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Feenician

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Yes, but it just shows the passcode screen to authenticate and returns to the lockscreen after that. I just want the ability to quickly unlock with raise to wake as a setting
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Nope didn't say that. The current method for dealing with secure notification actions works fine

You said "at the main section of the lock screen touchid immediately opens the phone" is how you want it to work but that's wholly incompatible with keeping the current method for secure notification. You can't have both without the phone somehow knowing what you want.
 

lagwagon

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You said "at the main section of the lock screen touchid immediately opens the phone" is how you want it to work but that's wholly incompatible with keeping the current method for secure notification. You can't have both without the phone somehow knowing what you want.

Face recognition so it can detect if you're looking at the notifications or not!
 

iphonedude2008

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You said "at the main section of the lock screen touchid immediately opens the phone" is how you want it to work but that's wholly incompatible with keeping the current method for secure notification. You can't have both without the phone somehow knowing what you want.
Now we're playing semantics. All I meant is that at the middle section of the lockscreen right after turning on the screen it should open immediately with touch ID, nothing about secure notifications
 

Feenician

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Now we're playing semantics. All I meant is that at the middle section of the lockscreen right after turning on the screen it should open immediately with touch ID, nothing about secure notifications

Here we go round the circle again. It does go on the home screen immediately with touch id.
 

Feenician

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Not arguing that. I just don't want to have to press home to unlock if the screen is already on and I'm not looking at widgets or something else, like interacting with a notification through quick reply

Again, how would the phone know whether you intend to unlock or go Home? In any case is the pressing of the home button really going to make any impact on anyone's day? Why is this discussion even a thing?
 

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Again, how would the phone know whether you intend to unlock or go Home? In any case is the pressing of the home button really going to make any impact on anyone's day? Why is this discussion even a thing?

Change is an impossible thing to overcome by some Apple fans. Apparently. We would still be on iPhone OS 1 if it were up to some.
 
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Shirasaki

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I suggest people settle this debate after a beta which "rest finger to unlock" feature actually works, or at least try again after that.
Current debate is just spinning all around and no one can reasonably convince the other.
 

Feenician

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Change is an impossible thing to overcome by some Apple fans. Apparently. We would still be on iPhone OS 1 if it were up to some.

Indeed

Protip for macrumors readers: if you're thinking of making a post that starts "I want" or ""it should", try moving on and asking yourself "how?" before proceeding
 

iphonedude2008

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Indeed

Protip for macrumors readers: if you're thinking of making a post that starts "I want" or ""it should", try moving on and asking yourself "how?" before proceeding
On the contrary, I think users should be able to give their opinion in a forum dedicated to that discussion. I like some changes, and I don't like others, there's nothing wrong with that
 
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Feenician

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On the contrary, I think users should be able to give their opinion in a forum dedicated to that discussion. I like some changes, and I don't like others, there's nothing wrong with that

I didn't say anyone wasn't allowed an opinion. I've seen a number of excellent suggestions from users here even over the last couple of weeks. It was clear those users had thought those through though. "Wah wah wah, I want the home button to somehow know what I'm thinking" doesn't help anyone.
 

iphonedude2008

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I didn't say anyone wasn't allowed an opinion. I've seen a number of excellent suggestions from users here even over the last couple of weeks. It was clear those users had thought those through though. "Wah wah wah, I want the home button to somehow know what I'm thinking" doesn't help anyone.
I don't know how my desire to not have to press the home button to unlock after already pressing the lock button turned into having the home button know what I'm doing. In iOS 9, I could press the lock button and then use Touch ID to unlock, but I can't in iOS 10. That's a very easy fix
 

lagwagon

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I don't know how my desire to not have to press the home button to unlock after already pressing the lock button turned into having the home button know what I'm doing. In iOS 9, I could press the lock button and then use Touch ID to unlock, but I can't in iOS 10. That's a very easy fix

iOS 10 changed in a sense what the lock screen is though. Same rules can't apply.
 

HopefulHumanist

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This discussion is hilarious to read. Somehow, iphonedude2008 doesn't see that what he/she is asking for is literally impossible with current technology. Somehow, the phone is just supposed to know, when you use Touch ID, whether you want to interact with notifications or open the phone.

