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Shanghaichica

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Wow, I just spent the evening watching my husband test out his Huawei P20 Pro. It’s really impressive.

Size-wise, the near bezel-free/notched 6.1" of the P20 Pro is great imo. I couldn't pocket the Note myself...I'd have to alter my wardrobe to house the thing & access it sans-awkwardness...
 
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Shanghaichica

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Size-wise, the near bezel-free/notched 6.1" of the P20 Pro is great imo. I couldn't pocket the Note myself...I'd have to alter my wardrobe to house the thing & access it sans-awkwardness...
I really don’t like the home button/fingerprint sensor on the front of the p20 Pro It looks out of place. However the fact that it can be used as a trackpad is pretty cool.
 
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JaySoul

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Got my tracking number for my phone overnight. Took Samsung up on the $450 trade in for my Pixel XL2. Haven't used a Note since the 5 and looking forward to it. I love smart watches but am really torn on whether I want to pick up the Galaxy Watch. I love my apple watch and I know with the announcements coming in 2 or so weeks I'll end up picking up a new apple watch, so the galaxy watch would probably be a waste.

$450?!

I've got a Pixel 2 XL and in the UK, Samsung offered me £100 for a trade in!!!
 

JaySoul

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CPW offer a lot more for Pixels if you do it before Friday.

Thanks for that, checked their website but it's a bit borked.

Pixel 2 XL 128GB option is £350 which is great, but they don't have the 64GB option. Will have a think, though!
 

ramram55

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Indeed I have, and they above all, prove the point I was making. Again, I said, there is not a single Android OEM that would get away with selling a phone that looks as dated as the iPhone 8/8 Plus.
Google sold less than 4 million Pixels in 2017. In an industry of 1.5 billion phones, that sales number would clearly fall under, not getting away with it. Good thing Google isn't dependent on the Pixel the way Apple is dependent on the iPhone. Nonetheless, my statement stands true.
In their own world of Google and Apple, it would be their own devices rule, the 'other world' there are billions of population such as China and India, think the Chinese products are cheaper and work just as good as the so call premium brands.
To average consumers what they are happy with call, text and data work, not waterproof or wireless charge. Hence Samsung and Apple with their market share are shrinking. It is a business theory that consumers are not buying from you. The result is obvious.
 

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Indeed I have, and they above all, prove the point I was making. Again, I said, there is not a single Android OEM that would get away with selling a phone that looks as dated as the iPhone 8/8 Plus.
Google sold less than 4 million Pixels in 2017. In an industry of 1.5 billion phones, that sales number would clearly fall under, not getting away with it. Good thing Google isn't dependent on the Pixel the way Apple is dependent on the iPhone. Nonetheless, my statement stands true.

That's not a 1:1 comparison because there is no universe where the Pixel is even meant to compete with Apple, sales wise. They're not being punished or rewarded for any one decision because they're just not risking much with their phones. They're barely interested in the hardware game.

And yes, there's a reason Apple customers continually return to the phone: because they love the OS and ecosystem.

I can't believe ten years on, we're still insisting iOS's popularity is due to "sheep".
 

BoxerGT2.5

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$450?!

I've got a Pixel 2 XL and in the UK, Samsung offered me £100 for a trade in!!!

Yeah I was shocked actually, checked Swappa and the going rate seems to be $500-550 for a 64gb Panda. Figured now's the time before Google releases it's successor. Hopefully the trade in goes smoother than Googles did last year. :mad:
 

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It seems as though the 512GB version is more popular than Samsung anticipated. Probably why it’s back ordered.



Most Galaxy Note 9 pre-order customers have opted for 512GB storage

https://www.sammobile.com/2018/08/21/galaxy-note-9-pre-order-customers-opted-
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The last Samsung phone that I saw get back ordered like this was the note 7. There seems to be some hype for this phone despite the naysayers.

This would make sense considering what the Note is and why its fanbase buys it. It was always for power users, so naturally power users are gonna go for the beastier version. Also, this is purely anecdotal, but I think Note owners tend to hold on to their phones for a few years. This one is as future proofed as you can get.
 

Shanghaichica

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This would make sense considering what the Note is and why its fanbase buys it. It was always for power users, so naturally power users are gonna go for the beastier version. Also, this is purely anecdotal, but I think Note owners tend to hold on to their phones for a few years. This one is as future proofed as you can get.
If I get one I’d get the 512GB version. The tech junkie in me is craving all that ram, the battery, storage and the added features of the S pen. I had the original galaxy note and for the past few years the note line hasn’t really been all that different to the plus phones. I feel like the first time in a long time the note is catering to the power users.
 

