple and Microsoft have some secret agreement that prohibits Apple from allowing OS X to run on cheap commodity hardware, and in return Microsoft develops Office for the Mac. OS X would be a gateway OS to later buy Apple hardware.
Frankly, as a long time Mac user, then Windows user (for the games), I'm back to Mac again because I'm sick and tired of Microsoft's antics and flagrant anti-consumer policies like system wide telemetry. I've tried every flavor of Linux I could get my hands on, all the desktop environments (GUIs) were a complete joke in terms of usability and functionality. Linux makes for a great server OS, but desktop, not so much.
Are these kinds of threads even necessary and constructive anymore? How many of these do we really need?
It's the same thing every time- butthurt "professionals" (the usual 4-5 users who seem to just post on MR all day- is that what they are a pro at?) whining about how Apple is an evil monopoly that abandoned them, and the apologists struggling to retort their replies with the right logics but the wrong wording.
I'm an advocate of just splitting the board up into a "classic mac pro" and a "new mac pro" section, and ending this nonsense negativity and bickering that happens multiple times a week.
Like, we get it. You guys hate the 6,1; cool. You can build a PC workstation for less? Great. Your 5,1 can be upgraded to something still current? Awesome. Go ahead and do that, why do you need to post here then? If you know what the solution is for yourself but you keep staying here to start arguments, then the mods should get involved IMO because you're just problematic at that point.
It's the same thing every time- butthurt "professionals" (the usual 4-5 users who seem to just post on MR all day- is that what they are a pro at?) whining about how Apple is an evil monopoly that abandoned them, and the apologists struggling to retort their replies with the right logics but the wrong wording.
I'm an advocate of just splitting the board up into a "classic mac pro" and a "new mac pro" section, and ending this nonsense negativity and bickering that happens multiple times a week.
Like, we get it. You guys hate the 6,1; cool. You can build a PC workstation for less? Great. Your 5,1 can be upgraded to something still current? Awesome. Go ahead and do that, why do you need to post here then? If you know what the solution is for yourself but you keep staying here to start arguments, then the mods should get involved IMO because you're just problematic at that point.
Easy solution to this problem: Don't read these types of threads.
That has nothing to do with my statement and basically just lets you think that you can post whatever you want without consequences.
It has everything to do with your comment. You're whining that you're tired of seeing these types of threads. I gave you a solution to that complaint. As for posting whatever people want this topic, whether you disagree with it or not, is on topic for the forum.
What is the point of you (and the other guys) constantly bickering on this board about how "bad" the 6,1 is? What exactly are you trying to accomplish, besides parroting your negative and somewhat bigoted opinions over and over- opinions that are from a vocal minority?
Are you just here to vent and/or cause trouble with your constant negative statements? If so, that is grounds for moderation. Just saying. Nothing against you, just letting you know how things work around here.
Whatever our reasons we have them. This is a place for discussion and we don't need your approval to do it. Since you're free to avoid reading our time wasting posts I fail to see what your point is.
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