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Wish we had this model available here in the US ...that's a good looking vehicle
I know. For some reason, North Americans equate wagons as old persons vehicles. I see practicality. Here is another juicy we do get in Canada...

 

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Nobody is saying it doesn't count or doesn't matter but the phones samsung has in the past had the most success with is not the phones the tech community has ever really talked about or cared about. All people in tech talk about is the main big hitting flagships and thats where samsung simply have not sold very much for the quailty of product they have produced.

It's good people are finally buying the S series as I think the fact it has SD gen 2 has played a massive factor here. The sales that android dominate for many years is always the low end to budget devices. The flagship devices which people care about all thats been dominating has been iphones. That isn't likely to ever change but the fact S23 ultra is doing so well is a credit to the product.
I think this is part of the casualness in some of your replies :)

Lets not assume and presume what us prominently English's "western" based tech sites/blogs and reviewers discuss (Especially MR) is the same as other language sites and communities around the world :)

We tend to discuss here (understandably) phones outside of most income brackets worldwide as that's what interests us and the other sites we visit.
 
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I think this is part of the casualness in some of your replies :)

Lets not assume and presume what us prominently English's "western" based tech sites/blogs and reviewers discuss (Especially MR) is the same as other language sites and communities around the world :)

We tend to discuss here (understandably) phones outside of most income brackets worldwide as that's what interests us.
I'm not just talking about on MR but in general the tech community which are a large amount if not most of the % is on twitter and flagships are what people care the most about.

Generally people who are buying budget devices aren't that concerned about what a phone does they simply want a dependable working device and aren't massively into tech. Just like you won't find these budget devices getting much attention in the eyes of tech media. The best tech in phones will always be in that 600-1200 range and thats what people care the most about. Just the way things are.
 
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I'm not just talking about on MR but in general the tech community which are a large amount if not most of the % is on twitter and flagships are what people care the most about.

Generally people who are buying budget devices aren't that concerned about what a phone does they simply want a dependable working device and aren't massively into tech. Just like you won't find these budget devices getting much attention in the eyes of tech media. The best tech in phones will always be in that 600-1200 range and thats what people care the most about. Just the way things are.
I have some interesting news about this very topic coming soon which relates to more budget friendly devices. I am not going to say much right now. but I have some things already in motion and will be flipping the switch soon!
 
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SteveJUAE

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I'm not just talking about on MR but in general the tech community which are a large amount if not most of the % is on twitter and flagships are what people care the most about.

Generally people who are buying budget devices aren't that concerned about what a phone does they simply want a dependable working device and aren't massively into tech. Just like you won't find these budget devices getting much attention in the eyes of tech media. The best tech in phones will always be in that 600-1200 range and thats what people care the most about. Just the way things are.
I think you are still not getting this :)

Your references are likely to be predominately western English and may not translate to many other countries/nationalities media and bloggers etc who's audience is not on the high tier phones we are all interested in :)

Nor is it fair to say they are not interested in tech that is likely out of their reach.

Think your being overly general and somewhat discourteous to others in less fortunate financial circumstances

We are here for the subjects and phone topics we like I am sure there are other sites (Foreign) equally enthusiastic about what we consider budget phones and may only have casual references to high tier phones (ie the reverse of our conversations)

The same would likely be true of Chinese sites discussing the many phones we never see but cost far less than our favorites :)
 
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I think you are still not getting this :)

Your references are likely to be predominately western English and may not translate to many other countries/nationalities media and bloggers etc who's audience is not on the high tier phones we are all interested in :)

Nor is it fair to say they are not interested in tech that is likely out of their reach.

Think your being overly general and somewhat discourteous to others in less fortunate financial circumstances

We are here for the subjects and phone topics we like I am sure there are other sites (Foreign) equally enthusiastic about what we consider budget phones and may only have casual references to high tier phones (ie the reverse of our conversations)

The same would likely be true of Chinese sites discussing the many phones we never see but cost far less than our favorites :)

Sorry but there's nothing to get here.

