Samsung Galaxy Note20 / Note20 Ultra

[Shanghaichica]

You mention how Samsung could differentiate itself from the iPhone and provide a better price value for the Note 20. And the point I was making was how the S-Pen is such a vital part in the Note series, something the iPhone lacks. No way I’m trying to declare that the S-Pen justifies a $1400 price tag.

And obviously you brought up the iPhone and that has to do with iOS. When it comes down to pricing a phone its all about the capabilities it provides for the end user. And as @SteveJUAE mention, Samsung does well by providing incentives to help with buying Galaxy phones.

We don’t really know how the camera will stack up on the 12 pro max. However off the bat the Note 20 + is likely to have the S pen and DeX and a larger display. Which justify the note costing more.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Positive review for the S20 ultra.

 

[Dave245]

We don’t really know how the camera will stack up on the 12 pro max. However off the bat the Note 20 + is likely to have the S pen and DeX and a larger display. Which justify the note costing more.

larger display? Are talking around 7” for the Note Plus?

 

[michael9891]

larger display? Are talking around 7” for the Note Plus?

I think she meant larger than the next iPhone, which is rumoured to be 6.7". And the largest Note will at least match the size of the S20 Ultra

 

[Fernandez21]

Hopefully just the rumors of a cheaper iPhone will get Samsung to release at a lower price.

 

[SteveJUAE]

You mention how Samsung could differentiate itself from the iPhone and provide a better price value for the Note 20. And the point I was making was how the S-Pen is such a vital part in the Note series, something the iPhone lacks. No way I’m trying to declare that the S-Pen justifies a $1400 price tag.

And obviously you brought up the iPhone and that has to do with iOS. When it comes down to pricing a phone its all about the capabilities it provides for the end user. And as @SteveJUAE mention, Samsung does well by providing incentives to help with buying Galaxy phones.

I think you are answering this back to front

The real question is why Iphones are only $200 less and not lower

Just comparing sticker price is not the whole story as we know Samsung phones and others come with more in the box and bundled

True cost of ownership is usually much more with Iphones

 

[Ludatyk]

Hopefully just the rumors of a cheaper iPhone will get Samsung to release at a lower price.

I don't understand this idea of a cheaper iPhone... I understand that there's rumors that Apple plans to release 4 iPhones and that the entry level will be cheaper.

But the Pro models will be north of 1k, especially the Pro Max. Now, I do hope that premium model price of the Note matches the Pro Max. But when it comes down to the premium model of the Note, Samsung is always known to pack so much features that gives the Pro Max a run for its money.

The point I'm making, yes... I'm hoping Samsung reconsider pricing the upcoming Note 1400 bucks. However, when you consider the highest tier Pro Max model is $1449. Let's not forget Apple has storage tiers.

 

[Awesomesince86]

I don't understand this idea of a cheaper iPhone... I understand that there's rumors that Apple plans to release 4 iPhones and that the entry level will be cheaper.

But the Pro models will be north of 1k, especially the Pro Max. Now, I do hope that premium model price of the Note matches the Pro Max. But when it comes down to the premium model of the Note, Samsung is always known to pack so much features that gives the Pro Max a run for its money.

The point I'm making, yes... I'm hoping Samsung reconsider pricing the upcoming Note 1400 bucks. However, when you consider the highest tier Pro Max model is $1449. Let's not forget Apple has storage tiers.

The upcoming Pro Max is rumored to start at $1099. Thats significantly cheaper than the S20 Ultra. Given the current state of phone pricing, I would argue that $1099 for the best model iPhone is a bargain.

 

[SteveJUAE]

The upcoming Pro Max is rumored to start at $1099. Thats significantly cheaper than the S20 Ultra. Given the current state of phone pricing, I would argue that $1099 for the best model iPhone is a bargain.

You would argue with that sort of logic

Comparing one OEM phone price from buoyant times and comparing to another OEM possible price in less buoyant times makes no compelling argument

It's equally likely that any new OEM's releases could be perceived as a bargain in less buoyant times compared to equivalent previous pricing

So following your logic chances are Samsung should be a better bargain as they were previously and should only get better

 

[Awesomesince86]

You would argue with that sort of logic

Comparing one OEM phone price from buoyant times and comparing to another OEM possible price in less buoyant times makes no compelling argument

It's equally likely that any new OEM's releases could be perceived as a bargain in less buoyant times compared to equivalent previous pricing

So following your logic chances are Samsung should be a better bargain as they were previously and should only get better

As always, heavy with the condescension.

