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Ok, you caught this before I edited the previous post. Just to recap:

On 2.35:1 films the resolution should be 1024x432 to get the full benefit of the vertical pixels. And that's when the bars are removed. Yes, handrake does remove the bars but only after it squashed the picture (see my previous edited post). That's why you only get 720x304 in Handbrake.

But, obviously these files/resolutions wouldn't work on the iPod with either H.264 or MPEG4.

Joshua.

Ok, thanks for the explanation.

What would you prefer, 720x304 or 640x480?
I get the impression that the first, while it doesnt have so many pixels as the latter, looks much better.
When encoding in 640x480 you still get the black bars, so for more films you have an actual resolution of 402x171. I ripped the same movie with mpeg4 (using handbrake) and h.264 (using the DVD to iPod converter - supports the new LC baseline profile) and the mpeg file looked much better on my imac. The H.264 looks always a bit blurry and in many occasions I can see pixels on the background. The MPEG4 playback I think is closer to DVD quality.
 
Ok, thanks for the explanation.

What would you prefer, 720x304 or 640x480?
I get the impression that the first, while it doesnt have so many pixels as the latter, looks much better.
When encoding in 640x480 you still get the black bars, so for more films you have an actual resolution of 402x171. I ripped the same movie with mpeg4 (using handbrake) and h.264 (using the DVD to iPod converter - supports the new LC baseline profile) and the mpeg file looked much better on my imac. The H.264 looks always a bit blurry and in many occasions I can see pixels on the background. The MPEG4 playback I think is closer to DVD quality.

Here's what I do. Since I want playback on my iMac, TV and iPod, I want to use highest resolution possible on the iPod. I also want the best quality per megabyte since the iPods storage is limited, so I want H.264. Therefore, I use the following:

640x480 H.264 for 4:3 or fullscreen material
640x352 H.264 for 16:9 material
640x272 H.264 for 2.35:1 material

It's a good compromise. It looks awesome on the iPod. It looks great on the iMac. It looks very good on my TV.

Joshua.
 
This was discussed briefly in this thread and a couple others, but I'm wondering if anyone has done any experimenting with partial cropping and stretching of widescreen content for playback on the iPods 4:3 screen?

I've been playing with some video in anticipation of my 5G iPod getting here in the next few days (curses FedEx!) and after I converted a few files to 320x whatever the appropriate size was for their aspect ratio I was really concerned how small they were when compared to a "full frame" 320x240 video.

So, I've tried a few things and came up with a method for 16:9 video (HDTV shows and some DVD boxset series that were originally 4:3, and some movies on DVD) that seems like a pretty decent compromise for me.

I've taken the original 704x400 video (what handbrake gives you after adjusting for non-square pixels) and cropped it by 56px on the left and right, leaving a 592x400 file. Then I scale this to 320x224 (this changes the aspect ratio). The end result is that the file uses most of the 320x240 space available (93% of it vs. 73% of the unaltered 16:9), at the expense of a 15% loss in the original picture, and a 4% distortion vertically.

It ends up looking very nice to me and works particularly well for TV shows since even widescreen shows are still 1) shot so they can be matted to 4:3 anyways and 2) have a good portion of the edges of each frame "earmarked" to be cropped by overscanning TV sets anyways.

For movies, it's not quite the same, but it's not a bad comprise to get TV shows off of DVDs or HDTV rips onto your iPod. It also works pretty well for movies that have been reframed to 16:9 for DVD release (lots of comedies, animated films, etc are shot in 1.85:1 then reframed to 1.78:1 aka 16:9 for the DVD release) but it's NOT the best for 2.35:1 movies (many action/adventure, epic films are shot in "wide widescreen" like this).

Anyways, just wondering if anyone else has tried similar conversions and how they've liked them, etc.
 
This was discussed briefly in this thread and a couple others, but I'm wondering if anyone has done any experimenting with partial cropping and stretching of widescreen content for playback on the iPods 4:3 screen?