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If I get one I’d get the 512GB version. The tech junkie in me is craving all that ram, the battery, storage and the added features of the S pen. I had the original galaxy note and for the past few years the note line hasn’t really been all that different to the plus phones. I feel like the first time in a long time the note is catering to the power users.

YES. They've changed the S line so much that the Plus phone is virtually the same phone as the Note, minus the s-pen. That last part is either a big deal to you or not.

And yeah, I had to get the 512 version. I couldn't possibly own a Note that's an inch less than another version.
 
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I just can't wait for my n9 512gb in 2 days time. And for the first time, I never need to worry about taking lots of videos on vacation. Plus my music/movie collection without ever worrying running out of space or the need to constantly juggling space.
 
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I can't believe ten years on, we're still insisting iOS's popularity is due to "sheep".
I don’t think that’s what he was saying exactly. iOS is deservedly popular, but because it is so, and because iOS is only offered on Apple hardware, Apple can get away with letting some things slide a bit because its customers are less likely to stray. Even if dissatisfied that Android devices offer better specs and performance for the price.

I mean that’s definitely the case with me. iOS is still very important to me. It is difficult to envision ever leaving it entirely. I can only bide my time and hope Apple starts feeling hungry and competitive again so that they bring key features up to par with what the competitors are offering. Until they do, I’m going to keep on toting two and sometimes three smartphones around.
 

Truefan31

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Apple used to be leaders, but they're now drunk on power. I'm referring to their power over their users. Apple know their users are accepting of anything they do (and I mean ANYTHING), and because of that, they'll keep offering the bare minimum until they start losing customers. There's not a single Android OEM that would get away with selling a phone that looks as dated as the iPhone 8/8 Plus. Then there's the notch. Let's not forget, it was an Android phone that had the notch first, and it wasn't even as big as the X's notch. Nonetheless, the tech world made fun of it like it was a cheap Chinese knock off design. And now, the tech media (including Android sites) are saying Android phones are copying the X and it's notch. What? lol. These so called tech sites, especially the Android ones, should know better than to spew such garbage. So, when a company holds this kind of influence, they won't be anywhere near the front leading the industry. Nope, they'll be somewhere in the middle, in cruise control, with no care or desire to accelerate to the front.

I believe apple had a patent on their “notch” design in 2016.

The essential phone was basically a startup. So it’s hard to believe that these other Android oems didn’t mimic apple after seeing the X. Looking at the Motorola P30 would tend to support this notion as well.

Google after mocking apples removal of the hp jack goes ahead and does the same. Now it looks like the pixel 3 will have an even more pronounced notch than apple.

The note 9 looks to be a solid iteration. Avoiding the notch for now and keeping the hp jack will help with being different than other Android oems. I’m sure they’re hoping on it after the slow s9 sales
 
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I don’t think that’s what he was saying exactly. iOS is deservedly popular, but because it is so, and because iOS is only offered on Apple hardware, Apple can get away with letting some things slide a bit because its customers are less likely to stray. Even if dissatisfied that Android devices offer better specs and performance for the price.

I think that's what *you* are saying. What he said is something else:

Apple know their users are accepting of anything they do (and I mean ANYTHING), and because of that, they'll keep offering the bare minimum until they start losing customers.

That's the old "Apple sheep" argument.

I mean that’s definitely the case with me. iOS is still very important to me. It is difficult to envision ever leaving it entirely. I can only bide my time and hope Apple starts feeling hungry and competitive again so that they bring key features up to par with what the competitors are offering. Until they do, I’m going to keep on toting two and sometimes three smartphones around.

I don't disagree with much of what you've written otherwise.
 
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5105973

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I think that's what *you* are saying. What he said is something else:



That's the old "Apple sheep" argument.



I don't disagree with much of what you've written otherwise.
Lol, okay but I have to admit, toting two or three phones around, I do sometimes feel SHEEPish about it. :D

Actually, puns aside, as a customer I do feel a bit led about the nose by Apple sometimes. If I could do without iOS, I surely would be determined to part ways with Apple entirely NOW, because losing the headphone port and then Touch ID was significantly inconvenient for me. Also, when I owned the X, seeing photos taken on a phone costing well above $1000 suffer from noticeable softness or loss of detail, mosaic-like artifacts, and blown out highlights was galling when these things do not happen on even older phones costing hundreds less. It’s kind of hard to swallow these flaws on a phone that cost so dearly and took away more convenience than it gave back—to me personally. I couldn’t do it. If Apple hadn’t also offered the iPhone 8 Plus, I guess to keep on iOS I’d just be back on the SE. (I would have kept my 7 Plus but it was showing signs of imminent premature death and was out of warranty. I wanted to ditch it while it still had trade in value).

