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Safari scrolling performance vs Intel

Gnattu

Gnattu

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M1 Processor said:
I tried uploaded a video of this performance in action. Its pretty disappointing and never occurring on my Intel machine. Since I refuse to touch Chrome I'm stuck with this.

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I found a workaround for this. Looks like google mess around with styling that made Safari unhappy.

Install Userscripts extension, add a new CSS with following content:
CSS: 
// ==UserScript==
// @name        FixYouTubeScrolling
// @description Stop improper styling, Google
// @match       *://*youtube.*
// ==/UserScript==
ytd-page-manager {
  overflow-y: unset !important;
}

#page-manager.ytd-app {
  overflow-x: unset !important;
}

Sample:
Screen Shot 2020-12-05 at 19.10.48.png


Save and refresh YouTube, you should now have Apple-like butter smooth scrolling.
 
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M1 Processor

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Gnattu said:
I found a workaround for this. Looks like google mess around with styling that made Safari unhappy.

Install Userscripts extension, add a new CSS with following content:
CSS: 
// ==UserScript==
// @name        FixYouTubeScrolling
// @description Stop improper styling, Google
// @match       *://*youtube.*
// ==/UserScript==
ytd-page-manager {
  overflow-y: unset !important;
}

#page-manager.ytd-app {
  overflow-x: unset !important;
}

Sample:
View attachment 1687608

Save and refresh YouTube, you should now have Apple-like butter smooth scrolling.
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This worked. Thanks!
 
theodorr

theodorr

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Jan 26, 2019
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Happens to my Air M1 too and on my friend's Pro M1 - both on 11.0.1. Safari is choppy, especially on facebook - it looks like I'm scrolling on my iPad 2 with iOS 9. Chrome is buttery smooth on the other hand... I would very much like to use Safari but at this point the dropped frames are really noticeable. My friend said that Safari hasn't been smooth for a while now (he's had an early 2015 MBP 13' previously)
 
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septianrishal

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Dec 27, 2020
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Yes, I finally found a representative thread.
The scrolling experience on my Macbook air m1 base model was laggy, choppy and patchy. I have tried all browsers the results remain the same.

Everyone talks about the fast benchmark performance, but doesn't talk about this. I hope Apple reads and fixes this serious problem, because I believe water users are intense browsing, not strenuous activities.
 
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EugenesSoggySalami

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Ive had my M1 Macbook Pro with 8GB of ram and 256GB of storage for over a month now and ever since I started to use it for the first time my scrolling on Safari and Chrome browsers have been janky, stuttery and choppy. Tried to reinstall Big Sur with no luck, also I installed it as a clean install with no backup. Its not my internet because I have 700mbps download and 100mbps upload. I only use my Macbook Pro for web browsing mainly, and when browsing more heavy websites like YouTube or just Macrumors I notice choppy scrolling, its not as noticeable when scrolling slowly, but as soon as I scroll faster it almost feels like Safari cant keep up with the rendering. Also weird fact is that my fans havent kicked in once yet, maybe because of light tasking, even after a month of use and I havent heard fans yet. Choppy scrolling also happens with Technology Preview version of Safari.
 
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scgf

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EugenesSoggySalami said:
Ive had my M1 Macbook Pro with 8GB of ram and 256GB of storage for over a month now and ever since I started to use it for the first time my scrolling on Safari and Chrome browsers have been janky, stuttery and choppy.
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I downloaded an app called Smooze. It's an Apple Silicon app and it runs in the background. It has made scrolling ultra smooth for me and I can now use my Logitech Trackball which scrolls beautifully using the scroll wheel. It's a very small app and you can try it out for 7 days before paying a small amount. It is designed for non-Apple mice. There are loads of parameters to tweak. Worth a try.
 
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nobackup

nobackup

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Gnattu said:
I intentionally made this only available for youtube. 99% of the websites I use everyday does not mess with Safari.
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shock ... so google is messing things up so that chrome looks good.... no never ... Do No Evil..
 