I've been playing with some video in anticipation of my 5G iPod getting here in the next few days (curses FedEx!) and after I converted a few files to 320x whatever the appropriate size was for their aspect ratio I was really concerned how small they were when compared to a "full frame" 320x240 video.

So, I've tried a few things and came up with a method for 16:9 video (HDTV shows and some DVD boxset series that were originally 4:3, and some movies on DVD) that seems like a pretty decent compromise for me.

I've taken the original 704x400 video (what handbrake gives you after adjusting for non-square pixels) and cropped it by 56px on the left and right, leaving a 592x400 file. Then I scale this to 320x224 (this changes the aspect ratio). The end result is that the file uses most of the 320x240 space available (93% of it vs. 73% of the unaltered 16:9), at the expense of a 15% loss in the original picture, and a 4% distortion vertically.

It ends up looking very nice to me and works particularly well for TV shows since even widescreen shows are still 1) shot so they can be matted to 4:3 anyways and 2) have a good portion of the edges of each frame "earmarked" to be cropped by overscanning TV sets anyways.

For movies, it's not quite the same, but it's not a bad comprise to get TV shows off of DVDs or HDTV rips onto your iPod. It also works pretty well for movies that have been reframed to 16:9 for DVD release (lots of comedies, animated films, etc are shot in 1.85:1 then reframed to 1.78:1 aka 16:9 for the DVD release) but it's NOT the best for 2.35:1 movies (many action/adventure, epic films are shot in "wide widescreen" like this).

Anyways, just wondering if anyone else has tried similar conversions and how they've liked them, etc.

It would seem like a good compromise and a good idea. Personally I don't mind watching letterboxed movies on the iPod but for some a partial cropping/stretching would be great.

Joshua.
 
Hey folks!

MediaFork has just been released (0.8.0 beta 1), which is the successor of good ol' handbrake... I'm just downloading it now, anyone tried it yet? it supports the new 5.5g ipods, therefore I'm hoping 640xXXX LC H.264 @1500 kbps...

fingers crossed!
 
Hey folks!

MediaFork has just been released (0.8.0 beta 1), which is the successor of good ol' handbrake... I'm just downloading it now, anyone tried it yet? it supports the new 5.5g ipods, therefore I'm hoping 640xXXX LC H.264 @1500 kbps...

fingers crossed!

I have ripped 2 DVDs with it so far and I have to say that the speed improvements are dramatic. I get 33 to 35 fps and now a movie is being ripped in max 90 minutes. With other programs I needed about 2,5 hours on my Macbook Pro and iMac dual 2 core.

It does support the LC profile and it allows the creation of iPod and Apple TV compatible file. The quality of the ripped movies is very good, maybe a bit darker than the original.
 
I have a stupid question to ask

I have a Dell
I have a DVD-Rom Drive
I do not have a DVD Recoring drive

Can i still burn movies to my iPod using a program(i'm sorry to ask ,but i want to ask befre i waste my time trying to find a program)
 
I have a stupid question to ask

I have a Dell
I have a DVD-Rom Drive
I do not have a DVD Recoring drive

Can i still burn movies to my iPod using a program(i'm sorry to ask ,but i want to ask befre i waste my time trying to find a program)

Yes, you can. You need Mediafork to create an mp4 file. Then you will have to import the file to Itunes and sync it with your iPod. You cannot however burn a dvd...
 
I have a stupid question to ask

I have a Dell
I have a DVD-Rom Drive
I do not have a DVD Recoring drive

Can i still burn movies to my iPod using a program(i'm sorry to ask ,but i want to ask befre i waste my time trying to find a program)

Yes. It's easier if you download the right shareware program for you. I bought the Cucusoft suite - I haven't seen how to use it to create a video of The Sorcerer's Apprentice from Fantasia - and some of the conversions of my camera videos have aborted with a different part of the suite.
 
Maybe they are getting too much traffic.

I'm still playing around with MediaFork but it seems too slow for me. I'm using a G5 tower which i got in 2004, guess I may need to update my computer.

