Samsung Galaxy III blows past 4S preorders, "most preordered gadget in history".

[kdarling]

Pretend you had a great idea. An idea that could change the world. Someone found out about your great idea and both of you made that idea come to life. However, you are not making as much sales compared to the thief. I don't know about you, but if for me, I would be the angriest person on earth. I'd sue this thief with every power I can possibly give. It was I who deserved the large sales, not the thief.

Sure, if you're talking about something you invented. That's what confirmed patents are for. In some parts of the world, designs are also protected by various legal means.

However, I think that you might be confusing making something popular, with inventing that something.

Apple did not invent touchscreen phones or flick scrolling or pinch zoom or rounded icons or apps or the green slanted phone icon.

Apple POPULARIZED some of those things, which is totally different from INVENTING them.

It's just like when Cadillac made fins popular in the 1950s and every other maker copied them. But Cadillac didn't invent them.

Regardless, nobody was doing these thing until Apple did. The general public didn't even become aware of touch gestures until 2008, which means that Apple deserves monopoly status.

Of course people were doing those things. Just not people YOU knew. Mass consumer ignorance does not provide legal protection.

That's why Apple got their pending trademark for "Multi-touch" taken away. Jeff Han's company wrote the Trademark Office and pointed out that the term and technology predated the iPhone by quite some time.

 

[smoledman]

Apple POPULARIZED some of those things, which is totally different from INVENTING them.

Sure Apple didn't technically invent these things, but they did invent the complete package called the iPhone and they deserve protection for that complete PACKAGE.

 

[belvdr]

The fact is Apple invented pinch-to-zoom, bounce animation, slide-to-unlock, 4-icon dock, rounded rectangular chassis. None of these things are FRAND and Samsung/HTC should be sued out of existence for blatant THEFT.

1 step forward...

Ok LG Prada was first to have the rounded rectangle and 4-icon dock, but none of the other things. Apple was the first to put Pinch-to-zoom on a mobile phone.

Sure Apple didn't technically invent these things, but they did invent the complete package called the iPhone and they deserve protection for that complete PACKAGE.

2 steps back. You back pedal so well.

So, now you say Apple didn't invent these things. What happened to suing someone out of existence for blatant theft? The ideas are the patents, not the entire package.

I didn't say they don't deserve IP protection. I disputed your claim that they deserve a monopoly.

 

[rhett7660]

This is more in-line with Apple's strategy against Samsung.

Yes because this is what Apple does and only does and no other company ever does this. Ever. Yeah ok.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

I want Samsung to discontinue their smartphones because it was stolen. Pretend you had a great idea. An idea that could change the world. Someone found out about your great idea and both of you made that idea come to life. However, you are not making as much sales compared to the thief. I don't know about you, but if for me, I would be the angriest person on earth. I'd sue this thief with every power I can possibly give. It was I who deserved the large sales, not the thief.

What exactly is stolen?

I believe this has been ask multiple times before and never answered. WHAT EXACTLY has been stolen?

Apple has more or less been acting like a patent troll lately. Throwing crap lawsuits and crapents to see what sticks.

 

[G51989]

Sure Apple didn't technically invent these things, but they did invent the complete package called the iPhone and they deserve protection for that complete PACKAGE.

Package? Of being a smart phone? Smart Phones have been around well before the iphone.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Sure Apple didn't technically invent these things, but they did invent the complete package called the iPhone and they deserve protection for that complete PACKAGE.

The ONLY thing Apple really added to the package was the multitouch stuff.
Hell the only reason Apple really got the multitouch is they did not have to deal with legacy devices and so they could start pretty fresh with the captive multitouch screens. Plus they lack dealing with legacy code the other OS at the time had to deal with.

Being able to start fresh let them add in the one piece. Multitouch based UI.

Everything else (touch base UI, apps ect) had been out there for years.

 

[G51989]

The ONLY thing Apple really added to the package was the multitouch stuff.
Hell the only reason Apple really got the multitouch is they did not have to deal with legacy devices and so they could start pretty fresh with the captive multitouch screens. Plus they lack dealing with legacy code the other OS at the time had to deal with.

Being able to start fresh let them add in the one piece. Multitouch based UI.

Everything else (touch base UI, apps ect) had been out there for years.

Multitouch has been around before Apple as well, Apple was just the first people do put it into a mainstream device as far as I remember, Apple holds Patents on a couple of motions. But they do not hold a Patent on Multi Touch.