I'm going off the currently available information. What makes more sense logically...to assume Samsung will keep the same pricing as the phones they just released or to assume they will decrease their price based on nothing other than guesswork?

There arent enough credible leaks on the Note 20 to say what pricing may be or what features may be added. My original post was that if the iPhone contains a 120Hz display, with 5G, and maintains iPhone Pro Max like battery life it will be a bargain at $1099 compared to the rest of the market.

Now one could bring up things like, well the trade-in preorder and bundled accessories make the actual retail value of a flagship Samsung device cheaper. And sure, it does. But then once you go to sell the device afterwards it has depreciated a ton as Samsung devices always do so that pre-order discount may end up a wash. Theres a lot of variables there that change things. Whereas you can count on the iPhone holding its resale value.

But go ahead and make assumptions and discredit mine. But dont fool yourself by saying things are equally likely just because you want them to be true. Go off information available and not your own personal bias.

 

[Shanghaichica]

As always, heavy with the condescension.

I'm going off the currently available information. What makes more sense logically...to assume Samsung will keep the same pricing as the phones they just released or to assume they will decrease their price based on nothing other than guesswork?

There arent enough credible leaks on the Note 20 to say what pricing may be or what features may be added. My original post was that if the iPhone contains a 120Hz display, with 5G, and maintains iPhone Pro Max like battery life it will be a bargain at $1099 compared to the rest of the market.

Now one could bring up things like, well the trade-in preorder and bundled accessories make the actual retail value of a flagship Samsung device cheaper. And sure, it does. But then once you go to sell the device afterwards it has depreciated a ton as Samsung devices always do so that pre-order discount may end up a wash. Theres a lot of variables there that change things. Whereas you can count on the iPhone holding its resale value.

But go ahead and make assumptions and discredit mine. But dont fool yourself by saying things are equally likely just because you want them to be true. Go off information available and not your own personal bias.

I don’t know what the camera set up will be like on the iPhone 12 pro max, however if there is no improvement to the telephoto lens then the iPhone 12 pro max will still be basic in comparison to the note 20. With it lacking stylus support, a Dex like feature and significantly less optical zoom.

 

[SteveJUAE]

As always, heavy with the condescension.

I'm going off the currently available information. What makes more sense logically...to assume Samsung will keep the same pricing as the phones they just released or to assume they will decrease their price based on nothing other than guesswork?

There arent enough credible leaks on the Note 20 to say what pricing may be or what features may be added. My original post was that if the iPhone contains a 120Hz display, with 5G, and maintains iPhone Pro Max like battery life it will be a bargain at $1099 compared to the rest of the market.

Now one could bring up things like, well the trade-in preorder and bundled accessories make the actual retail value of a flagship Samsung device cheaper. And sure, it does. But then once you go to sell the device afterwards it has depreciated a ton as Samsung devices always do so that pre-order discount may end up a wash. Theres a lot of variables there that change things. Whereas you can count on the iPhone holding its resale value.

But go ahead and make assumptions and discredit mine. But dont fool yourself by saying things are equally likely just because you want them to be true. Go off information available and not your own personal bias.

Sorry if you do not like your own faulty logic or guesswork equally applied.

Many prefer not to opt for Samsung 1st day release and goodies and wait a few months for discounts, over goodies, So yes Samsung have a track record of discounting newish phones, its not guesswork and your assumption and logic is wrong

Similarly the resale value of Iphones may hold true in just a few countries but is not given and any trade in deal offered by Samsung or previous bundled items make the depreciation argument mute. As others have already found on the odd occasion Apple release a better value product the resale value of older models are hit. This is likely to happen if the new Iphone is a better bargain as you predict.

I agree that it's likely given current market that new releases may be better value than previous to encourage sales etc but there is nothing to say that all OEM's will not be using similar tactics or discounts or freebies etc

Given Apple seem to set one price that is used for a year this gives other OEM opportunities to offer a greater variance on bargains over 12 months. So even if Apple have a margin over others, it may be short lived.

 

[Awesomesince86]

Sorry if you do not like your own faulty logic or guesswork equally applied.

