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I made two separate points. The first, import one doesn’t relate to same/different aspect ratios, but to having a non-square aspect ratio for the inner screen. And the less important one was acknowledging that Apple apparently isn’t going for the same aspect ratio.

Apple also isn’t the first to go for a wider outer screen in order to have a more rectangular inner screen. Look at the Huawei Pura X:

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I wonder if that Pura is awkward to use since you have to rotate it after unfolding.
 
I wonder if that Pura is awkward to use since you have to rotate it after unfolding.
Actually for classic (landscape) image/video viewing you would not rotate it after unfolding. If you prefer a portrait view of something then you would have to rotate it. But my guess is that a lot of basic activities would be done in portrait mode on the closed display without ever unfoldinging the phone.
 
I wonder if that Pura is awkward to use since you have to rotate it after unfolding.
It’s a good question if Apple will go back to offering a landscape iOS home screen on the inner display, which the original Plus models had until iOS 14.

Regarding the Pura X, this video gives a bit of an impression:

Note that the Pura X is a bit smaller than the iPhone foldable, only 6.3” at 16:10 for the inner screen instead of 7.8” at ~16:11.5.

One nice thing about the Pura X is that it can be used standing on a table like this:

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They dont have to. Instagram, for example, on the iPad is still just the narrow phone app.
Yes, they don't have to. I would love for Apple to enforce these kind of rules, but they never will for many reasons.

But it's still true: Since before the iPhone 6 came out, Apple has recommended to build iOS apps in a way that makes them adapt to different screens. And if you do so, your app also works great in slide-over on iPads. And it would also work flawlessly with this square outer screen.
 
Thank you for these great renders! It's the first time this device looks as if it could make sense for people.

MKBHD did a video where he talked about the problem with the often weird aspect ratios of foldables. I think this version here would be the right compromise. In my mind, it is more important that the inner screen is perfectly usable, because that's the differentiating factor of this device compared to other iPhones. The outer one is a "convenience screen" and I'm sure it would be useful and usable enough.

The price of this device will make it a no-go though for me. But at least it's something new and interesting!
 
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It’s a good question if Apple will go back to offering a landscape iOS home screen on the inner display, which the original Plus models had until iOS 14.
I found the landscape mode to be annoying because I was constantly changing rotation based on which apps had landscape support. Even Apple was inconsistent about supporting their own UI feature.
 
I found the landscape mode to be annoying because I was constantly changing rotation based on which apps had landscape support. Even Apple was inconsistent about supporting their own UI feature.
I never owned a Plus, but I use landscape orientation quite regularly on the iPhone, depending on the situation and on the app. It is sometimes a bit annoying that the home screen doesn’t support it, although the app switcher does. So I don’t quite understand how the home screen supporting it would cause more rotation. For me, it would (mildly) reduce the need for rotating the phone.
 
I never owned a Plus, but I use landscape orientation quite regularly on the iPhone, depending on the situation and on the app. It is sometimes a bit annoying that the home screen doesn’t support it, although the app switcher does. So I don’t quite understand how the home screen supporting it would cause more rotation. For me, it would (mildly) reduce the need for rotating the phone.
This kind order of things shows why there would be a lot of rotation eeded.

Landscape homescreen
Portrait app
Landscape home screen
Landscape app
Portrait app
Landscape homescreen

A lot of times I would just leave the home screen in portrait when coming from a portrait only app. If all your apps supported landscape then it's great, but even Apple decided it was easier to get rid of landscape home screen support then add lanscreen to all of their apps.
 
OK so I've been slightly obsessed with the size of the upcoming iPhone fold since it was rumoured that the outer screen would be 5.5" and wanted to know how it compared to my beloved iPhone mini.

One article the other day suggested an exact resolution and sizes for screens so that let me sketch out the device, using these as a fix and working my way outwards. I've done two or three versions of this over the last month and this is my latest, based on all the collated rumours with a little bit of artistic licence. Apologies, there's a lot of images here. I don't expect it will look exactly like this, but I think I got the size pretty close now.

