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Ralfi

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Apple gets criticized when they need to get criticized because they haven't been doing anything worth the money for the past 6 years. Samsung doesn't get a pass, they actual innovate and show great products, the Fold is at the first stage, the first iPhone was nothing like how it is today, same for the first Note. Things evolve and become better.
You don't like the Fold? Good for you. Have a nice day.
People aren’t understanding that these first gen Foldables are paving the way for others to evolve the form factor.

They just want to complain, thinking this Fold is how they’ll be in 3 years from now...short-sighted, impatient fools.

Look at the dual-fold screens in Westworld & get an idea of where this device is heading. Then jaws will drop...
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$2000 for a gen1 Samsung product that won't even be supported in maybe 2 years or so?

LOL.
What do you want them to do - spend big money on components not used on a grand scale, then charge only $200 more than their flagship Galaxy phone?

This device has the equivalent of at least 3 AMOLED screens & many more hardware components compared to a Galaxy phone, so a high asking price shouldn’t surprise.
 
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Ralfi

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I think for future designs (perhaps a few generations away), Samsung et al. should start with a bezel-free smaller screen (5.8") & work from there.

Looking at my iPhone X, & picturing it unfolding twice along its taller edge, it'd make for a very nice mini tablet. Resolution would be 4k-ish (3375x2436).

Call it the "Hinge" & thank me later ;)
 
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spinedoc77

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Sick phone, something I may consider if I ever wanted to go back to Android (which I doubt). Biggest gripe is how awful the smaller screen looks. I get that 21:9 is already too narrow and any taller would be very narrow, but still those bezels are monstrous. I will reserve full judgement until I can actually fondle one, but the pricing doesn't scare me for the functionality it offers. I do prefer the Xioami foldable that was shown a few weeks ago, much nicer design and most likely will be cheaper. This is the wild west right now, I feel like I'm back in the exciting days of the PocketPC, I'm excited to see what the market comes up with.
 

sracer

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People aren’t understanding that these first gen Foldables are paving the way for others to evolve the form factor.

They just want to complain, thinking this Fold is how they’ll be in 3 years from now...short-sighted, impatient fools.

Look at the dual-fold screens in Westworld & get an idea of where this device is heading. Then jaws will drop...
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What do you want them to do - spend big money on components not used on a grand scale, then charge only $200 more than their flagship Galaxy phone?

This device has the equivalent of at least 3 AMOLED screens & many more hardware components compared to a Galaxy phone, so a high asking price shouldn’t surprise.
You're making it more complicated than it needs to be. Much of the criticism is simply because it is Samsung, who for the Apple faithful, is the "enemy".

Whether it is Lenovo and their Yoga Book, or the Samsung and the Galaxy Fold, I appreciate companies that do something "daring". The mainstream often doesn't "get it" because these are not mainstream devices... but people being as self-centered as they are, believe, "if the device isn't for me then it shouldn't exist".
 

Ralfi

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You're making it more complicated than it needs to be. Much of the criticism is simply because it is Samsung, who for the Apple faithful, is the "enemy".

Like this guy...who says the Fold makes him want to quit his job lol...sure buddy...

Yeah, most of the whining is coming from opposition fan bois I agree, but I’m noticing people on Android showing a bit of ignorance too.

People (online) are quick to put blockers on anything new because it doesn’t suit them. I’ve seen this on the Apple side, with Airpods, the move away from a Home buttoned iPhone & Face ID. Many (not all) now see how quick to judge they were on these major changes.

It’s ironic that you see so many people (online) wanting things changed-up because they’re “bored” of their phones, yet when companies think differently, the whiners pipe up & dismiss the innovation instantly...
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I do prefer the Xioami foldable that was shown a few weeks ago, much nicer design and most likely will be cheaper.

It’s a more ergonomic design yeah, but susceptible to scratches as you won’t be able to place it down (front or back) without its screen resting on the surface.
 

csurfr

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Anyone seen this yet? From 9to5google...

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spinedoc77

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It’s a more ergonomic design yeah, but susceptible to scratches as you won’t be able to place it down (front or back) without its screen resting on the surface.

Yeah absolutely, I'd prefer Samsung's design of a protected inner screen. But I like how when it's a phone the Xioami model has minimal bezels. Decisions decisions, lol. Honestly I'm pretty giddy, this stuff is awesome and at least we are not doing the same boring cookie cutter phone anymore. Seems like the most exciting topic these past 2 years in the smartphone world has been about notches.
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Better first effort than I expected but still too many compromises, especially at that price point. The giant notch in 'tablet mode' is off-putting to my eye and there is too much unused space on the 'phone' side. Also, that square aspect ratio means video content will essentially be as big as it is on my current Max or 3 XL..no benefit there. And considering how terribly Android used existing traditional aspect ratios on tablets, I have little faith that apps will work well on the Fold. The thickness of the device folded and durability of a folding screen are also concerns.

Kudos for a first effort but I think we're still a couple generations away from true viability.

I'm torn here, the aspect ratio is pretty awesome for web browsing/books/news apps but crappy for videos. I definitely spend way more time on the former and rarely watch more than an occasional youtube video on my phone or even my tablets, but that's just me. I think this is going to be an issue universally for a while because you can't really physically change how much screen 2 folded out phones will give unless you make the phone part of it unwieldy.
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You're willing to compromise experience on both? Good on you. Samsung has to prove this thing's value to the rest of us who want the best smartphone AND the best tablet without silly compromises.

The $330 iPad is a better tablet than this and the iPhone XR is a better smart phone that this.

No offense intended, but it just seems like common sense that the viability of this device is convenience. The convenience of not having to carry around a tablet and a phone. If we followed your argument then we'd all be lugging around desktops instead of laptops. News flash, even a smartphone is a compromise as many now use it as their main PC, or at least a PC away from home/work.

