Samsung Just Killed It

[MRU]

I don't think consumers consult how a phone did on benchmarks prior to purchasing it. I just don't see how benchmarks can be used for marketing purposes at this point.

Not at all. They wouldn't even know what quadrant or antutu were .

People are right here - benchmarks do not give true testament to how a phone performs in day to day use.

My S6 edge opens apps faster than any other android I've had. However once a few apps are open and in general daily use because it has to refresh content more often whilst other devices do not - it makes it feels and perform slower in usage than devices which benchmark lower.

If Samsung could actually pair it's great CPU / Hardware with true software optimisation the perhaps we could declare them to be 'killing it'.

Rather they continue to rely on raw horsepower to try and muscle through their bloated OS (We're talking bloat and poor optimisation under the hood - not the lick of paint brushed on top of touchwiz).

I truly hope they get there but at the moment their great hardware is gimped by their software and no matter how high a device benchmarks if that equation doesn't change they won't be killing anything ...

Benchmarks as they stand now reassure us the new device is more powerful than the last, but not necessarily that the end user experience will be reflected by such.

 

[maflynn]

Not at all. They wouldn't even know what quadrant or antutu were .

Tbh, I've never heard of them either.

I agree, its more of the total package, something you have to give apple credit for. They have a fast CPU, and so far they've kept the bloat out of the OS.

 

[gotluck]

I just can't get exited about samsung. Their hardware specs are already top class this is nothing new

Their software plus only having carrier variants available in the U.S. is an instant no buy for me

Samsung bloat, carrier bloat , and google bloat. I'd prefer my bloat from one company only please. Maybe two companies if they can truly optimize the software finally

 

[apolloa]

Tbh, I've never heard of them either.

I agree, its more of the total package, something you have to give apple credit for. They have a fast CPU, and so far they've kept the bloat out of the OS.

That may be true, but iOS8 has been a total disaster full of bugs and that's something they can't hide. Apple can lose customers to Android because of buggy software, it doesn't give the overall impression of good quality like it should do for the money they charge.

 

[AppleRobert]

The average Joe consumer does know one thing most of all, their flagship smartphones are overpriced.

 

[maflynn]

but iOS8 has been a total disaster full of bugs

Aside from the bugs, what other issues does iOS8 have that make it a total disaster?

 

[grkm3]

Not all gs6s lag,I've had many Android phones and my gs6 is the fastest phone I've had.I think the people talking crap about Samsung being laggy have never even used a gs6 or used one the first week before apps got updated to be optimised for the exynos soc.

Perfect example tinder app for me in under 4 min of USD would get my phone to give a warning that it's to hot and needs to cool down and lowered performance.that is all fixed now through updates.

Here is how laggy or should I say ridiculously fast a gs6 is and I can't wait for the next power house exynos comes out!

 

[apolloa]

Aside from the bugs, what other issues does iOS8 have that make it a total disaster?

Just the bugs it has/ had, I was just reflecting how the bugs reduce the feeling of quality the customer has when spending that much money on a device, especially one that is supposed to simply, work.

 

[Sevanw]

This thread is a perfect example of what some of us have have been saying for a while. The bias and hate against Samsung in this subforum is ridiculous and is hidden in sheep's (no pun intended) clothing. Can you imagine, a simple benchmark score is posted and it turned into a complete bitchfest on spinning it negatively. It sure didn't take long for that strawman to show its ignorant and bitter little had. Nowhere did Samsung or anyone else mention how this is gonna sell more phones, or that average users look at benchmarks at all. Nowhere. It was just a simple benchmark of an unidentified device. Now any objective tech enthusiasts would get excited as this means new hardware. A new CPU. Anything. But no, not here. Here it was necessary to come up with something negative to offset that benchmark. Hilarious. Try hiding it all you like, but threads like this one expose who you really are. Like I've said many times, these days haters can't talk hardware anymore, because NOBODY can touch Samsung. That seems to have really hurt a lot of people and caused them to run to their undebateble user experience argument.

So here's something to think about, we all know the everyday user doesn't care about benchmarks. Completely obvious. But you know what else average users don't care for? Micro stutters and refreshes. But it sure doesn't stop anyone here posting about it. You know, the the thing that some of you just swear exists in the new S6/Edge. It's just so unusable. Riiight. Who needs crazy pills when I got the responses in this thread to read.