Like you don't know what people in those countries are thinking either. You can only base things on the languages you currently speak. Do you really think it's much different in other parts of the world? high level tech is the same no matter the language.

Can people buy budget devices and still have high interest in tech? sure but most who are buying these devices aren't fussed about what it does.

Facts still remain the best phones with the best tech is what gets the most interest no matter what language or what part of the world somebody lives in. Why would people care so much about devices which has limited technology? people in tech talk about the best phones as that's what gets people interested. If you have a deep passion and interest in tech the best phones is what people care about the most that's just a normal reaction.

Do you think massive football games around the world care or take much interest in league that nobody watches or is a low quality? Answer is no. People care the most about e.g. premier league and other top European leagues. It's the same for any high level sport or interest. F1 said thing, basketball also same thing.
 

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The biggest barrier for Samsung has been using their exxynos cpu's in most markets, at least for me anyway. My s10+ had awful battery life, I would leave my office at 5 with 20% battery if I didn't charge it, whereas the 11 pro I replaced it with would have 60% left... It put me off samsung for a while.

Having said that I'm not logical with devices lol, I just replaced my s23 with a s23+ , and now am missing my Pixel 7 Pro lol. Still deciding which to keep
 
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The biggest barrier for Samsung has been using their exxynos cpu's in most markets, at least for me anyway. My s10+ had awful battery life, I would leave my office at 5 with 20% battery if I didn't charge it, whereas the 11 pro I replaced it with would have 60% left... It put me off samsung for a while.

Having said that I'm not logical with devices lol, I just replaced my s23 with a s23+ , and now am missing my Pixel 7 Pro lol. Still deciding which to keep
yeah, the Exxynos chips are terrible for battery life for the most part. The qualcomm Sammy's are much much better now. Coming within 20 minutes of their iPhone counterparts.
 
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jamezr

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Nobody is saying it doesn't count or doesn't matter but the phones samsung has in the past had the most success with is not the phones the tech community has ever really talked about or cared about. All people in tech talk about is the main big hitting flagships and thats where samsung simply have not sold very much for the quailty of product they have produced.

It's good people are finally buying the S series as I think the fact it has SD gen 2 has played a massive factor here. The sales that android dominate for many years is always the low end to budget devices. The flagship devices which people care about all thats been dominating has been iphones. That isn't likely to ever change but the fact S23 ultra is doing so well is a credit to the product.
I diagree with some of those assumptions though. The flagship phones get the press because they have the latest and greatest features. But that is not what sells the most. Then not all people in tech talk about about flagship phones. But those might be the people you follow on social media like Twitter or YouTube. So that might be what you are exposed to.

But there are some here in this thread that seem to cast shade so to speak on any phone not over $1000.
When most of what sells in the world is probably less than half that cost. So your assumption that all people care about are flagship phones is not true.



The below is simply not true based on the sales graphic I posted earlier. If over 70% of phone sales are Android and the iPhone is the only phone running IOS and it has less than 30% of the market. That would not seem to be supported by the data.
The flagship devices which people care about all thats been dominating has been iphones.
 

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Completely agree.

I like iOS and certain things like the ability to flash iOS to an iPhone or iPad if there is ever a problem I wish Samsung would do as well. If your Samsung phone gets a software glitch that can't be resolved by a reset you have to send it back to them for them to flash it.

But there are a lot of issues with iOS right now and cumulatively they just got on my nerves. Combine that with self imposed hardware limitations and it was a recipe for me moving on.

Like you I will have an iPhone again but with already high prices set to increase I may wait a while.
You can reflash your phone with Odin.
 

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I diagree with some of those assumptions though. The flagship phones get the press because they have the latest and greatest features. But that is not what sells the most. Then not all people in tech talk about about flagship phones. But those might be the people you follow on social media like Twitter or YouTube. So that might be what you are exposed to.