Side note: My guess is that the "Rest Finger to Unlock" feature will restore iOS 9 functionality, meaning using Touch ID with an iPhone 6S or later will always blow past the lock screen notifications and open the phone. This would work for iphonedude2008 but not for those that wish to interact with notifications on the lock screen.
 

iphonedude2008

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This discussion is hilarious to read. Somehow, iphonedude2008 doesn't see that what he/she is asking for is literally impossible with current technology. Somehow, the phone is just supposed to know, when you use Touch ID, whether you want to interact with notifications or open the phone.

Side note: My guess is that the "Rest Finger to Unlock" feature will restore iOS 9 functionality, meaning using Touch ID with an iPhone 6S or later will always blow past the lock screen notifications and open the phone. This would work for iphonedude2008 but not for those that wish to interact with notifications on the lock screen.
I really don't know how everyone misunderstood me this bad. I just wanted Touch ID to unlock the phone instantly when I press the sleep button or get a notification or raise to wake, as it already does with the home button. I never implied that the phone should know what I'm doing
 

ilian92

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I guess it just works differently in iOS 10. From dark screen: press home button and leave finger on it a bit longer will go into the home screen.

They've probably removed the ability to directly go to the home screen by just resting a finger when the screen is lit because of the option of interacting with your phone on the lock screen, without always needing to go in the normal view. Sometimes I too leave my finger on thinking it would automatically "open up".

A choice for those who want it differently would be nice, but either way it's something we'll get used to.
 

ConnYoungy

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I enjoyed a time when my phone was lying flat on the counter and all I'd do was one quick home button press and I'd fly instantly through to the home screen. None of this "press to go home" crap that slows everything down - If I want to view my notifications I'll press the sleep/wake button cheers
 

Tech198

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Is it just me or does it do nothing? I rest my finger on the lock screen (with and without Touch ID enabled) and the screen on, and resting does nothing.

Looks like Apple does use Touch ID, but not from the home screen..in iOS 10 beta.

As least for me. only sometimes i see and *either* able to

a) enter my passcode (doesn't come up always) or
b) from this passcode screen i can use Touch ID.. NOT from lock status, I must press Home button,

So, seems Apple moved it from allowing access from the lock screen to the entering your pass-code section.
 

Shirasaki

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7 pages on this? Jeez.
This has emerged the most heated discussion because Apple gives us such a surprise not everyone want to see.
I personally think new method is better since I can ALWAYS make sure I unlock the device without risking slipping the phone from my hand. "swipe to unlock" is harder to use on larger screen device after all.
 
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Feenician

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This sheet comedy at this point.

I really don't know how everyone misunderstood me this bad. I just wanted Touch ID to unlock the phone instantly when I press the sleep button or get a notification or raise to wake, as it already does with the home button. I never implied that the phone should know what I'm doing

If you raise to wake or use e power button you're at a screen where touchid now has another meaning already do, yes, you are implying that iOS should magically know what you want it to do.

I enjoyed a time when my phone was lying flat on the counter and all I'd do was one quick home button press and I'd fly instantly through to the home screen. None of this "press to go home" crap that slows everything down - If I want to view my notifications I'll press the sleep/wake button cheers
That's precisely still, how it works. If want it to go home, press and hold you finger on the touchid, just like always.

Looks like Apple does use Touch ID, but not from the home screen..in iOS 10 beta.

As least for me. only sometimes i see and *either* able to

a) enter my passcode (doesn't come up always) or
b) from this passcode screen i can use Touch ID.. NOT from lock status, I must press Home button,

So, seems Apple moved it from allowing access from the lock screen to the entering your pass-code section.
Thus could not be more wrong.

How on earth is pressing a button so hard for people to wrap their heads around?
 

Sheldonsmith

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Okay, it did take me a while to understand the differences among swipe to open, raise to wake, and all the other permutations of these new features on my 6s Plus. One of the things that helped was to watch the lock icon on the top of the screen; when it disappears the rest to unlock functioned correctly, -unlocking the device but not going to the springboard as we all experienced in iOS9. I am hoping Apple adds a "rest finger to unlock and go to springboard/home screen" function. Insofar as depressing the home button, I am using the floating Accessibility control to reach the home screen, albeit it requires an extra gesture...
 
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