MediaFork runs pretty good for me (MacBook gets about 30-35fps when encoding H.264, and nearly 80fps for MPEG-4). The problem is on my Mac Pro which currently has 3 DVD drives attached to it (2 internal, plus the XBox 360 HD-DVD drive which I am using to help rip more things at once).

I built a pre-beta version myself just a week ago, and it rips great (I can get about 90fps across 3 simultaneous rips using H.264). I downloaded MediaFork, and something changed in the ripping code. Now I get about 20fps across the 3 copies of the app running, but if I pause 2 of the rips, the third will shoot up to about 40-50fps.

Back to my pre-beta version. :(
 
Yeah, I'm def doing something wrong as it's ETA is 8hours for a 3m29s music video.

I have used the suggested settings from the MediaFork forums for use with AppleTV and iPod 5.5.

Here is what was suggested.

File format: MP4
Codec AVC/H.264 Video / AAC Audio

fps: same as source
Encoder x264 (h.264 Main)

2-pass encoding
Average bitrate 1450 kbps

Keep AR: On
Deinterlace: On
Anamorphic: Off

Source 720 x 576
Output: 640 x 368

Me'thinks I may be purchasing a new computer soon.
 
Me'thinks I may be purchasing a new computer soon.

Yikes, what are you running that on. As others have suggested my iMac Core Duo gets right about 1:1 ~30 fps and sometimes a bit faster. My 3 year old Delll gets about half that using Nero Recode.

B
 
Yikes, what are you running that on. As others have suggested my iMac Core Duo gets right about 1:1 ~30 fps and sometimes a bit faster. My 3 year old Delll gets about half that using Nero Recode.

B

Running on

Processor: Dual 1.8 GHz PowerPC G5
Memory: 1.5 GB DDR SDRAM
Mac OS X 10.4.8

The puter is about 3 years old now.

The ETA for the 3 1/2 minute video was jumping from 4hours to 8 hours.
 
Running on

Processor: Dual 1.8 GHz PowerPC G5
Memory: 1.5 GB DDR SDRAM
Mac OS X 10.4.8

The puter is about 3 years old now.

The ETA for the 3 1/2 minute video was jumping from 4hours to 8 hours.

well, you have a problem there... mediafork on my mac mini G4 1.5GHz with 512 (yikes!) mb ram runs faster then anything else, getting up to 12-14 fps. i use the "ipod" profile in the encoder setting... 640xXXX and 160kbps audio... I'm also ripping my concert dvds so using 2 pass it takes like 20 to 25 mins for 1 song (while running azureus, mail, ...).

EDIT: forgot, bitrate set to 1200
 
well, you have a problem there... mediafork on my mac mini G4 1.5GHz with 512 (yikes!) mb ram runs faster then anything else, getting up to 12-14 fps. i use the "ipod" profile in the encoder setting... 640xXXX and 160kbps audio... I'm also ripping my concert dvds so using 2 pass it takes like 20 to 25 mins for 1 song (while running azureus, mail, ...).

EDIT: forgot, bitrate set to 1200

I'm def doing something wrong then. Maybe it has something to do with having the Delinterlace option checked.

http://mediafork.dynalias.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=200

I will have another go at it today and try and aim it at 20-25 mins.

Cheers for the info.
 
Handbrake Them • How To Use Handbrake With EyeTV & Toast Tutorial

With Handbrake you can rip a DVD so it will look great even on a TV out the iPod's video out port as well as fit on an iPod. This tutorial does not take into consideration the newer larger dimension H.264 files may be made into. But I never use H.264 anyway so here's my brief How-To. Feel free to PM me if you need more detail.

I love the fact that you can study a series of frames from throughout the video and crop the clip accordingly to make sure there is no noise lines on the top of your video as well as black space beyond where it is. I can also get excellent 16:9 video with Handbrake. I use the default FFMpeg setup + 2-pass + 29.94fps (you must manually set this as "same as source" yields 24fps no matter what the source) + 800kbps for SD and 1000kbps for HD. Higher rates won't help. Lower rates will degrade the quality but still look great on the iPod.

