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sparksd

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I think this where big business fails. Amazon bought Dpreview as we all know. I think if passionate people still owned the site, this would never have happened but now its just another business unit of Amazon, not making enough money for the parent company so they pulled the plug.

Yeah, it was really just a side hustle for Amazon, outside of their core services, so it was an easy target during the current layoff/costcutting cycle. Not something they cared about as a corporate entity.
 

TSE

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Mobile phone photography is chic and fad (in vogue) as was film travel photography years past. Social media snaps will go on. And so will dedicated camera photography. Maybe in 20-years dedicated digital camera use will become the fad that film use is today. I choose to be dedicated.

It already is, dude. Here in NYC the hottest thing going in middle schools and high schools are old point-and-shoot digital cameras from the mid 2000's.

I think this where big business fails. Amazon bought Dpreview as we all know. I think if passionate people still owned the site, this would never have happened but now its just another business unit of Amazon, not making enough money for the parent company so they pulled the plug.

Yep. Capitalism ignores the art, human, and moral aspect of life in favor of $$$.
 

brizna

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Jan 20, 2023
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Amazon, like Microsoft, Google and Meta is a sad firm with no ideology. It runs on one/two successful stories and is otherwise garbage. So? So... these people buy up small firms and be like 'oh, no idea why we bought that, close it or fire 'em"
 

Steven-iphone

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There is something satisfying about seeing one's photography on a wall. Not a small 5x7, but a 16x24. A quality image obtained from a larger sensor camera - dedicated camera. And my camera does fit in my pocket - Ricoh GR iiix. The mobile phone is great for texting, and quick web searches, even GPS - but not for quality, non-AI over processed images.

This subject has got my mitochondria all a-buzz, now for some coffee.
 
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Timpetus

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Never thought I'd see the day! Down to just Imaging Resource now, that's the other site I used to read every day when I was first starting as a pro photographer.
 

Fishrrman

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My guess is that dpreview never realized the goals amazon thought it might -- that is, more sales and more $$$.

I had read a few days' back of another round of employee cuts (9,000 or so) at amazon. Looks like the dpreview folks are part of that.

I'm wondering why they decided to just shut the site down, rather than offer it for sale, or perhaps offer to "give the forums away" to someone and take a tax deduction for it?
 

Steven-iphone

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I'm wondering why they decided to just shut the site down, rather than offer it for sale, or perhaps offer to "give the forums away" to someone and take a tax deduction for it?

They may not have wanted the site repurposed with product sales links to other distributors.

It already is, dude. Here in NYC the hottest thing going in middle schools and high schools are old point-and-shoot digital cameras from the mid 2000s

Probably interested in the older CCD sensors - for B/W photography.
 

Jumpthesnark

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I've read from others that the forums at DPR could get pretty rough/hostile, for no good reason, without much quality moderation.
Definitely, there are jerks there (like on basically every internet forum, ahem) who only want to bully others for no apparent reason. There are Canon forums where Sony owners will come in and diss the brand or specific models, and Sony forums where Canon users do the same. There are some forum members who have taken it upon themselves to police the threads, and tell others to delete comments or whatever. There are toxic people there who just want to anonymously pick fights. And after years of bickering like an old unhappy married couple, some people's attitudes toward one another have become calcified and you can see it in the threads - they just don't like each other and both are trying to score points that have nothing to do with the discussion at hand. Fortunately this seems to be a minority of users there, and there are many forum topics (usually those about photography subjects and techniques, not kinds of gear) whose members are really helpful and supportive. In short, it's the internet. 😂
 

TechnoMonk

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Oct 15, 2022
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The iPhone has killed photography.
I think this is true for most part except professional photography jobs. After upgrading to 13 PM my dSLR rarely sees any action. 13 PM camera is good enough for most cases, and it’s always in my pocket. I just use my dSLR for 70-300 zoom most of the time.
 

AnTaR3s

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Jul 19, 2011
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Holy...what the hell? I have been visiting their site for years. Where to go now for trustworthy camera reviews?!
 

sparksd

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Jun 7, 2015
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I think this is true for most part except professional photography jobs. After upgrading to 13 PM my dSLR rarely sees any action. 13 PM camera is good enough for most cases, and it’s always in my pocket. I just use my dSLR for 70-300 zoom most of the time.

I have the 14 Pro Max and will always pick up my DSLR - or compact - over it.
 

Realityck

macrumors G4
Nov 9, 2015
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Silicon Valley, CA
The DPR Review web site will be sorely missed, offered some of the most useful reviews I ever looked at for years against all forms of photography gear. So sad to see it end.

Earlier news

“After nearly 25 years of operation, DPReview will be closing in the near future,” said DPReview’s Scott Everett. “This difficult decision is part of the annual operating plan review that our parent company shared earlier this year,” he added, referencing Amazon CEO Andy Jassy’s Jan. 4 memo announcing 18,000 job cuts at the tech giant.
 