 

[roadbloc]

I want Samsung to discontinue their smartphones because it was stolen. Pretend you had a great idea. An idea that could change the world. Someone found out about your great idea and both of you made that idea come to life. However, you are not making as much sales compared to the thief. I don't know about you, but if for me, I would be the angriest person on earth. I'd sue this thief with every power I can possibly give. It was I who deserved the large sales, not the thief.

.... you don't even know the first thing about the tech industry do you?

 

[smoledman]

What exactly is stolen?

I believe this has been ask multiple times before and never answered. WHAT EXACTLY has been stolen?

Apple has more or less been acting like a patent troll lately. Throwing crap lawsuits and crapents to see what sticks.

Why do you think you're more qualified then patent judges who have ruled against Samsung? Maybe you should actually read the patent descriptions.

 

[ani4ani]

Why do you think you're more qualified then patent judges who have ruled against Samsung? Maybe you should actually read the patent descriptions.

And those that have ruled against Apple?

 

[smoledman]

And those that have ruled against Apple?

It's all part of the game. Apple wins most of these because they are the biggest innovator. Not saying perfect, just better.

 

[G51989]

It's all part of the game. Apple wins most of these because they are the biggest innovator. Not saying perfect, just better.

How is Apple the biggest innovator?

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the iPhone was not the first smartphone, that came about seven years eariler.

Not the first phone with a touch screen.

Not the first phone with Apps

Not the first phone to be able to go on the internet

The list goes on and on.

the iPhone really isn't a first for anything. It was just the first smartphone to get super popular. Almost everything in it was thought up by someone else first.

That doesn't make it any less of an awesome phone. But most of its ideas were brought up in market by companies like Palm.

 

[kdarling]

Why do you think you're more qualified then patent judges who have ruled against Samsung? Maybe you should actually read the patent descriptions.

What patent judge has ruled against Samsung with respect to an Apple patent?

The judge in the Netherlands wrote that he thought some of Apple's patents would be overturned if challenged.

The very experienced judge in Chicago was amused at some of Apple's patent and trade dress claims and told them to come up with a better strategy.

The judge in California told Apple that they didn't have enought evidence that their patents wouldn't be overturned, and denied their request for an injunction against Samsung.

The judge in Australia who did grant a preliminary Tab injunction, did not make any final ruling on the patents one way or the other, and a higher court overturned her injunction for bad judgement anyway.

I could eaisly be having a memory lapse, but I cannot think of an actual Apple win on any patent dispute with Samsung yet. Mind you, Samsung is having the same poor luck against Apple, mostly. (An ITC judge did recently issue a preliminary ruling that Apple has infringed on Samsung patents related to 3G and noise reduction.)

 

[Rodimus Prime]

It's all part of the game. Apple wins most of these because they are the biggest innovator. Not saying perfect, just better.

Umm Apple has lost most of them.

The ones that have gone in Apple's favor have been easy to get around which means that they were not stolen and meh at best.

 

[KnightWRX]

Yes because this is what Apple does and only does and no other company ever does this. Ever. Yeah ok.

Hum, don't remember saying that. But if you say so, it must be true ... uh ?

 

[devilstrider]

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You might want to read the OP.

And here's the source.

I guess you're not really a technology enthusiast, only a fan of Apple, if you can't even grasp the fact that technology improves?

lol Owned his ass.

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Oh great.
Another god awful android phone by Samesung!
These people are idiots.
The iPhone 4S is THE phone to have. It beats every other phone in every single category I can think of.

Why the hell people are pre-ordering this plastic piece of crap is beyond me.
it'll break the first time it is in your pocket and you bend over!!
I assume its because its being given away Buy One Get One free that they have to do with every single android phone as they are all competely rubbish!

The day all other phone operators go bankrupt will be great, as finally all us iphone owners can go around hi-fiving each other as the world will see what great purchasing decisions we made.


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Apple is a luxury brand.
It shows us to be better people than all the poor and stupid morons with their stupid crappy cheap androind junk (i can't bear to call an android device a phone as they are such rubbish they don't deserve to be called a phone).

Apple is a status symbol. FACT

You really are slow as hell man. Get a life please. I have a iPhone and a GSII (about to get the GSIII), but I guess I'm poor because I use a Android phone.

 

[kevinfulton.ca]

Wonder why the HTC One X isn't stealing more of the spotlight?

