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Dave245

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I was half tempted by the specs of the new S23 Ultra (looking over from an iPhone 14 Pro) but Samsung have lost a potential customer with the price hike in the UK and the lack off decent trade in / bonus / free gift offers. Such a shame!
Price hike? if you pre-order you are getting the 512GB for the price of the 256GB, plus trade in discount and 6 Months of Disney+ thrown in as well. I think it's quite decent considering the iPhone 14 Pro is more expensive with no deals.
 

ian87w

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Feb 22, 2020
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The free storage upgrade is really tempting. The base S23 price will be really appealing with 256GB storage. It shows that NAND prices are cheap, and Apple's pricing for their storage upgrades is utterly overpriced.

Kudos to Samsung. Can't wait for their next upacked event for the new A34 and A54 (and hopefully a new Galaxy S FE phone as well).
 
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Awesomesince86

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If this reduced trade in value model is the new way Samsung are going, they are really going to struggle moving the Fold 5. I can’t see many people paying retail value for a $1700 phone.
 
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ian87w

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If this reduced trade in value model is the new way Samsung are going, they are really going to struggle moving the Fold 5. I can’t see many people paying retail value for a $1700 phone.
Depending on the market/country, Samsung did provide a certain "guarantee" of certain amount of trade-in value in last-year's promos of the Fold 4, if I remembered correctly (or was it the Fold 3?). Let's see how that turns out.

Also, trade-in values are not really based on the original price of the traded in product, it is based on the demand of such product in the secondary market. If there are not that many demand, then the trade in value can be quite poor. In my country, sometimes cheap Xiaomi phones can seemingly have better trade-in values (as a percentage of their purchase prices) compared to more expensive phones, simply due to the higher demand in the secondary markets.

Even Apple is reducing theirs, so this is not a Samsung exclusive thing. We are at peak smartphone, where smartphone shipment are declining, people are keeping their phones longer, markets are getting saturated, and the economic downturn is not helping. People who want to keep their lifestyle of upgrading their phones yearly just have to adapt accordingly.
 

Dave245

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Just seen these on Twitter. Not sure how reliable they are, but if true that would be awsome.
 

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Dave245

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I wouldn't be surprised. My 14 Pro Max battery is the worst battery I've had on an iPhone in quite some time. It's still very good of course, but a big step down from the 13 Pro Max.

Yea it's certainly not as good as the 13 Pro Max. If the S23 Ultra matches or beats it, then I will be a very happy bunny. I commented on Samsungs Facebook page asking about battery life, I got this response back.

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ian87w

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Just seen these on Twitter. Not sure how reliable they are, but if true that would be awsome.
If these early impressions are true, then it is the power of TSMC fab. SD8gen2 fabbed by TSMC actually is a leap in efficiency over 8+gen1 (and even a much larger leap from Samsung fabbed 8gen1). CPU of 8gen2 is pretty much just one more step behind A15 (A16 is barely any better than A15), and the GPU actually can show better efficiency than the A16. If Samsung can maintain an efficient software, these 8gen2 devices should be a wake up call for Apple.
 
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h.gilbert

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If these early impressions are true, then it is the power of TSMC fab. SD8gen2 fabbed by TSMC actually is a leap in efficiency over 8+gen1 (and even a much larger leap from Samsung fabbed 8gen1). CPU of 8gen2 is pretty much just one more step behind A15 (A16 is barely any better than A15), and the GPU actually can show better efficiency than the A16. If Samsung can maintain an efficient software, these 8gen2 devices should be a wake up call for Apple.

Exactly this. Geekerwan did an excellent video about the new 8 gen 2 here. Some choice screenshots below.

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"A four year leap between the 8 (Gen 1) and 8 Gen 2"

Considering these results it wouldn't be that surprising if the S23U can beat the 14PM in terms of SoT.

8 Gen 2 looks like a beast and finally getting closer to Apple territory.
 
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Dave245

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Exactly this. Geekerwan did an excellent video about the new 8 gen 2 here. Some choice screenshots below.

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"A four year leap between the 8 (Gen 1) and 8 Gen 2"

Considering these results it wouldn't be that surprising if the S23U can beat the 14PM in terms of SoT.

8 Gen 2 looks like a beast and finally getting closer to Apple territory.

But isn't the chip inside the S23 Ultra an over clocked chip, meaning it will not be exactly like that in the graph shown?
 