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Darmok N Jalad

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Definitely, there are jerks there (like on basically every internet forum, ahem) who only want to bully others for no apparent reason. There are Canon forums where Sony owners will come in and diss the brand or specific models, and Sony forums where Canon users do the same. There are some forum members who have taken it upon themselves to police the threads, and tell others to delete comments or whatever. There are toxic people there who just want to anonymously pick fights. And after years of bickering like an old unhappy married couple, some people's attitudes toward one another have become calcified and you can see it in the threads - they just don't like each other and both are trying to score points that have nothing to do with the discussion at hand. Fortunately this seems to be a minority of users there, and there are many forum topics (usually those about photography subjects and techniques, not kinds of gear) whose members are really helpful and supportive. In short, it's the internet. 😂
There actually are still forums out there where a vast majority of the user base is friendly and supportive. There can be brand/format discussions that don’t devolve into a flame war. MU-43.com was a really great forum for that format in particular, but when it got absorbed by VerticalScope, many left for privately-owned Cameraderie.com. There are now quite a few Fuji-X refugees there since VS bought that site too. If enough passionate folks get together, then you can still get a good amount of product info and support from real-world users. I’ve actually come to base more of my gear purchases based on what such folks can do with it and what they say about it. A review site might have a lot of comparative chops, but they can't spend a lot of time with every single body and lens.
 
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jwdsail

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A morning post to Digital Photography Review (DPReview.com) says that the site, which has been around for decades as an authoritative resource for photographers, will be closing.

I always went to DPR for information about just-released gear, to compare camera bodies and lenses, to talk with other photographers. Sad news.

Damn..

DPReview was a huge resource when I purchased my first interchangeable lens DSLR.. I just checked and I still have *that* review for that camera in my bookmarks.

Maybe someone will still convince Amazon to sell it instead?

Doubtful.. but..

sigh
 
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Apple fanboy

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This might come around and bite Amazon in the butt. Quite simply the more information someone has when ordering online, the less likely they are to return a purchase. Getting rid of DP Review means getting rid of a gigantic portion of the online information on cameras.

Bottom line is that shipping and return on cameras tends to be costly, and the less information available at the time of an order the higher possibility that purchase will be returned.
Returning cameras to Amazon doesn’t cost Amazon a penny. It costs Amazon suppliers.
 

Apple fanboy

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Feb 21, 2012
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This is the truth of it for the casual photographer. Serious hobbyists and professionals exist and they still need all the pro gear but it's increasingly true that the iPhone works best for most of us, most of the time.

The iPhone 11 Pro marked the transition away from my point-and-shoot RX100. The iPhone 13 Pro has me leaving my dSLR at home as well. I admit that I miss my 300mm zoom and the 10mm ultra wide angle for creative fun, but vacation snaps have never looked better than with an iPhone..
Works for me none of the time.
 

Apple fanboy

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Feb 21, 2012
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Damn..

DPReview was a huge resource when I purchased my first interchangeable lens DSLR.. I just checked and I still have *that* review for that camera in my bookmarks.

Maybe someone will still convince Amazon to sell it instead?

Doubtful.. but..

sigh
I’d be surprised if they hadn’t offered it for sale before the announcement. Perhaps a buyer might step in, but I suspect not.

It’s been a useful resource over the years for me as a photographer. But at work we have had a number of products reviewed on there over the years.

Sorry to see it go! @arn don’t follow their lead!
 

kc2kth

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I'll chime in as another who relied on dpreview whenever my wife needed a new piece of camera kit. I've relied on that site since 2004 or early 2005 when we bought her first real DSLR, a Nikon d70 shortly before the d70s was announced. Most recently referenced the site when replacing an 18-200 mm lens with a bad af motor, ended up with the 18-300 mm.
 
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erikkfi

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I know this is asking a lot, but I hope those who visited the site with their adblockers on will have a moment of reflection. Content isn't free, and there's an eventual cost to having too many free riders.

RIP DPReview, the original and best. Hopefully the Web Archive can preserve its content to some degree.
 

sparksd

macrumors G3
Jun 7, 2015
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Seattle WA
I know this is asking a lot, but I hope those who visited the site with their adblockers on will have a moment of reflection. Content isn't free, and there's an eventual cost to having too many free riders.

RIP DPReview, the original and best. Hopefully the Web Archive can preserve its content to some degree.

I don't think that made a bit of difference to Amazon - DPReview and its revenue would have been deep down in the noise for them. When you're laying off 27K employees, this probably looked like an easy target. Amazon execs likely wondered why they owned it in the first place.
 

Abazigal

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I know this is asking a lot, but I hope those who visited the site with their adblockers on will have a moment of reflection. Content isn't free, and there's an eventual cost to having too many free riders.

RIP DPReview, the original and best. Hopefully the Web Archive can preserve its content to some degree.

This seems more an attempt by Amazon to drop ancillary projects, and not mere expense reduction. I doubt any earnings hit caused by the ad blocking led to Amazon’s decision to axe the website. It would have been destined for the chopping block either way.
 
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