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Returned M1. Won’t Beta test this

FilmIndustryGuy

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My M1 air fried. Took it to Apple store and the tech told me it should work after a 10 min firmware upgrade. Came back saying it’s toast but no evidence or hardware issue after opening it up. The air worked perfect for days before this happened. I’ll wait for the redesign after all you guys test these devices for Apple. I’d be scared owning these things without Apple care. Back your projects up.
 
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Well, I don't want to jynx it but... the Air is fanless, and I think Apple is pushing the chip harder than it should be in some cases. It's allowed to reach 90+ Celsius before throttling.

Meanwhile, the MacBook Pro ramps up the fan as early as 45C, and it's practically on max speed at around 70C.

So it's pretty easy to see which one will "fry" easier. Yours is not the first report I've read, and I think we may start to see more of these when ambient temp reaches higher.
 
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bill-p said:
Well, I don't want to jynx it but... the Air is fanless, and I think Apple is pushing the chip harder than it should be in some cases. It's allowed to reach 90+ Celsius before throttling.

Meanwhile, the MacBook Pro ramps up the fan as early as 45C, and it's practically on max speed at around 70C.

So it's pretty easy to see which one will "fry" easier. Yours is not the first report I've read, and I think we may start to see more of these when ambient temp reaches higher.
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Scare tactics.

Chips have been going to 90C for years. Nothing to lose sleep over.
 
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If you’re running stuff on an Air that makes it fry then you’re definitely holding it wrong.

It’s an Air. It’s an ultra portable for office use not a 3D rendering, CG modelling, 8K video rendering, 50 Safari tabs workstation.
 
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acidfast7_redux said:
Scare tactics.

Chips have been going to 90C for years. Nothing to lose sleep over.
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For years, chips have been dead when running at 90+C for extended period of time.

Note that not everything is rated for 100C junction temperature. Some chips are rated for less.

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It’s an Air. It’s an ultra portable for office use not a 3D rendering, CG modelling, 8K video rendering, 50 Safari tabs workstation.
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Apparently, that's not how Apple marketed this device. That's also not how a lot of Youtubers are using them. It seems everyone and their neighbors are eager with this little device they can use to push heavy computational tasks... while it remains completely silent.

Edit: more dead Air:
 
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bill-p said:
For years, chips have been dead when running at 90+C for extended period of time.

Note that not everything is rated for 100C junction temperature. Some chips are rated for less.
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Again, this is hyperbole.

For years (!), chips have been dead (???) ... this statement is simply contextually confusing.

I can't imagine that the cooling system is any different than a SD8X5 series and that performance/longevity will be similar, only the order of years.

I think that 90C will be fine 24/7/365 but we'll see. I'll take that over dust buildup and fan noise any day of the week
 
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bill-p said:
For years, chips have been dead when running at 90+C for extended period of time.

Note that not everything is rated for 100C junction temperature. Some chips are rated for less.



Apparently, that's not how Apple marketed this device. That's also not how a lot of Youtubers are using them. It seems everyone and their neighbors are eager with this little device they can use to push heavy computational tasks... while it remains completely silent.

Edit: more dead Air:
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He didn’t mention how he had been using the M1 Air over the last 2 weeks. That is pertinent information, in my opinion.
 
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Again, this is hyperbole.

For years (!), chips have been dead (???) ... this statement is simply contextually confusing.

I can't imagine that the cooling system is any different than a SD8X5 series and that performance/longevity will be similar, only the order of years.

I think that 90C will be fine 24/7/365 but we'll see. I'll take that over dust buildup and fan noise any day of the week
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Snapdragon chips don't really run that hot, though:
wccftech.com

Snapdragon 865 Plus Can Reach 3.40GHz on Its Prime Core, up From 3.10GHz While Running Very Cool in the ROG Phone 3

The Snapdragon 865 Plus can reach an overclocked frequency of 3.40GHz while running maintaining low temperatures in the ROG Phone 3
wccftech.com wccftech.com

It's not "hyperbole". It's just common sense. People have had CPU failures due to excessive heat for years now. This is not new. Please do a search around the internet and see for yourself what others are saying "safe operating" temperature for CPUs should be. I can assure you... it's not 90+C.

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He didn’t mention how he had been using the M1 Air over the last 2 weeks. That is pertinent information, in my opinion.
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I don't think that matters. If it's a computer, anything can be thrown at it... and it should perform just fine. At this point, it's like you and some others are suggesting that MacBook Air users try to "watch" what they are doing. That's a bit much.

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Apple has always marketed it as an ultra portable and taking advice from most YouTube tech reviewers is the same as stabbing yourself to death with a spoon.
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My point above stands. This is a computer. The intended use case of a "computer" is pretty vast. And Apple themselves even mentioned Final Cut Pro X and gaming in their own marketing material, so... at least the Air can be used for those cases.

If it dies, that means there's a design flaw, not user error.
 
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bill-p said:
Well, I don't want to jynx it but... the Air is fanless, and I think Apple is pushing the chip harder than it should be in some cases. It's allowed to reach 90+ Celsius before throttling.

Meanwhile, the MacBook Pro ramps up the fan as early as 45C, and it's practically on max speed at around 70C.

So it's pretty easy to see which one will "fry" easier. Yours is not the first report I've read, and I think we may start to see more of these when ambient temp reaches higher.
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What? Can you provide a source for them allowing temps up to 90 degrees? Or an example of it? I haven’t seen temperatures like that anywhere.
 
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What? Can you provide a source for them allowing temps up to 90 degrees? Or an example of it? I haven’t seen temperatures like that anywhere.
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Here you go:
forums.macrumors.com

MacBook Air M1- temperature above 80c under load, what's your temps?

I've just received my MacBook Air base model. I haven't done much yet with it, but one thing that every reviewer confirms is how cool to the touch is. Mine seems pretty warm on normal usage and if I push it with Cinebench 23 temps are above 80c. Have I got a lemon?
forums.macrumors.com forums.macrumors.com

You can use iStatistica to show temperature in M1 devices now.
 
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bill-p said:
It's not "hyperbole". It's just common sense. People have had CPU failures due to excessive heat for years now. This is not new. Please do a search around the internet and see for yourself what others are saying "safe operating" temperature for CPUs should be. I can assure you... it's not 90+C.
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Show me that the M1 is running at 90C constantly in the Air before throttling.
 
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Show me that the M1 is running at 90C constantly in the Air before throttling.
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See above.

Note that Cinebench is not even the heaviest workload. You can do worse by adding GFXBench or Unigine Heaven, or anything that stresses both the CPU and GPU at the same time. Gaming also does this.
 
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AndyMacAndMic said:
The Macbook Air M1 throttles about 92-93 Celsius. The Macbook Pro M1 (with fan) keeps it cooler ;)



The above are just 2 examples. Just search for 'Macbook Air M1 temperature' on YouTube or Google.
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Sorry, man, not watching a 25m video. My time has value.

Throttles at 92/93C. I'll take your word for it.

Seems OK to me depending on the paste/pad connection to the "heat dissipator plate."

Looks like a large glob of paste, this will wear over time, but such is life. I knew it was finless when I bought it.
 
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