Technerd108

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you probably could get more for your S22 Ultra if you were to sell privately.
I have been checking Swappa and you can get more but even there the resale value is not great. For example I could sell my s22 plus for around $500 while Samsung is giving a laughable $375? By the time you deal with selling fees and shipping it is more like $425-$450.

I looked at the deal from Google Fi. $599 for a Ultra but their trade in value is an insulting $160!!

I could do the Swappa and then I would be paying around $200 for the ultra plus $200-$260 for the 4 months of service. Not bad but I have Boost mobile unlimited for $25 a month if I went with Fi it would be around $50-$65 a month and I have to port my number and be a new customer. Someone here said 4 months and I can ditch Fi but I have been burned by trying to use locked phones on another service after the contract was fulfilled so I don't know if I want to go through that again.

Otherwise it seems like the best deal so far.
 
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mjschabow

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I have been checking Swappa and you can get more but even there the resale value is not great. For example I could sell my s22 plus for around $500 while Samsung is giving a laughable $375? By the time you deal with selling fees and shipping it is more like $425-$450.

I looked at the deal from Google Fi. $599 for a Ultra but their trade in value is an insulting $160!!

I could do the Swappa and then I would be paying around $200 for the ultra. Not bad but I have Boost mobile unlimited for $25 a month if I went with Fi it would be around $50-$65 a month and I have to port my number and be a new customer. Someone here said 4 months and I can ditch Fi but I have been burned by trying to use locked phones on another service after the contract was fulfilled so I don't know if I want to go through that again.

Otherwise it seems like the best deal so far.
Yeah, and then with Swappa, minus those fees and shipping, you also have the risk of a shady buyer. The last time I sold on Swappa, the guy didn't disclose that his shipping address was a forwarding service to a foreign country, and went back and forth with him for about 2 months after Swappa finally sided with me, only followed by PayPal holding the funds because the guy tried to claim he never received it.

Long story short, easier to just send it as a trade in.
 

Technerd108

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Yeah, and then with Swappa, minus those fees and shipping, you also have the risk of a shady buyer. The last time I sold on Swappa, the guy didn't disclose that his shipping address was a forwarding service to a foreign country, and went back and forth with him for about 2 months after Swappa finally sided with me, only followed by PayPal holding the funds because the guy tried to claim he never received it.

Long story short, easier to just send it as a trade in.
I purposely didn't mention the risk part of private selling but you are right it can aways be a pain when it happens. I think there is a way to sell only in home country or USA in Swappa as I have had international buyers before and it always complicates things. I have no problem with people buying from anywhere but it is a lot harder to track and deal with issues should they arise in another country. I have had my share of bad situations with International buyers so I just don't do it anymore and you are right some of these buyers just use a US shipping address and forward it to another country. Too many scams these days. I still use Swappa a lot but ebay-forget it!
 

Technerd108

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Oct 24, 2021
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Anybody who uses Google Fi know if the plans include tax and fees or is that added to the monthly service charge and how much is it?
 

Dave245

macrumors G3
Sep 15, 2013
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If Samsung do fix the shutter lag and produces no blurry photos it will be hard not to call it likely best camera on a smart phone that you can buy

From all the photo samples I've seen on Twitter, I'm impressed so far. The thing im waiting to see is battery life. I've read a few tweets that are saying it's on par with the iPhone 14 Pro Max. I find that hard to belive tho, since Apple optimise the hell out of thier chips and phones to achieve it.
 

The Game 161

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Just seen these on Twitter. Not sure how reliable they are, but if true that would be awsome.

Not surprised. SD gen 2 efficiency is great

It may be on par with 14 pro max until 15 ultra With 3nm process
 

The Game 161

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Dec 15, 2010
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If these early impressions are true, then it is the power of TSMC fab. SD8gen2 fabbed by TSMC actually is a leap in efficiency over 8+gen1 (and even a much larger leap from Samsung fabbed 8gen1). CPU of 8gen2 is pretty much just one more step behind A15 (A16 is barely any better than A15), and the GPU actually can show better efficiency than the A16. If Samsung can maintain an efficient software, these 8gen2 devices should be a wake up call for Apple.

Wouldn’t go that far. Apple will be releasing 3nm A17 in 6 months which will likely increase the gap
 
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