@Sevanw and I may not be saying precisely the same thing, but we are trying to make very closely related points. I can’t speak for Sevanw, but I know I myself would never intentionally put my points in insulting terms. People buy what they buy and their reasons are their own and I respect that.
 

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Lol, okay but I have to admit, toting two or three phones around, I do sometimes feel SHEEPish about it. :D

Actually, puns aside, as a customer I do feel a bit led about the nose by Apple sometimes. If I could do without iOS, I surely would be determined to part ways with Apple entirely NOW, because losing the headphone port and then Touch ID was significantly inconvenient for me. Also, when I owned the X, seeing photos taken on a phone costing well above $1000 suffer from noticeable softness or loss of detail, mosaic-like artifacts, and blown out highlights was galling when these things do not happen on even older phones costing hundreds less. It’s kind of hard to swallow these flaws on a phone that cost so dearly and took away more convenience than it gave back—to me personally. I couldn’t do it. If Apple hadn’t also offered the iPhone 8 Plus, I guess to keep on iOS I’d just be back on the SE. (I would have kept my 7 Plus but it was showing signs of imminent premature death and was out of warranty. I wanted to ditch it while it still had trade in value).

@Sevanw and I may not be saying precisely the same thing, but we are trying to make very closely related points. I can’t speak for Sevanw, but I know I myself would never intentionally put my points in insulting terms. People buy what they buy and their reasons are their own and I respect that.

Personally, I've come to the conclusion that both OS's are magnificent and annoying in their own unique way. There is no one device I look to as a slam dunk anymore. Part of it is also boredom, I have been a fetish for this industry since RIM was the golden child. But they're all the same now. So I tend to just keep whatever is convenient for me at that time in my life depending on what my work and life call for.
 

Wildo6882

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Personally, I've come to the conclusion that both OS's are magnificent and annoying in their own unique way. There is no one device I look to as a slam dunk anymore. Part of it is also boredom, I have been a fetish for this industry since RIM was the golden child. But they're all the same now. So I tend to just keep whatever is convenient for me at that time in my life depending on what my work and life call for.

This is exactly how I feel right now. I can't decide between the two, because I love and hate both. I love that on iOS I know I'm going to be supported, get updated, and have generally minimal issues using my device and I can use iMessage with my family. However, I hate that it's SOOOOO DAMN boring. Why do we still have the same grid of icons? Why won't Apple let me use Chrome as my browser of choice? And so on... Then I love Android because of the options, and that I can make it work for me, and set it up as my heart desires. But I hate that I always have that little thought in my mind that if something were to go wrong, will I be supported? Or if there's an issue with the device, will this company push out the proper update? A Goldilocks phone DOES NOT exist for me right now.
 

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If I get one I’d get the 512GB version. The tech junkie in me is craving all that ram, the battery, storage and the added features of the S pen. I had the original galaxy note and for the past few years the note line hasn’t really been all that different to the plus phones. I feel like the first time in a long time the note is catering to the power users.

Totally agree. I ordered the 512 to let me hoard all the stuff I want on the device, lessening my need to depend on the cloud.
 

tonybarnaby

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Samsung should have included 8gb of ram as an upgrade for the base storage model at an extra price. You shouldn’t have to go for the 512 to get it.
 

widgeteer

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This is exactly how I feel right now. I can't decide between the two, because I love and hate both. I love that on iOS I know I'm going to be supported, get updated, and have generally minimal issues using my device and I can use iMessage with my family. However, I hate that it's SOOOOO DAMN boring. Why do we still have the same grid of icons? Why won't Apple let me use Chrome as my browser of choice? And so on... Then I love Android because of the options, and that I can make it work for me, and set it up as my heart desires. But I hate that I always have that little thought in my mind that if something were to go wrong, will I be supported? Or if there's an issue with the device, will this company push out the proper update? A Goldilocks phone DOES NOT exist for me right now.

Gave up caring about updates with Android. Support with Apple does play a role for me to a degree. I had SquareTrade on my pixel and it worked flawlessly when I needed it.

So: yeah, no perfect answer no matter what.
 

torana355

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I don’t think that’s what he was saying exactly. iOS is deservedly popular, but because it is so, and because iOS is only offered on Apple hardware, Apple can get away with letting some things slide a bit because its customers are less likely to stray. Even if dissatisfied that Android devices offer better specs and performance for the price.

I mean that’s definitely the case with me. iOS is still very important to me. It is difficult to envision ever leaving it entirely. I can only bide my time and hope Apple starts feeling hungry and competitive again so that they bring key features up to par with what the competitors are offering. Until they do, I’m going to keep on toting two and sometimes three smartphones around.
Really love your posts, always unbiased and fair.
 
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