Many prefer not to opt for Samsung 1st day release and goodies and wait a few months for discounts, over goodies, So yes Samsung have a track record of discounting newish phones, its not guesswork and your assumption and logic is wrong

Similarly the resale value of Iphones may hold true in just a few countries but is not given and any trade in deal offered by Samsung or previous bundled items make the depreciation argument mute. As others have already found on the odd occasion Apple release a better value product the resale value of older models are hit. This is likely to happen if the new Iphone is a better bargain as you predict.

I agree that it's likely given current market that new releases may be better value than previous to encourage sales etc but there is nothing to say that all OEM's will not be using similar tactics or discounts or freebies etc

Given Apple seem to set one price that is used for a year this gives other OEM opportunities to offer a greater variance on bargains over 12 months. So even if Apple have a margin over others, it may be short lived.

Jump down off your high horse mate. Someone that feels the need to start conversations by talking down to someone is a clear sign of insecurity.

Sure, you dont have to buy a Samsung device on release and wait for it to drop in price. How does that address our argument at all? The original argument I made was that if Samsung released the Note 20 at a similar price to S20 Ultra that it would struggle if the iPhone 12 Pro Max was priced at $1099. Then you decided to go off on a tangent about market fluctuation to try and setup a scenario where the Samsung devices are actually a better deal because you have a clear bias against Apple which has been well documented on these forums. But I'll bite and answer your post that has almost no relevance to my original post...

First on the Samsung discounting newish phones, when did I ever say they dont? For Samsung devices over the past couple of years, the best deals were on pre-order if you had a trade-in that they valued more than the market did, or 3+ months later on the secondhand market. Samsung in the past few years have offered discounts on newish phones directly, but only if you trade in a device (at least in the US). Rarely do they just drop the price several hundred dollars. It also comes with the caveat that you trade something in to get that discount applied. Saying my assumption and logic is wrong here makes no sense because I never argued that they dont do that. So now you're literally making up the other side of the argument to counter against, effectively arguing with yourself.

At the time of the Ultra release, while I thought they priced it too high, I thought they had justification when their biggest competitor in the market space (iPhone Pro Max) offered less from a spec/feature standpoint so they had that as a marker they could use. However, if Apple closes that feature/spec gap and undercuts price, I think the Note 20 if priced similarly to the Ultra will struggle. That was my original argument. You can say the logic is faulty all you want, but if it happens I bet the sales numbers will reflect my estimate.

 

[SteveJUAE]

Jump down off your high horse mate. Someone that feels the need to start conversations by talking down to someone is a clear sign of insecurity.

Sure, you dont have to buy a Samsung device on release and wait for it to drop in price. How does that address our argument at all? The original argument I made was that if Samsung released the Note 20 at a similar price to S20 Ultra that it would struggle if the iPhone 12 Pro Max was priced at $1099. Then you decided to go off on a tangent about market fluctuation to try and setup a scenario where the Samsung devices are actually a better deal because you have a clear bias against Apple which has been well documented on these forums. But I'll bite and answer your post that has almost no relevance to my original post...

First on the Samsung discounting newish phones, when did I ever say they dont? For Samsung devices over the past couple of years, the best deals were on pre-order if you had a trade-in that they valued more than the market did, or 3+ months later on the secondhand market. Samsung in the past few years have offered discounts on newish phones directly, but only if you trade in a device (at least in the US). Rarely do they just drop the price several hundred dollars. It also comes with the caveat that you trade something in to get that discount applied. Saying my assumption and logic is wrong here makes no sense because I never argued that they dont do that. So now you're literally making up the other side of the argument to counter against, effectively arguing with yourself.

At the time of the Ultra release, while I thought they priced it too high, I thought they had justification when their biggest competitor in the market space (iPhone Pro Max) offered less from a spec/feature standpoint so they had that as a marker they could use. However, if Apple closes that feature/spec gap and undercuts price, I think the Note 20 if priced similarly to the Ultra will struggle. That was my original argument. You can say the logic is faulty all you want, but if it happens I bet the sales numbers will reflect my estimate.