But there are some here in this thread that seem to cast shade so to speak on any phone not over $1000.
When most of what sells in the world is probably less than half that cost. So your assumption that all people care about are flagship phones is not true.



The below is simply not true based on the sales graphic I posted earlier. If over 70% of phone sales are Android and the iPhone is the only phone running IOS and it has less than 30% of the market. That would not seem to be supported by the data.
I don't want to go over this too much to take away from the S23 ultra topic here but that sales graphic shows what has been said the dominant android sales are mainly low end to mid range budget devices. This year is the first time in maybe 4-5 years where it's highly likely a top end flagship android phone will be ranked in the top 10 global sales come end of the year.

The data provides android has thousands more phones than apple do so clearly their market share should be higher given the main android sales have been low cost models. Iphones dominate the top 10 most phones sold each year which are in that flagship price range and you will see A series samsung phones in that chart and thats it.

I stand by my statement that the kind of people who care about how many smartphones are sold and what new phones are released are going to be buying and having an interest in those flagship phones more than they will low end to budget devices. People are entitled to disagree and that's fine.
 
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SteveJUAE

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Sorry but there's nothing to get here.

Like you don't know what people in those countries are thinking either. You can only base things on the languages you currently speak. Do you really think it's much different in other parts of the world? high level tech is the same no matter the language.

Can people buy budget devices and still have high interest in tech? sure but most who are buying these devices aren't fussed about what it does.

Facts still remain the best phones with the best tech is what gets the most interest no matter what language or what part of the world somebody lives in. Why would people care so much about devices which has limited technology? people in tech talk about the best phones as that's what gets people interested. If you have a deep passion and interest in tech the best phones is what people care about the most that's just a normal reaction.

Do you think massive football games around the world care or take much interest in league that nobody watches or is a low quality? Answer is no. People care the most about e.g. premier league and other top European leagues. It's the same for any high level sport or interest. F1 said thing, basketball also same thing.
Think we will have to disagree as I am giving the benefit of doubt to others :) and this is the S23 thread

I'm of to the Rolls-Royce, Lamborghini and Bugatti forums now as nobody discusses any other cheaper cars LOL
 
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Think we will have to disagree as I am giving the benefit of doubt to others :) and this is the S23 thread

I'm of to the Rolls-Royce, Lamborghini and Bugatti forums now as nobody discusses any other cheaper cars LOL
right because that is all people buy and all that people care about :D. Nothing in between matters to anyone /s
 

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Hi all, havent been here couple months as i bought ip 14 pro (i really like this one), but after just couple of months again thinking how good or bad would be moving to the other side:)) of course I wont, but maaan, i would love to have foldable phone! Oh and why typing it here? Just to let you know, that still this thread seems to be to be best here in macrumors forum to me, so just stopped to say hi to you all;))
 

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I don't want to go over this too much to take away from the S23 ultra topic here but that sales graphic shows what has been said the dominant android sales are mainly low end to mid range budget devices. This year is the first time in maybe 4-5 years where it's highly likely a top end flagship android phone will be ranked in the top 10 global sales come end of the year.

The data provides android has thousands more phones than apple do so clearly their market share should be higher given the main android sales have been low cost models. Iphones dominate the top 10 most phones sold each year which are in that flagship price range and you will see A series samsung phones in that chart and thats it.

I stand by my statement that the kind of people who care about how many smartphones are sold and what new phones are released are going to be buying and having an interest in those flagship phones more than they will low end to budget devices. People are entitled to disagree and that's fine.

I will agree and disagree.

Tech blogs, Tech websites and YouTube are basically media advertising. They need sponsors and so they purposely hype the devices the tech industry wants them to talk about. Generally those devices are at the high end because that makes the manufacturers who sponsor and send free product for review the most money. This has nothing to do with popularity or actual users opinion. In fact it is an effort to generate user interest in and influence opinion.

