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Samsung galaxy S23 and S23 ultra
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My favorite are the ones that are suggesting that Samsung is lying yet again. Like Samsung has ever lied to them personally.
The funny thing is that the entire controversy is literally how AI works in camera systems.
If you are going to say that the AI in Samsung phones is producing fake images then you can apply that industry wide across platforms.
Seems to me like a lack of basic understanding of how AI works to improve imaging.
They complain when Samsung gets good AI computational photography, they would complain if they didn't have it. Sometimes it seems people just try to invent ways to criticize something they don't like.
Hell, I will criticize any company if it is justified but in this case I just don't see it.
And most of the sites running with this BS story seem to be Apple enthusiast?
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The article above doesn't give any explanation but references Reddit. I am no journalist but I am pretty sure Reddit is not where you go for unbiased and reliable information sources. Lol
I would like to know how Samsung AI computational photography is different from a Pixel phone or iphone and where the deception is on Samsung part. When they can show me that Samsung is fundamentally different from these other systems and in what way with some explanation then I might change my opinion but for now I call trash talking and sour grapes.
If you are going to say that the AI in Samsung phones is producing fake images then you can apply that industry wide across platforms.
Seems to me like a lack of basic understanding of how AI works to improve imaging.
They complain when Samsung gets good AI computational photography, they would complain if they didn't have it. Sometimes it seems people just try to invent ways to criticize something they don't like.
Hell, I will criticize any company if it is justified but in this case I just don't see it.
And most of the sites running with this BS story seem to be Apple enthusiast?
Samsung Galaxy fakes moon shots
Handset uses AI trickery, not a real picture.
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The article above doesn't give any explanation but references Reddit. I am no journalist but I am pretty sure Reddit is not where you go for unbiased and reliable information sources. Lol
I would like to know how Samsung AI computational photography is different from a Pixel phone or iphone and where the deception is on Samsung part. When they can show me that Samsung is fundamentally different from these other systems and in what way with some explanation then I might change my opinion but for now I call trash talking and sour grapes.
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That they do better in their screen technology, perhaps putting more of their extensive profits towards solving the issue.
Hardly when I’ve already mentioned my own issues with the iPhone screen. Plus I started that thread specifically on the issue.
Just how ‘real’ are images of the Moon taken with the Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra:
He goes through now the Ultra takes these images and it does look like you aren’t actually getting what your looking at.
He goes through now the Ultra takes these images and it does look like you aren’t actually getting what your looking at.
No. Stop that ********, there are many many phones causing people problems due to pwm flicker, even your beloved iphones, go do some research
Trying reading all my posts above before shooting your mouth off in which I specifically mention I’ve talked about the iPhone screen issues in the past. It seems like certain posters on here are incapable of taking any criticism of Samsung and they turn any criticism into a brand fight.
Seems like this is an issue with a lot of users regardless of brand or platform.
It might be that Samsung users are a little tired of the endless unreasonable and pointed criticism that some people make towards Samsung that they don't seem to apply to their favorite brand or platform.
I am not defending the person you are responding to but just making a general observation in this thread and forum section on alternatives to iOS in general.
what a shock...apple fans quick to dump on Samsung AI enhanced pictures while Apple brags about its own AI.
Sorry to take air out of your sails there chimpy but EVERY phone maker uses computational AI for the images
Most of the time companies brag about their AI computational photography. Apple does it Google does it and people love the outcome.
I think Samsung's mistake here was not being upfront and honest about it.
I mean is bokeh effects fake? Is Googles Magic Eraser pictures fake?
Look over in the iPhone pictures thread here on MR. How many of those are edited in some kind of editing software to enhance the original? does that make them fake?
The funny thing is that the entire controversy is literally how AI works in camera systems.
If you are going to say that the AI in Samsung phones is producing fake images then you can apply that industry wide across platforms.
Seems to me like a lack of basic understanding of how AI works to improve imaging.
They complain when Samsung gets good AI computational photography, they would complain if they didn't have it. Sometimes it seems people just try to invent ways to criticize something they don't like.
Hell, I will criticize any company if it is justified but in this case I just don't see it.
And most of the sites running with this BS story seem to be Apple enthusiast?
Samsung Galaxy fakes moon shots
Handset uses AI trickery, not a real picture.
The article above doesn't give any explanation but references Reddit. I am no journalist but I am pretty sure Reddit is not where you go for unbiased and reliable information sources. Lol
I would like to know how Samsung AI computational photography is different from a Pixel phone or iphone and where the deception is on Samsung part. When they can show me that Samsung is fundamentally different from these other systems and in what way with some explanation then I might change my opinion but for now I call trash talking and sour grapes.
Well, it's quite a bit more nuanced than a basic "FAKE vs real" argument. That's a simpleton way to look at it.
Let's set aside the conspiracy theory that the Apple media illuminati is out to get Samsung first.
OK. For example, when people cite iPhone's portrait bokeh effect, essentially the blur is artificial but it is REMOVING information with that blur. There was information in the background... and it was removed with a blur to give the depth effect, which can be fine tuned with the depth effect slider by going back and fourth with your finger on iOS. It's obvious it isn't a real bokeh blur because Apple embraced it with the toggle where you can go from a completely blurry background to a sharp normal looking one during post. Edge detection is also there to keep the edges. Obviously, it isn't a real blur if it is done in post, so no need to elaborate on that lol. No DSLR will let you do this in post. You could say this for any computational photography on smartphones: it is enhancing the entire photo for the best suitable shot (which includes Apple, Pixel, Samsung, whatever). OK cool.