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jeanlain

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scgf said:
I downloaded an app called Smooze. It's an Apple Silicon app and it runs in the background. It has made scrolling ultra smooth for me and I can now use my Logitech Trackball which scrolls beautifully using the scroll wheel. It's a very small app and you can try it out for 7 days before paying a small amount. It is designed for non-Apple mice. I doesn't seem to do much for Safari, but I have tweaked the settings to suit Microsoft Edge. There are loads of parameters to tweak. Worth a try.
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That app should have no effect on scrolling with a trackpad or magic mouse.
It's important to distinguish between
- jumps during scrolling due to the lack of smooth scrolling using a standard scroll wheel on certain browsers
- stuttering due to insufficient performance (which I find dubious on an M1 Mac)
- lag/apparent stuttering due to how a website messes with scrolling (e.g. youtube)
 
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scgf

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Yes, Smooze is aimed at non-Apple mice. My Magic Mouse 2 is hopeless with Safari, but with Chrome or Edge is scrolls fairly smoothly but glitches if I scroll too fast. Using my Logitech trackball scroll wheel, scrolling is notchy - with Smooze enabled I can achieve a buttery smooth scroll. Safari is still unusable whatever I do.
 
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rob3r7o

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Sep 12, 2014
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Gnattu said:
I found a workaround for this. Looks like google mess around with styling that made Safari unhappy.

Install Userscripts extension, add a new CSS with following content:
CSS: 
// ==UserScript==
// @name        FixYouTubeScrolling
// @description Stop improper styling, Google
// @match       *://*youtube.*
// ==/UserScript==
ytd-page-manager {
  overflow-y: unset !important;
}

#page-manager.ytd-app {
  overflow-x: unset !important;
}

Sample:
View attachment 1687608

Save and refresh YouTube, you should now have Apple-like butter smooth scrolling.
Click to expand...
Thank you so much!!!!!!!
 
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mi7chy

mi7chy

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No issue with Chrome plus it works with Stadia game streaming that Safari doesn't.
 
Wildkraut

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MBA M1 7core gpu /16GB here, no problem scrolling with the trackpad on Safari, but I didn’t use a mouse with it, yet. YouTube scrolling feels smooth like on my Ryzen 128GB/NVidia2080S workstation.
 
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mszilard

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In may I bought a 13" intel MBP, the scolling in safari was choppy. I recently switched to a 13" M1 MBP, the scrolling is exactly as choppy with safari.
 
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Apple_Robert said:
Thanks for the video.

You have a slight stutter in your scrolling as well. If you slow your scrolling down to a more natural use, you will probably be able to see the same thing I am. I have found MR to be the most noticeable and erratic. That may be due to their software. I don't can't say for sure.
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Yeah i see what you mean, but that’s not M1 related. Here a slower scrolling at 60hz movie: https://streamable.com/32le19

It must be YouTubes bad coding practices, i’ll post scrolling inside Firefox on my Ryzen 3900x/2080S/128GB, give me a moment...
 
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On Firefox, Windows Ryzen 3900x/Nvidia2080S/128GB RAM: https://streamable.com/5lvxp6

Even worse, so it’s not the M1 fault...
It’s probably some Google Shizzle trying to track your scrolling behavior, or something like that, which kinda drags the scrolling experience everywhere down.

Edit:
The LG Display you see on this movie is running with 144Hz
It's probably due to all the APIs they love embed into their websites, Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc. all this bloatware drags the Browser rendering engine down. HTML Rendering is already not one of the fastest rendering out there, too much overhead, and with all that bloatware/adware inside it becomes even worse.
 
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kakaku

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did you find a workaround and yea i know it happens very rarely on other browser but it is still there, but in safari it is a bit more frequent.
Gnattu said:
I found a workaround for this. Looks like google mess around with styling that made Safari unhappy.

Install Userscripts extension, add a new CSS with following content:
CSS: 
// ==UserScript==
// @name        FixYouTubeScrolling
// @description Stop improper styling, Google
// @match       *://*youtube.*
// ==/UserScript==
ytd-page-manager {
  overflow-y: unset !important;
}

#page-manager.ytd-app {
  overflow-x: unset !important;
}

Sample:
View attachment 1687608

Save and refresh YouTube, you should now have Apple-like butter smooth scrolling.
Click to expand...
hey will it improve twitter and other websites also?
 
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