Did you exchange for another 13 Pro, or go to a different model?my old 13 pro wasnt that great camera wise, took it back and now seems fine!
Did you exchange for another 13 Pro, or go to a different model?my old 13 pro wasnt that great camera wise, took it back and now seems fine!
Yes another 13 pro.Did you exchange for another 13 Pro, or go to a different model? See much sharper overall
That shot looks decent!Yes another 13 pro.
Yes. Same distance - only mini led lamp light in evening.Your example clearly shows one of the issues with the main lens. There is clear “ghosting” in P key and the bracket key.
The ultra wide is sharper.
Do you still have the 12 to compare same setup?
That's almost certainly because of ƒ/1.5 as it has less depth of field. The rest looks... almost identical?Yes. Same distance - only mini led lamp light in evening.
13 pro (left) vs 12 (right).
Little more ghosting on arrow and square signs for 13 pro - maybe less sharpness radius because of ƒ/1.5 ?
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That cushion on the right of your lovely dog looks terrible with the sharpening effect. It looks like spaghetti!I might have found a workaround for this blurry/oversharpening issue.
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I took one picture using the iPhone camera app with the wide lens, every settings set as standard, except raw enabled.
I look at the photo in iOS standard app, awful results, look a bad digitally zoomed picture taken from a 2010 smartphone…
Then I opened the exact same raw picture in Lightroom mobile app, the result is much more appealing, I mean there is quality in the picture, this is noticeable. No filter or setting modifications applied.
have a look below. First is IOS photo app, second is Lightroom.
The issue is then more on the software side rather than hardware. Nonetheless, this cannot be ignored or denied! Please Apple engineers, take my humble investigation as hint of what’s going wrong with this post processing …
Your are welcome
So, if one uses this app ‘Halide’, it should solve the issue? Any downsides to using third-party apps?I'm fairly sure it's a software thing because I can use Halide to force the use of the telephoto lens and it looks fine.
I just took these two photos out of my office window. No modifications beyond the Photos app's JPEG conversion. As you can see, brilliant sunlight so it's not like the smaller aperture of the zoom lens should be an issue.
Native camera app, 3x zoom
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Halide, 3x zoom
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Look at the details in the trees and on the roof. It's night and day.
And, sure enough, looking at the metadata in the Photos app, the native app took it with the wide lens and digitally cropped it.
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So I think it's 100% a software issue, with the native camera app being far too aggressive in choosing the wide lens and digitally cropping. Personally I don't think it should be doing that at all, but if it's going to do that it should only be in really adverse lighting conditions, when the zoom physically can't pull in enough light.
As a final experiment, I used the native app, 3x zoom, and put my finger over the wide lens so that it couldn't use it. The photo came out fine:
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Edit: And here's the metadata for the final photo:
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Great investigative work!I'm fairly sure it's a software thing because I can use Halide to force the use of the telephoto lens and it looks fine.
I just took these two photos out of my office window. No modifications beyond the Photos app's JPEG conversion. As you can see, brilliant sunlight so it's not like the smaller aperture of the zoom lens should be an issue.
Native camera app, 3x zoom
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Halide, 3x zoom
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Look at the details in the trees and on the roof. It's night and day.
And, sure enough, looking at the metadata in the Photos app, the native app took it with the wide lens and digitally cropped it.
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So I think it's 100% a software issue, with the native camera app being far too aggressive in choosing the wide lens and digitally cropping. Personally I don't think it should be doing that at all, but if it's going to do that it should only be in really adverse lighting conditions, when the zoom physically can't pull in enough light.
As a final experiment, I used the native app, 3x zoom, and put my finger over the wide lens so that it couldn't use it. The photo came out fine:
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Edit: And here's the metadata for the final photo:
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Some of us who are really into photography do have DSLR cameras, and are not giving those up. With the touted advancements on the iPhone cameras, though, we expect them to work as advertised- and hope to sometimes put down the DSLR and use the phone cameras in certain situations and still get good shots.Maybe use a real professional camera instead of buying into the iPhone camera crap?
I get that, but any smartphone (no matter how fancy those lenses are) picture is always going to be a hit or miss.Some of us who are really into photography do have DSLR cameras, and are not giving those up. With the touted advancements on the iPhone cameras, though, we expect them to work as advertised- and hope to sometimes put down the DSLR and use the phone cameras in certain situations and still get good shots.
I get that, but any smartphone (no matter how fancy those lenses are) picture is always going to be a hit or miss.
So, if one uses this app ‘Halide’, it should solve the issue? Any downsides to using third-party apps?
Great investigative work!
Dumb question, but does Halide still use Apple's computational photography (smartHDR) and all of that on the back end- so it's really just another tool letting you control the camera, with no difference otherwise in image quality?
Sounds like a fantastic work-around option until Apple can fix this issue.
Given what someone else found that the image when taken in Halide looks MUCH better, it seems positive that this isn't a hardware issue, it is something Apple can patch with a software update in the near future.View attachment 1874704 Hi there, while I agree that smart phones are not a perfect replacement for dedicated cameras they are the cameras we always have with us. And they are not exactly cheap. Given the marketing (best camera in an iPhone ever …) I think we can expect that the photos are not worse than those of older iPhones. But harsh contrasts are the situations where the 13 pro struggles compared to its predecessors. I get a lot of double contours around edges between dark and light areas. Here is a collage of a scene I shot with my old 11 Pro Max and the new 13 Pro to show this issue. It’s not a single incident but an example of a general flaw of this camera.
Do any of you check out the shots on the iPhoneograpgy subreddit? How do they compare to yours?
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