Animated gif comparing a 16 pro max silhouette and 13 mini silhouette:
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Assorted comparisons with a 15 Pro max and 12 mini (the only two other 3D models I had to hand) -

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Open:
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Stacked:
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(note the need for a sharp corner on the left edge to accommodate the opening screen - bad luck left handed users)
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Assorted shots:
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A midnight colourway test:
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Some animated renders:

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a mock-up of the device with a keyboard in a 'laptop' orientation and an aluminium camera bump since that's been seen in some of the recent dummy models:
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Awesome for a concept, nice work!
I am definitely ditching iPhones though if both the 17 and ios 19 look like android flagships.
 
This kind order of things shows why there would be a lot of rotation eeded.

Landscape homescreen
Portrait app
Landscape home screen
Landscape app
Portrait app
Landscape homescreen

A lot of times I would just leave the home screen in portrait when coming from a portrait only app. If all your apps supported landscape then it's great, but even Apple decided it was easier to get rid of landscape home screen support then add lanscreen to all of their apps.
After thinking more about it, I don't think it actually makes that much of a difference. You have to rotate when switching between a landscape app and a portrait-only app, and in that case it doesn't make much of a difference if the home screen in-between is portrait or landscape, you have to rotate once in either case. The benefit I was thinking of is that when you happen to switch between landscape apps and have to use the home screen in between, which is not uncommon for me, then it would be useful for the home screen to support landscape as well. I can see that when using a landscape homescreen by default and opening an app, as in your example, you might run into a portrait-only app more often, but at least for me that drawback would roughly balance out with the aforementioned benefit. When I pick up the phone, I don't think I would use the home screen in landscape that often, even if it supported it, unless I was planning to use a specific app in landscape anyway.
 
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After thinking more about it, I don't think it actually makes that much of a difference. You have to rotate when switching between a landscape app and a portrait-only app, and in that case it doesn't make much of a difference if the home screen in-between is portrait or landscape, you have to rotate once in either case. The benefit I was thinking of is that when you happen to switch between landscape apps and have to use the home screen in between, which is not uncommon for me, then it would be useful for the home screen to support landscape as well. I can see that when using a landscape homescreen by default and opening an app, as in your example, you might run into a portrait-only app more often, but at least for me that drawback would roughly balance out with the aforementioned benefit. When I pick up the phone, I don't think I would use the home screen in landscape that often, even if it supported it, unless I was planning to use a specific app in landscape anyway.
If you often go from landscape app to home screen to landscape app, it would be annoying that the home screen is only portrait.

I would say switching between video streaming apps would be a common scenario for that, but it seems all streaming apps have portrait-only UIs, so navigating to a streaming app will require you to go portrait anyway.

Side rant- it seriously frustrates me that most video streaming apps have landscape-only video playback despite having portrait-only UIs. The constant rotating back and forth is the worst especially when your phone is on a stand or mount.
 
I made two separate points. The first, import one doesn’t relate to same/different aspect ratios, but to having a non-square aspect ratio for the inner screen. And the less important one was acknowledging that Apple apparently isn’t going for the same aspect ratio.

Apple also isn’t the first to go for a wider outer screen in order to have a more rectangular inner screen. Look at the Huawei Pura X:

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I took a few minutes with the Pura X at the Huawei store. I’m in love with the form factor. I wish the apple foldable came in this size!
 
I guess is if Apple comes out with a folding phone it’s not going to be liked. many people on this form have already complained about the weight and size of the current iPhone saying it’s too heavy. It’s too big etc. How do you think they’re going to act when they get their hands on a folding phone that’s twice as thick and twice as heavy? I’m definitely not interested in a folding phone and having a plastic screen with a crease down the middle. I realize a folding phone is good for some people, but just not for me.
 