Sorry it's clear you have lost any rationality to your points raised

You have resorted to childish insults and remainder of your post is just rhetoric and back peddling

I think we have seen your logic and can judge it's validity for ourselves

Enough said before it gets really boring and just ping pong reply's that no one wants to read

 

[Awesomesince86]

Sorry it's clear you have lost any rationality to your points raised

You have resorted to childish insults and remainder of your post is just rhetoric and back peddling

I think we have seen your logic and can judge it's validity for ourselves

Enough said before it gets really boring and just ping pong reply's that no one wants to read

That's fine. You started with a condescending tone and I called you on it. You've failed to make a single rationale point and continue to go on tangents that don't relate to the original post. I'm done.

 

[jamezr]

What does everyone think of this Note 20 concept?

 

[yui4]

What does everyone think of this Note 20 concept?

Take my money Samsung please!

 

[Fernandez21]

What does everyone think of this Note 20 concept?

Flat 120hz edge to edge display? As long as it's 6.4" or smaller, I'm in!

 

[ian87w]

Hopefully just the rumors of a cheaper iPhone will get Samsung to release at a lower price.

Samsung already have lower priced models. There's the Note 10 Lite, amongst S10 Lite, and the plethora of Galaxy A phones.

 

[tbayrgs]

What does everyone think of this Note 20 concept?

Looks like what I’d expect this year’s Note to look like, considering the design of the current Galaxy S20 models. Fits Samsung’s current design aesthetic and looks well made. Doesn’t do anything to persuade me to get one any more than the previous Note did. Well, that’s not entirely true, ditching the curved edges is absolutely a move in the right direction.

There’s no front camera cutout. Is Samsung doing something different or is it just because it’s a render?

 

[jamezr]

Looks like what I’d expect this year’s Note to look like, considering the design of the current Galaxy S20 models. Fits Samsung’s current design aesthetic and looks well made. Doesn’t do anything to persuade me to get one any more than the previous Note did. Well, that’s not entirely true, ditching the curved edges is absolutely a move in the right direction.

There’s no front camera cutout. Is Samsung doing something different or is it just because it’s a render?

probably because it is just a render. There have been rumors of an under display front camera. But not sure that will make it this year.

 

[Awesomesince86]

probably because it is just a render. There have been rumors of an under display front camera. But not sure that will make it this year.

Usually with something first gen like that we would have heard rumblings of it happening by now if it were in the Note this year. But who knows.

I say this every year, but I don't see what Samsung can do this year to separate the Note from the S20 line, especially now with the Ultra around. Obviously theres the S-pen, but how many people get the Note just for that reason?

 

[jamezr]

Usually with something first gen like that we would have heard rumblings of it happening by now if it were in the Note this year. But who knows.

I say this every year, but I don't see what Samsung can do this year to separate the Note from the S20 line, especially now with the Ultra around. Obviously theres the S-pen, but how many people get the Note just for that reason?

There have been rumblings...

Samsung Galaxy Note 20 leak reveals under-display camera to beat iPhone 12

Samsung Galaxy Note 20 might have another iPhone 12-slaying feature

www.tomsguide.com

https://www.reddit.com/r/samsung/comments/f70zrp

Samsung Galaxy Note 20 with under-display front-facing camera was leaked in Galaxy Store | TechNave

There are many rumours for some of the upcoming flagships saying that they will have under-display front-facing cameras. Now, it looks like the Samsung Gal

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[Awesomesince86]

There have been rumblings...

Samsung Galaxy Note 20 leak reveals under-display camera to beat iPhone 12

Samsung Galaxy Note 20 might have another iPhone 12-slaying feature

www.tomsguide.com

https://www.reddit.com/r/samsung/comments/f70zrp

Samsung Galaxy Note 20 with under-display front-facing camera was leaked in Galaxy Store | TechNave

There are many rumours for some of the upcoming flagships saying that they will have under-display front-facing cameras. Now, it looks like the Samsung Gal

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What I meant was something more definitive. Like a rendering from someone reputable or an article from someone with a history of leaks. But yeah, I guess there has been some smoke.

 

[jamezr]

Samsung's Galaxy Note 20 series will reportedly debut at an online-only 'Unpacked' event

Samsung's Galaxy Note 20 series will reportedly debut at an online-only 'Unpacked' event

A report by The Korea Herald claims Samsung has decided to take the wraps off the Galaxy Note 20 series at an online-only event. The Galaxy Fold 2 is also likely to be unvieled at the ...

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