Money. Samsung has significantly more marketing power then HTC. Just wait until the next Olympics start. Samsung's a key sponsor and you'll be seeing their logo everywhere. I do wish HTC had that kind of money, because even though I'm an iPhone user I'd take the One X or S over the S3 any day...............if somebody put a gun to my head to switch to Android

 

[smoledman]

Money. Samsung has significantly more marketing power then HTC. Just wait until the next Olympics start. Samsung's a key sponsor and you'll be seeing their logo everywhere. I do wish HTC had that kind of money, because even though I'm an iPhone user I'd take the One X or S over the S3 any day...............if somebody put a gun to my head to switch to Android

If Microsoft is smart, they'll have blown up Windows Phones at the O2.

 

[PlatinuM195]

the iPhone was not the first smartphone

It was the first to commoditize the smartphone

Not the first phone with a touch screen.

It was the first phone people actually wanted to touch. Before that what were there? A plethora of resistive touchscreens, UIs which felt like mini desktop UIs. Even phones with capacitive touch at the time had terrible UX.

Not the first phone with Apps

It was the first with a highly successful app-store model

Not the first phone to be able to go on the internet

The first to make mobile internet browsing an enjoyable experience. While they didn't invent the internet, the browser, multi-touch or mobile internet, the iPhone was a decent step forward for mobile browsing. The thought of browsing on Symbian/Palm OS devices compared to now...

 

[KnightWRX]

It was the first to commoditize the smartphone

Not really.

The iPhone was the first usable Internet browsing device (everything before it basically sucked, webkit on the iPhone really shone in 2007).

Smartphones though were around and commoditized way before. The Blackberry was already known as the crackberry and was getting into consumer hands (albeit slowly due to very low subsidies, making the handsets expensive even on contract).

 

[G51989]

It was the first to commoditize the smartphone

Yeah, no. They were around before, BackBerries, Palms, Pocket PCs. My first smart phone was a Pocket PC running Windows, forget the exact make of the phone though, I THINK it might have been an HP. Could do tons of stuff, mine even had a GPS chip in it, which was pretty crazy for the time.

It was the first phone people actually wanted to touch. Before that what were there? A plethora of resistive touchscreens, UIs which felt like mini desktop UIs. Even phones with capacitive touch at the time had terrible UX.

The touch screens back in the day weren't amazing, but I never had a single problem with any of them. They did their job just fine.

It was the first with a highly successful app-store model

That it was, but that doesn't mean they invented phone apps or the App store. Not that it effects me much, because I don't really download any apps on either of my phones ( work=iphone, personal = samsung replenish )

The first to make mobile internet browsing an enjoyable experience. While they didn't invent the internet, the browser, multi-touch or mobile internet, the iPhone was a decent step forward for mobile browsing. The thought of browsing on Symbian/Palm OS devices compared to now...

Thats an opinion, I never had any issues on my Pocket PC Smartphone running Windows Mobile, sure it didnt have a ton of games, but as far as work went, I never ran into a single issue with it, browsing the web was just fine. At least for me.

 

[smoledman]

Also I don't understand why anyone would want a 4.8" phone, it's too big.

 

[PlatinuM195]

Not really.

The iPhone was the first usable Internet browsing device (everything before it basically sucked, webkit on the iPhone really shone in 2007).

Smartphones though were around and commoditized way before. The Blackberry was already known as the crackberry and was getting into consumer hands (albeit slowly due to very low subsidies, making the handsets expensive even on contract).

The Blackberry was definitely popular (even among some consumers) but it doesn't seem as if it reached the same level of market penetration among non-techies as the iPhone, and maybe mindshare/brand recognition too.

 

[KnightWRX]

The Blackberry was definitely popular (even among some consumers) but it doesn't seem as if it reached the same level of market penetration among non-techies as the iPhone, and maybe mindshare/brand recognition too.

Brand recognition was there. It was just too early. People didn't yet discover they had the need for mobility Internet nor were data plans even affordable back in those days.

Not to mention SMS was (and still is) the top best way to communicate, something phones other than the blackberry did very well (although the BB did it better, albeit, no one was going to pay 499$ for a handset to do it).

Smartphones definitely were popular before the iPhone, hence what inspired Apple in making their device. They also quickly found out why the BlackBerries weren't flying off consumer shelves very early on : subsidized pricing is required (remember the price of the iPhone back in July 2007).