 

[spinedoc77]

That's great. I'm glad you're enjoying your device. I agree user experience is subjective. So how does the 95k score help Samsung sell more phones when there's relatively cheaper android handsets that also can offer a somewhat similar experience?

I can see their point because I was exactly like that myself, blindly defending my device of choice. When I first got a fresh Note 4 it ran very fast, no lag. After a couple of weeks the lagging got worse and worse. The lag isn't a show stopper in the least, and it all depends on the users tolerance and patience. I've been through seven Note 4's and all of them had lag, I'm not saying it's representative of Note 4's but it's more experience than others who only have had one.

Let me define lag though, at least what lag means to ME. When I open the camera or task manager it takes a few seconds or more to open, this delay is what lag is to me. Of particular interest if I have a lot of apps open the task manager takes forever to open up, if I close everything it's somewhat snappy although still has a half second delay. If I reboot then most of the lag is gone, only to creep back up the longer I use it. If I reinstall the OS then its snappy for about a week or so. If I clear cache it can be snappy for a day or 2.

So for me lag = not instant. I've come to accept this as obviously apps have to load into memory, but quite often the lag is longer than expected. What is acceptable is what is up for user debate as we all have different expectations. Now if I use the same apps/functions on say a MotoX it's almost instant and the perception of lag is much less.

 

[PhiLLoW]

.But you know what else average users don't care for? Micro stutters and refreshes.

What? Those two issues are the most annoying things in mobile devices.

 

[grkm3]

I can't wait for this power house! I know exactly what this bench means and Samsung got 40-60% boost in single core performance over the gs6.that is an insane jump!

All the people that said single core matters the most what will they say when the gs7 breaks 2400 single core on geekbench? There favorite bench because single core was the only thing they had to hold on to.

I just compared these runs with my rooted gs6 with the CPU set for max clocks and in a freezer and its almost 40% faster!

They are also claiming 30-60% power reduction over the last exynos

 

[jamezr]

This thread is a perfect example of what some of us have have been saying for a while. The bias and hate against Samsung in this subforum is ridiculous and is hidden in sheep's (no pun intended) clothing. Can you imagine, a simple benchmark score is posted and it turned into a complete bitchfest on spinning it negatively. It sure didn't take long for that strawman to show its ignorant and bitter little had. Nowhere did Samsung or anyone else mention how this is gonna sell more phones, or that average users look at benchmarks at all. Nowhere. It was just a simple benchmark of an unidentified device. Now any objective tech enthusiasts would get excited as this means new hardware. A new CPU. Anything. But no, not here. Here it was necessary to come up with something negative to offset that benchmark. Hilarious. Try hiding it all you like, but threads like this one expose who you really are. Like I've said many times, these days haters can't talk hardware anymore, because NOBODY can touch Samsung. That seems to have really hurt a lot of people and caused them to run to their undebateble user experience argument.

So here's something to think about, we all know the everyday user doesn't care about benchmarks. Completely obvious. But you know what else average users don't care for? Micro stutters and refreshes. But it sure doesn't stop anyone here posting about it. You know, the the thing that some of you just swear exists in the new S6/Edge. It's just so unusable. Riiight. Who needs crazy pills when I got the responses in this thread to read.

You hit the nail on the head! No truer words have been spoken.

So here's something to think about, we all know the everyday user doesn't care about benchmarks. Completely obvious. But you know what else average users don't care for? Micro stutters and refreshes. But it sure doesn't stop anyone here posting about it.

 

[grkm3]

I can see their point because I was exactly like that myself, blindly defending my device of choice. When I first got a fresh Note 4 it ran very fast, no lag. After a couple of weeks the lagging got worse and worse. The lag isn't a show stopper in the least, and it all depends on the users tolerance and patience. I've been through seven Note 4's and all of them had lag, I'm not saying it's representative of Note 4's but it's more experience than others who only have had one.