I guess is if Apple comes out with a folding phone it’s not going to be liked. many people on this form have already complained about the weight and size of the current iPhone saying it’s too heavy. It’s too big etc. How do you think they’re going to act when they get their hands on a folding phone that’s twice as thick and twice as heavy? I’m definitely not interested in a folding phone and having a plastic screen with a crease down the middle. I realize a folding phone is good for some people, but just not for me.
I've just switched from an iPhone 16 Pro Max to an Oppo Find N5. the two are virtually same size and weight.
 
While I wouldn’t purchase it myself I also wouldn’t say it’s hideous nor worthless for everyone. We know people will buy it.
Almost a million people bought Vision Pro, so yes, someone will buy it. That doesn't mean anything.

This is a device coming into a product category (iPhone) where devices are supposed to have mass market appeal. Even the high end expensive models sell in the tens of millions of units per quarter. A device like this has no practical purpose. It isn't more portable when folded, and it isn't more usable when unfolded. Completely misses both possible reasons for a foldable, which were tepid reasons at best anyway.
 
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Almost a million people bought Vision Pro, so yes, someone will buy it. That doesn't mean anything.

This is a device coming into a product category (iPhone) where devices are supposed to have mass market appeal. Even the high end expensive models sell in the tens of millions of units per quarter. A device like this has no practical purpose. It isn't more portable when folded, and it isn't more usable when unfolded. Completely misses both possible reasons for a foldable, which were tepid reasons at best anyway.
Foldables are not mass market appeal devices whether iPhones or not. They may never be. They are designed for certain use cases and people in that category who want that will buy them. To say it has no practical purpose, before we have any facts on design from Apple, is premature.
 
Foldables are not mass market appeal devices whether iPhones or not. They may never be. They are designed for certain use cases and people in that category who want that will buy them. To say it has no practical purpose, before we have any facts on design from Apple, is premature.
No, it isn't. It is precisely on point and entirely accurate. There is no mystery or magic killer purpose that no one else can see. A foldable only has 2 possible purposes: more portable, or more usable. For either to be the case, the folded or unfolded dimensions have to hit certain sizes. This doesn't. Therefore, its useless.
 
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It's not premature, it's downright silly.

Even by Gio's own standards, when folded, this thing looks to have a footprint not much larger than a mini, but when unfolded has a footprint a good amount larger than a pro max.

The added volume and small outer screen might make for some great battery life. And, most importantly, this is a device that is literally no official information on yet.
 
Almost a million people bought Vision Pro, so yes, someone will buy it. That doesn't mean anything.

This is a device coming into a product category (iPhone) where devices are supposed to have mass market appeal. Even the high end expensive models sell in the tens of millions of units per quarter. A device like this has no practical purpose. It isn't more portable when folded, and it isn't more usable when unfolded. Completely misses both possible reasons for a foldable, which were tepid reasons at best anyway.
You are wrong when you state "A device like this has no practical purpose." There are lots of buyers, including me, who might love having such a device properly done. I and many others would love having an iPhone Pro + iPad mini in one device that fits in my pocket. Such a device would be hella useful, not "no practical purpose."
The only thing that might stop me from buying one would be less camera competence.
 
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Thank you for these great renders! It's the first time this device looks as if it could make sense for people.

MKBHD did a video where he talked about the problem with the often weird aspect ratios of foldables. I think this version here would be the right compromise. In my mind, it is more important that the inner screen is perfectly usable, because that's the differentiating factor of this device compared to other iPhones. The outer one is a "convenience screen" and I'm sure it would be useful and usable enough.

The price of this device will make it a no-go though for me. But at least it's something new and interesting!
Yes, this is the first foldable I’ve seen with a screen dimensions that are appealing to me.
 
No, it isn't. It is precisely on point and entirely accurate. There is no mystery or magic killer purpose that no one else can see. A foldable only has 2 possible purposes: more portable, or more usable. For either to be the case, the folded or unfolded dimensions have to hit Perrone certain sizes. This doesn't. Therefore, it’s useless.
You are trying to speak for everyone. You are not everyone.
 
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