I have a YouTube channel and for a while I reviewed nothing but budget/mid range phones and tablets and there was a lot of user interest. It is a market that is much larger than the upper end. But it doesn't get hyped. You don't get sponsored. You don't get free devices. As soon as you do get sponsored they want to send more expensive devices for review.

I don't agree that average people who can't afford flagship phone don't care about specs. They do care and try to find the best specs for their budget.

And don't try to tell me that Samsung flagship phones have not been in the top selling phone spot for at least a decade. People who buy a flagship phone either buy a iPhone or a Samsung s series phone. And while iPhone has grown a lot in the USA it has always been flanked by Samsung. Look at all the Carrier promotions they have a Samsung s23 or iPhone 14 as the phones they promote and it has been this way for years.

There are areas like USA where Apple dominates but that is not the worldwide norm. Europe is much more Android centric than US. A lot of Europeans don't even use iMessage.

With foldable phones and cutting edge cameras Android phones have also been more popular with the ultra high end niche. I don't think foldable phones are budget devices yet they sell many units.

To say that the only reason Android is more popular than iOS is because of budget devices is condescending and elitist as well.

If cheaper Android devices sucked they wouldn't sell regardless of price. It is because budget Android phones offer so many high end features that work well enough for most people that they sell so well.

Look at the iPhone SE as an example of budget iOS devices. They should outsell iPhone 14 pro max if it is just based on cost?

Alternatively look at the iPad 9th gen. They sell very well, are cheap and very good for the cost. It is because the cost is low and functionality is high that they sell so well.

Android devices sell because they offer better value in terms of functionality and hardware than competitive iOS alternatives.

Also it is easy to build a solid flagship because your budget is so high and so is the profit margin. While building a good midrange to budget device is a much harder feet and the fact that Android does so well in these categories is a testament to what OEMs can do.

Do most people like to hear about the latest and greatest phone? Of course. It is interesting to see what crazy features a manufacturer is trying to fit into these devices. But there is also a similar interest in mid range and budget devices and what manufacturers are doing to improve them. But Manufacturers don't want to hype these devices for fear they would cut into the sales and profit of their most expensive devices.
 

MaskedCarrot

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Thanks for the warning!
I can quess that in the future, as you were saying, i probably would feel a need to go back.
But i have to remember the reasons why i left. They are several strong reasons, for me anyway, to not buing a new iPhone.
So i hope i can remember and hold on to it😊
You can do it also!😅
I switched from an iPhone 14 PM. I didn't have any complaints about the iPhone and no issues, but I just got bored is all and wanted to try something different. So I got a S23 Ultra.

Now when I turn on my iPhone, it feels slow and sluggish to me, which is odd because it never did when it was my main phone, but I guess since the S23U is so snappy, it makes the iPhone seem slow now.

The only issue that bothers me, which I have said before, is I think the iOS does Notifications much better than Android.
 

Tig Bitties

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People that own the S23 Ultra, and have also owned a Pixel 7 Pro or 6 Pro, how would you say the OS UI is in comparison? meaning the smoothness and lag, is the S23 Ultra on par as being as fluid and smooth as a Pixel?

Also battery life, how's the S23 Ultra battery life?
 

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People that own the S23 Ultra, and have also owned a Pixel 7 Pro or 6 Pro, how would you say the OS UI is in comparison? meaning the smoothness and lag, is the S23 Ultra on par as being as fluid and smooth as a Pixel?

Also battery life, how's the S23 Ultra battery life?

Best phone out right now IMO …battery is excellent with the Snap gen 2 …no lag here with the phone …
 

aggie99

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People that own the S23 Ultra, and have also owned a Pixel 7 Pro or 6 Pro, how would you say the OS UI is in comparison? meaning the smoothness and lag, is the S23 Ultra on par as being as fluid and smooth as a Pixel?

Also battery life, how's the S23 Ultra battery life?
I still prefer the pixel UI. However the S23 Ultra is the fastest, smoothest device out right now in my opinion. Battery life also is better, in my experience, than any other device on the market.
 