I'm not saying Samsung's device will be successful, there are a lot of negatives to it, but it's really just a glorified beta product. Design will improve and other companies will have innovations as well. Don't throw out the entire market just because the first iteration is not the best. That $330 ipad is the best until I actually am not carrying it and then it becomes utterly useless. That's the ultimate compromise, leaving my tablet at home because I don't want to lug it around.
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I mean, I watched the keynote and I understand the 7.3 inch screen open and you can view maps in desktop mode view but the issue I'm having is what's the specific use for the fold? what apps are gonna utilize the fold or what android apps are worth the fold at that screen size? I'm not knocking it, looks cool but this can easily be the iPad pro-2018 with all the looks and speed and blah, blah but the software doesn't really keep up with the actual use of the hardware.

As of right now IMO you can get a ipad and s10+ and save 500 bucks IMO.... best of both words and spend a few bucks on a celluar plan for the tablet but as of right now I don't really know the purpose of it.

The note 9 multitasking is pretty good.

You could also get a flip phone and a pad of paper and save $1750.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

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Yeah, most of the whining is coming from opposition fan bois I agree, but I’m noticing people on Android showing a bit of ignorance too.

People (online) are quick to put blockers on anything new because it doesn’t suit them. I’ve seen this on the Apple side, with Airpods, the move away from a Home buttoned iPhone & Face ID. Many (not all) now see how quick to judge they were on these major changes.

It’s ironic that you see so many people (online) wanting things changed-up because they’re “bored” of their phones, yet when companies think differently, the whiners pipe up & dismiss the innovation instantly...
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I think the major difference is ..... Samsung actual gives the consumers what they ask for, while Apple forces changes on consumers. Not saying Samsung is perfect by any means or hasn't added or removed a feature against the majority of their consumer's liking. But for the most part, Samsung has no choice but to rely on what the majority of their consumers want. Apple still has the luxury of having consumers trapped in their ecosystem.
 

csurfr

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I would like to see the actual width of that front screen...it looks like it’s thinner (width) than an iPhone se. How are you supposed to type on that? Or am I expected to open it every time I want to send a quick message?
 

Cryates

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Did anybody catch the look of the display glare when that dude help it up unfolded on stage? Quite frankly, the material looked terrible in that scenario. Now the hands-on demo looked fine, because they surely controlled the lighting for the area. I understand that it cannot be glass, but the display looked like some cheap plasticky mess for those quick few seconds.
 

Ralfi

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New vid...

Ok, watching this, I like it more. Sure, the folded screen’s too small & thick, but I think that’s offset by its one-handed practicality due to how skinny it is (in width), allowing a one-hand wrap-around of the device.

It’ll sell better than people think imo. The exclusive factor & appeal of an all-in-one device in your pocket will drive it. It’s a decent effort from Samsung.

BUT, it all depends on the software. It needs to be slick & seamless as you transition from folded to unfolded, which Samsung say they’ve nailed...let’s hope.

(I’m only half way through the vid btw...so I’m hyping :D)
 
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Aneres11

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I don’t know why people are so up in arms about other people having a negative view of this design.

I’ve been shot down for it too. It’s as if this alternative section has become some Samsung shrine and uuu can’t say anything bad.

For the record, I am not against a folding phone. Far from it. When the Samsung fold is open it looks great. When closed I personally think it looks horrible.
Does that mean I’m against change and need to stop moaning? No. I just don’t like it.

Of course we can all vote with our wallet, so if you want to embrace the new tech and get behind it then by all means go for it. I won’t be, but just because I’m not blown away by way I’m seeing doesn’t mean that I’m short sighted or that I don’t appreciate what Samsung are doing. It’s merely an opinion.

That new vid does make it look better than it did in the even from Wednesday.
 
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Ralfi

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I don’t know why people are so up in arms about other people having a negative view of this design.

I’ve been shot down for it too. It’s as if this alternative section has become some Samsung shrine and uuu can’t say anything bad.

For the record, I am not against a folding phone. Far from it. When the Samsung fold is open it looks great. When closed I personally think it looks horrible.
Does that mean I’m against change and need to stop moaning? No. I just don’t like it.

Of course we can all vote with our wallet, so if you want to embrace the new tech and get behind it then by all means go for it. I won’t be, but just because I’m not blown away by way I’m seeing doesn’t mean that I’m short sighted or that I don’t appreciate what Samsung are doing. It’s merely an opinion.

That new vid does make it look better than it did in the even from Wednesday.
Forget about those targeting the man. Let’s just focus on the device. :D
 

Ffosse

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I just don't use my iPad enough to want a foldable. When my iPad dies (10.5" Pro) maybe then I'll look see what Apple have to offer. I've a feeling Apple will get it right in 2-3 years.
 

mrex

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I just don't use my iPad enough to want a foldable. When my iPad dies (10.5" Pro) maybe then I'll look see what Apple have to offer. I've a feeling Apple will get it right in 2-3 years.

if they cant do better 3 years later than 1st gen products 3 years earlier, then they do something horrible wrong.

i dont get that ”apple makes things right”. well, no **** sherlock, when they do them years later with much advanced technology.

i want to see, atleast once in my life, what kind of terrific product apple would release nowadays being first in the market before others. well, in a reality i would be 6 feet under before that happens...

atleast we know that they are great introducing faulty keyboards, touchscreen issues, uneven displays, speakers blowing up - that no other company manage to do with the same success.
 
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Cryates

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That looks fine, but any foldable phone will need to fold inward to be practical. Imagine the damage that screen will take in pockets, bags, etc.
 
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