I rip from Toast DVD IMAGES (command D) I make from EyeTV HDTV recordings with all the Toast DVD Image Encoding Parameters set on MAXIMUM Quality. Then I open that IMAGE (not buring any DVDs) with Handbrake and set it this way:

Framerate: 29.97
Encoder: Leave on default "FFmpeg"
Check 2-pass encoding
Check Enable Queue (lets you rip multiple shows from one DVD Image encode of multiple shows - two prime time 42 min + one half hour of syndication 20 minutes)

Codecs Leave where it is by default: "MPEG-4 Video / AAC Audio"
Browse where you want to put the rip

TIP: You cannot paste titles in this field after you browse to where you want to put a title. So what I do is paste the title next to a number on an empty folder where the target location is and then just type one number in the browse title field before executing the "SAVE" button. then after the rip I just cut and paste the title from the empty numbered + Title folder that the rip winds up right next to in column view to the mp4 file replacing the number with the title in front of the .mp4 suffex. Saves a to of retyping all the time.

Leave all the audio setings where they are. Sound comes out perfect with these defaults.

Picture Settings...

HDTV - 624 wide x 352 high

SD - 544 wide x 400 high

Uncheck the "Keep aspect ratio" checkbox after you get them set to these numbers since when you close the settings window with that box checked those dimensions may change.

Use the Crop: Custom mode to tweak the edges of SD and some HD to get rid of noise on top and black on sides and bottom.

Check Deinterlace picture ALWAYS

Uncheck Useless OpenGL effects since they are. Use next and previous buttons to look at different frames from different parts of your video to make sure your crop is correct.

I target size 43 minutes of HDTV prime time to 350 MB (half a CD) which usually comes out to just over 1000kbps.

NOTE: When you set target size the Average bitrate will display in grey under your size. However the reverse is not true so you can't tell what size an Average bitrate setting will yield. But you can go up to the Target size and tweak it until you see the Average bitrate you want in grey under the size.

Finally Press "Add to queue" Then Pull down next title, change number form 1 to 2 etc. in the File Location window and repeat the process until all the videos in your image are in the queue. Then press rip and watch them go.

Quad G5 with nothing else running can rip at a rate around 100fps. Mac Pro can do it more like 130fps. All the Core Duo and Core 2 Duo Macs should also be able to rip in this speed range as Handbrake doesn't use more than 2 cores so far.

This the way I set my dimensions so it will interpolate up to a TV and still look good while still below iPod maximum dimension settings - can't exceed about 300,000 pixels. I don't use H.264 because a lot of people don't have that and it won't play for them + it makes the files larger.

Please ask all your questions in this thread so I may help everyone else. I have ripped thousands of EyeTV recordings with this technique and am convinced I have a work process that can't be beat. If anyone knows of any other program that can do 2-pass encoding WITH visual cropping tools that let you see frames from throughout the video you are about to rip please let us know. I know of many that offer cropping but NONE that give you live feedback while you are cropping how those cropping dimensions are going to affect your video's look. Do you?
 
Yeah, I'm def doing something wrong as it's ETA is 8hours for a 3m29s music video.

I have used the suggested settings from the MediaFork forums for use with AppleTV and iPod 5.5.

Here is what was suggested.

File format: MP4
Codec AVC/H.264 Video / AAC Audio

fps: same as source
Encoder x264 (h.264 Main)

2-pass encoding
Average bitrate 1450 kbps

Keep AR: On
Deinterlace: On
Anamorphic: Off

Source 720 x 576
Output: 640 x 368

Me'thinks I may be purchasing a new computer soon.

I've made a few changes on how I rip which has made it a lot faster.

The Encoder is now the "x264 (h.264 ipod)" instead of the "x264 (h.264 Main)" hopefully the quality will still be good for when AppleTV comes out.

I've also upped the Average bitrate to 1500 kbps.

I wonder if the ripping speed differs between NTSC and PAL dics? I'll do some more testing too see.
 
With Handbrake you can rip a DVD so it will look great even on a TV out the iPod's video out port as well as fit on an iPod. This tutorial does not take into consideration the newer larger dimension H.264 files may be made into. But I never use H.264 anyway so here's my brief How-To. Feel free to PM me if you need more detail.