The issue with Samsung, is the moon zoom is essentially ADDING information that isn't there on a particular object: the moon. And to gain this photo, it is tied to their marketed 100X zoom. This isn't an exchange of information in the photo, it is literally adding information that isn't there to approximate the image of a particular object like the moon, being captured on your Samsung device. This is where it gets tricky: because Samsung's 100X zoom is a feature that Samsung markets on their flagship S23 Ultra (and previous Ultra models), they're basically insinuating, 'hey, we have 100X zoom and it's so powerful that you can take a sharp photo of the moon itself on your Samsung S23 Ultra!' giving the impression that the raw 100X zoom on the S23U is so powerful that it can actually capture a sharp photo of the moon like it's a telescope. Basically, it is a lie to sell you the feature. That's all.
If Samsung went about it by letting you capture the blurry moon photo and having a button/toggle that says 'moon enhance on' or something to get the moon photos everyone's seeing, it would've been much less deceptive in that way and it would be more impressive! However, it's done so deceptively that it actually fooled tech nerds and that's why some people are disappointed.
This isn't an Apple vs Samsung thing; it's purely transparency. If Apple released a 500X Zoom next year and said 'you can actually take a close up photo of the planet Mars with our powerful 500X zoom!' and it is all AI adding information to a red blob in the sky -- Apple would get absolutely annihilated.
Who cares? It's a photo of the moon! It's not like they are using AI to make your kids look better or your partner look much prettier. Mind you that might be a good idea!
You are literally arguing semantics and marketing.
Sure, I agree Samsung could have been more transparent BUT just maybe they didn't think it was an issue because it is a industry wide practice to enhance photos with AI. It is also proprietary to each platform OEM so they probably don't want to share how their AI works so the competition doesn't copy it rather than Samsung trying to be deceptive.
It is a non issue that some people who just want to criticize something about a clearly superior phone because their device can't do it.
No matter what anyone says the s23u has some of the best camera hardware and software on a smartphone. It may not be perfect or the absolute best but it is certainly up in the top.
How much do you want to bet that if an iPhone had the same hardware capability as the S23U that Apple's computational AI would do something similar but since the hardware isn't there it isn't even a debate.
You can always zoom in and take a raw photo and see how it looks without the AI processing. Samsung isn't forcing people to only use their computational AI.
So it is just a big nothing. If you don't like AI processing don't use it but to criticize how it works when we all know it is doing stuff that literally isn't in the original shot is rather pedantic.
And I don't agree with you about Apple adopting a 500x zoom with a picture of Mars. If they did the same thing as Samsung everyone would be praising how great it is the computational AI works and what a great feature it is for users. They would be going on here in this forum about how superior Apple's AI skills are.
The thing is that even if we all agree that Samsung lied to everyone, it will not change the fact, that the S23 Ultra is a great phone. If you are not tied to an ecosystem then the S23 Ultra is the best phone out there.
Having said that, I felt disappointed when the news came out , but it was pretty obvious that some AI stuff was happening. There is no way a smartphone with the current technology can take such great pictures of the moon.
Having said that, I felt disappointed when the news came out , but it was pretty obvious that some AI stuff was happening. There is no way a smartphone with the current technology can take such great pictures of the moon.
The other part of all this is that I don't think anyone in their right mind actually thought that this phone and the two that came before it were actual telescopes. That's why this entire story is stupid.
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My God, your reply is absolutely unhinged lmfao. Of course it is semantics and marketing. There's no argument from me. My post isn't an attack on your precious phone, I just wanted to get right into the nitty gritty of what exactly people are whining about (I don't even care but I see where they're coming from) as I was curious myself about what the big deal was, so I researched. It is the facts about the whole "controversy". I wanted to leave out the Alex Jones level of anti-Samsung conspiracy theories and other fantasy scenarios, as it is exhausting to swift though online to find out why that whole moon zoom thing popped up.
The 500X Zoom thing was just a cheeky remark as it was a funny fake scenario about the whole thing but good Lord man. Lol.
You hit the nail on the head, we all know it's only a 10x optical zoom, of course it's using computational photography. It's a nothing story.
Okay.
Over reacting much. Seems like you are projecting a lot onto the comments I made.
I am glad you did your research.
I just responded to what you said. Sorry it was so unhinged. Lol
You’d be surprised lol, non-techies eat it up!
Listen, I just wanted to post straight to the point. I was curious about the whole thing since there was another smartphone (Oppo? Huawei?) that was “caught” putting an actual texture map on the moon AR-style a while ago. I was curious if Samsung was doing the same thing but it wasn’t.
No worries lol, I don’t want to get into flame wars about Samsung vs Apple
I already have enough PTSD from Sega Genesis vs SNES and N64 vs PlayStation 😖
Moon pic .... move along this is a non-story. Why get so spun up, your life will be more enjoyable/less stressful if you lower the emotional level of posts. That's the thing with social media it divides us over stupid, pointless issues. Peace, out.
I don't know but when I take a picture of the moon it looks so much different 
... Oh wait I was taking a picture of me mooning hmmm 
don't think that was enhanced ...
... Oh wait I was taking a picture of me mooning hmmm 
don't think that was enhanced ...