Running with the Apple Training app

[Jana_CZ]

Do you have "Auto-Pause" enabled or not?

I do, not sure if it has any impact...

 

[Abazigal]

Hello ! How is everyone's running coming along ? Winter has arrived in my part of the world (Montreal, Canada).. It's -8c now and tomorrow morning we'll be heading to double negative digits.. I had to dig FAR into the running drawer to pull out the tights, merino wool everything.. Luckily most of the sidewalks aren't covered in ice. But my favourite dirt bike lanes around the city are all ice covered.. I won't be seeing those again until late March..

Did my first ever group run. It was, um, interesting.. I can't say I'll make it part of my regular routine, but I guess it breaks up running alone in this cold day in and day out.. Not much running, lots of chitty, chatty..

The good news is after trying 3 years in a row, I have finally gotten an invite (via the lottery) to the Berlin Marathon. My old man was German.. He would have been happy to see me heading there.

I hope everyone's running is going well and you are all enjoying yourselves, injury and sickness free.

Well, it's been a hectic year of work for me, and running has been pretty much an afterthought. Finally getting back into it now that it's the holidays, and well, I can maybe run every other day. Legs need time to rest, knees are starting to give me problems, and boy has my stamina dropped off a cliff.

Nothing to boast about. A very humble 3+ km here and there. 😬

But I do hope to be able to at least over the weekends next year (unlikely to do so on weekdays due to work). Running has been one of the few physical activities I actually enjoy (something about a good sweat that makes all the stress just melt away).

 

[NME42]

The Bevel app (competitor to Athlytic) is now free in the base version. For someone who wants to have all these body metrics it is a good thing.

Bevel - The Everything Health App

Bevel is the AI health companion that turns your data into personalized insights and recommendations across sleep, fitness, nutrition, and more.

www.bevel.health

 

[Jeilders]

If I was running with an Apple Watch 11 using the native workout app about how long would my battery life be? I want to run a marathon this fall but I’m slow(7+ hrs) Would the series 11 last that long?

 

[NME42]

If I was running with an Apple Watch 11 using the native workout app about how long would my battery life be? I want to run a marathon this fall but I’m slow(7+ hrs) Would the series 11 last that long?

Yes, if you take care of some things. Of course start with a fully charged AW. Also, I would put in battery saving mode.

 

[NME42]

Anyone done custom running workouts with the Apple Training app?

I still experience very slow saving.

 

[xDKP]

Anyone done custom running workouts with the Apple Training app?

I still experience very slow saving.

Unfortunately been 6 weeks since I’ve been doing other than short easy runs - injury not completely good yet.

Before that though, saving was not an issue

 

[NME42]

Unfortunately been 6 weeks since I’ve been doing other than short easy runs - injury not completely good yet.

Before that though, saving was not an issue

Thanks and get well soon. These six weeks could be exactly before 26.1 was released.

 

[rbart]

Anyone done custom running workouts with the Apple Training app?

I still experience very slow saving.

It's an issue from HealthKit API.
I am also seeing this with my own app.
When you store structured workouts, it saves workout with multiple activities.
When finishing workout, HealthKit does a huge processing to associate all HKSamples to each activity, and it's a very huge amount of data.
It takes longer than before and can crash on slow/low battery watches.
It has always been super slow, but it's even slower now ...

 

[NME42]

It's an issue from HealthKit API.
I am also seeing this with my own app.
When you store structured workouts, it saves workout with multiple activities.
When finishing workout, HealthKit does a huge processing to associate all HKSamples to each activity, and it's a very huge amount of data.
It takes longer than before and can crash on slow/low battery watches.
It has always been super slow, but it's even slower now ...

Thank you so much for this analysis.

Do you happen to know if Apple is aware of the issue?

I raised bug reports in Feedback Assistant and also via the web form but I am not sure if these reports are routed to /dev/null.

 

[rbart]

I don't know ...
I have raised an issue 2 years ago ... without any response.
They don't care about small developers and people are faster to complain against a small app developer than against a small startup like Apple.

 

[NME42]

I don't know ...

In watchOS 12 there was the bug that sometimes (not reproducible) that in custom workouts sometimes the GPS track missed after the first segment (typically warmup). Do you think this is the same problem?

 

[NME42]

What I find strange is that I have not read any reports on this specific slow saving of custom workouts in the WorkoutDoors thread.

 

[rbart]

What I find strange is that I have not read any reports on this specific slow saving of custom workouts in the WorkoutDoors thread.

Because workoutdoors doesn't use the recommended segmentation of workout with HKWorkoutActivityType (see https://developer.apple.com/documentation/healthkit/dividing-a-healthkit-workout-into-activities)

Apple recommends to use that for intervals segmentation:
Interval training
Use HKWorkoutActivity instances to represent the active portions of the workout. You can create an interval workout for any HKWorkoutActivityType; however, all workout activities must use the same activity type as the containing workout. You can’t mix activities within a single workout.

Workoutdoors use a custom way of segmenting workouts.
I will do the same in a new version of my app.
Last year, I have migrated to the Apple way of doing, but as it's super slow, I will rollback to my homemade solution ...

 

[rbart]

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