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The budget phones are getting more and more exciting to me as they match or surpass the features and quality of the flagship phones from just a couple of years ago.

I think if Pixel gets at least 2x optical zoom on its budget series that's going to be so killer.

I am back from my travels and used all my 4 active phones: S22 and 23 Ultra, iphone 14 Pro Max and Pixel 7a.

If I wasn't stuck with iMessage and iPhoto to share photos and communication with the other members of our travel party, I would be out and about with Pixel 7a exclusively during the day. There's such a comfort to the user interface and the size and weight of the phone. And yes the inexpensiveness of it brought me a comfort, too. If I were to have a misfortune with it, I am not out over a thousand dollars in replacement cost or insurance claims or however you want to quantify it. All the combined makes the phone feel very "friendly'.

My two Samsungs were on wifi and I used the zoom a lot. It was very important to get candid photos because the teenagers don't like to feel like the parental paparazzi is covering them. So I have to stay back, too far back for the 7a with it's ultra wide and wide lenses to do me much good. But then they kept asking me did I get this, that or the other thing recorded. 🤣. Iphone 14 Pro Max zoom was also helpful in this regard. That is a considerable advantage of flagship phones, so when the strong zooms trickle down to mid range it's going to be personally very appealing to me and perhaps many others.

I oddly got my favorite moon photos with the S22 Ultra. But I'm now convinced I am not really capturing what is there. That is a controversial discussion I have no appetite for, so I don't want any part of back and forth on something so inconsequential. But those of you who have the 100x moon zoom, please conduct your own experiments and draw your own conclusions.

My favorite camera controls to work with were on the Pixel 7a. I was finding myself needing to adjust brightness levels of a scene, specifically the moon over the ocean. The 7a on screen controls made it easiest to do that even with fumble fingers. I got the most accurate capture of the scene with that camera. Samsung brightened everything a bit too much. But it offers adjustable settings, they’re just less immediately accessible vs the Pixel 7a iPhone was hopeless. It took a pretty photo but it looked like an early evening photo of a sunset not the moon over the ocean and of course everything is so heavily sharpened. Very CGI looking in my opinion.

But in the light of day the S23 Ultra was the one to take to the beach. It has few flaws and many advantages in that circumstance.

Overall, iphone 14 Pro Max was best to capture and freeze action in group shots of many people.

I have to go now. Lol that was my brain dump on the subject of phones for the day.

I'm on a tight schedule this week. I missed WWDC so will catch it tonight with my husband at late dinner in front of the tv. I did want to share some of the photos I took that I mentioned but I have so many people wanting so many things of me and I am on several deadlines. I haven’t even unpacked yet! You’ll see me as I gulp down morning coffee this week and head off to get things done. I didn’t know it was going to be this hectic.

I actually started this post this morning and just left it until now. Lol.
 

drinkingtea

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People that own the S23 Ultra, and have also owned a Pixel 7 Pro or 6 Pro, how would you say the OS UI is in comparison? meaning the smoothness and lag, is the S23 Ultra on par as being as fluid and smooth as a Pixel?

Also battery life, how's the S23 Ultra battery life?
Oooooh, is someone interested in getting a Samsung...? 🙃

I've had the S23U for about six months now and it's the smoothest phone I've ever had. I've had 0 issues. I have had no lag. It's smoother than my 13 Pro Max. The battery life is also amazing. I have no battery anxiety with this phone. It's simply a great phone. I can't believe how happy I am with it.
 

aggie99

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I have to stop reading this thread! I am COMPLETELY SATISFIED WITH iPhone 14 Pro!
No you're not ;)

I'm pretty much using the 14 PM as my daily right now (dang iMessage group chats/Air Drop). However, if I had to pick only one device to keep and let all the others go it would be my S23 Ultra. It really is the most solid all around device I've used. Was excited for my Pixel Fold to come but the excitement is waning by the day to the point I'm on the fence and considering canceling my order.
 
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