I love the fact that you can study a series of frames from throughout the video and crop the clip accordingly to make sure there is no noise lines on the top of your video as well as black space beyond where it is. I can also get excellent 16:9 video with Handbrake. I use the default FFMpeg setup + 2-pass + 29.94fps (you must manually set this as "same as source" yields 24fps no matter what the source) + 800kbps for SD and 1000kbps for HD. Higher rates won't help. Lower rates will degrade the quality but still look great on the iPod.

I rip from Toast DVD IMAGES (command D) I make from EyeTV HDTV recordings with all the Toast DVD Image Encoding Parameters set on MAXIMUM Quality. Then I open that IMAGE (not buring any DVDs) with Handbrake and set it this way:

Framerate: 29.97
Encoder: Leave on default "FFmpeg"
Check 2-pass encoding
Check Enable Queue (lets you rip multiple shows from one DVD Image encode of multiple shows - two prime time 42 min + one half hour of syndication 20 minutes)

Codecs Leave where it is by default: "MPEG-4 Video / AAC Audio"
Browse where you want to put the rip

TIP: You cannot paste titles in this field after you browse to where you want to put a title. So what I do is paste the title next to a number on an empty folder where the target location is and then just type one number in the browse title field before executing the "SAVE" button. then after the rip I just cut and paste the title from the empty numbered + Title folder that the rip winds up right next to in column view to the mp4 file replacing the number with the title in front of the .mp4 suffex. Saves a to of retyping all the time.

Leave all the audio setings where they are. Sound comes out perfect with these defaults.

Picture Settings...

HDTV - 624 wide x 352 high

SD - 544 wide x 400 high

Uncheck the "Keep aspect ratio" checkbox after you get them set to these numbers since when you close the settings window with that box checked those dimensions may change.

Use the Crop: Custom mode to tweak the edges of SD and some HD to get rid of noise on top and black on sides and bottom.

Check Deinterlace picture ALWAYS

Uncheck Useless OpenGL effects since they are. Use next and previous buttons to look at different frames from different parts of your video to make sure your crop is correct.

I target size 43 minutes of HDTV prime time to 350 MB (half a CD) which usually comes out to just over 1000kbps.

NOTE: When you set target size the Average bitrate will display in grey under your size. However the reverse is not true so you can't tell what size an Average bitrate setting will yield. But you can go up to the Target size and tweak it until you see the Average bitrate you want in grey under the size.

Finally Press "Add to queue" Then Pull down next title, change number form 1 to 2 etc. in the File Location window and repeat the process until all the videos in your image are in the queue. Then press rip and watch them go.

Quad G5 with nothing else running can rip at a rate around 100fps. Mac Pro can do it more like 130fps. All the Core Duo and Core 2 Duo Macs should also be able to rip in this speed range as Handbrake doesn't use more than 2 cores so far.

This the way I set my dimensions so it will interpolate up to a TV and still look good while still below iPod maximum dimension settings - can't exceed about 300,000 pixels. I don't use H.264 because a lot of people don't have that and it won't play for them + it makes the files larger.

Please ask all your questions in this thread so I may help everyone else. I have ripped thousands of EyeTV recordings with this technique and am convinced I have a work process that can't be beat. If anyone knows of any other program that can do 2-pass encoding WITH visual cropping tools that let you see frames from throughout the video you are about to rip please let us know. I know of many that offer cropping but NONE that give you live feedback while you are cropping how those cropping dimensions are going to affect your video's look. Do you?


i preffer MediaFork with similar settings, as well as h.264 over FFmpeg for playback on my 5.5G 80gig iPod... i think the quality at 1450 average bitrate is far better than what you get with ffmpeg... and files in my experience are smaller... far less problems with playing back custom cropped h.264 on the iPod than with handbrake... + mediafork is faster on my 4G 1.5GHz mini
 
the use guide is much like my xilisoft DVD to ipod converter,

could anybody recommend me another converter??
 
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