Let me define lag though, at least what lag means to ME. When I open the camera or task manager it takes a few seconds or more to open, this delay is what lag is to me. Of particular interest if I have a lot of apps open the task manager takes forever to open up, if I close everything it's somewhat snappy although still has a half second delay. If I reboot then most of the lag is gone, only to creep back up the longer I use it. If I reinstall the OS then its snappy for about a week or so. If I clear cache it can be snappy for a day or 2.

So for me lag = not instant. I've come to accept this as obviously apps have to load into memory, but quite often the lag is longer than expected. What is acceptable is what is up for user debate as we all have different expectations. Now if I use the same apps/functions on say a MotoX it's almost instant and the perception of lag is much less.

That reboot and it runs better you get is the lollipop memory leak problem that all lollipop phones had including nexus devices

 

[jamezr]

That reboot and it runs better you get is the lollipop memory leak problem that all lollipop phones had including nexus devices

Side by side my Note 4 on Android 5.01 is faster than my Nexus 6 on 5.1.1. Then my Note 4 has so many more features that make the user experience so much better. Some are simple little things like a battery meter that shows the percentage of battery in plain text! How simple is that to have on a phone! Yet stock devices like Nexus and Moto don't even have that! Camera......is leaps and bounds better on my Note 4. Then.......added features like voice activation to snap pictures. Just say "shoot" to take pictures is a huge bonus for me.

 

[grkm3]

I just can't believe the buz on this forum now is the gs6 and touchwiz is laggy? Are you freaking kidding me? It's by far leaps and bounds faster then any phone out there.it will cold boot open Google maps a good 5 seconds faster then an iPhone 6

 

[spinedoc77]

That reboot and it runs better you get is the lollipop memory leak problem that all lollipop phones had including nexus devices

I got that with KitKat as well. But you may be right, it does sound like a memory leak. I don't know who gets the blame for that, Samsung, Google or AT&T? If Touchwiz ran like it does after a fresh install I'd be in heaven.

Interestingly enough when I used to dabble with custom ROMs I never really saw much improvement in lag, even though the ROMs were streamlined to be fast and debloated. Between the myriad of hardware issues I've had with Samsung and the software I have definitely thought twice about staying with them. But touchwiz is also very powerful and head and shoulders above any other OS overlay out there IMO and worth a little bit of headache. If the S6 runs faster than the Note 4, as many here say, then hopefully the s6 edge plus will run even faster than that. My money is still earmarked for the s6 edge as long as touchwiz adds some phablet functions to it like multi window. But knowing Samsung they will just replicate the S6 edge software and not optimize it for a phablet.

 

[MRU]

I just can't believe the buz on this forum now is the gs6 and touchwiz is laggy? Are you freaking kidding me? It's by far leaps and bounds faster then any phone out there.it will cold boot open Google maps a good 5 seconds faster then an iPhone 6

The only occasion of lag I have experienced is if your installing app updates from Google playstore 'and' changing your theme as same time - and then its only minor stutter/delay as it applies the theme. The HTC M9 did exactly the same thing when applying a theme and installing updates simulatneously ...

Other than that both the black sapphire S6e I had first (before swapping it for my gold one current) & Gold S6e has not had the lag or stutters as experienced in previous Galaxy S devices years past - and yes as you know I am picky about things like that.

My only issue ever with the S6e has been the ram / refreshing, and thankfully the Gold S6e I'm using now doesn't seem quite as bad as the black version (despite both running the exact same software / firmware) so that I can at least tolerate it.

That doesn't change the point I made earlier about benchmarks aren't truly indicative of end user experience.

That reboot and it runs better you get is the lollipop memory leak problem that all lollipop phones had including nexus devices

The lollipop memory leak was different to ram issue on S6/S6e. The lollipop ram issue was a memory hole that made performance worse after the device had been on and been used a long while. The aggressive ram on the S6 kicks in after using it for just a few minutes if you open multiple apps. It's not the same memory issue.

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Actually the most smooth Samsung device without stuff like ram or other issues for me was the Galaxy Alpha (exynos model) on KitKat. It was incredibly fast, smooth, and could multitask like a champ despite only having 2gb (I think the 720p screen aided that too). It stands out as the most smooth Samsung device I've had software wise overall (until lollipop update spoiled that actually) and the S6e is definitely the best samsung hardware and aesthetic pleasing device they have produced. Hopefully the extra 1gb ram solves the issue on the S6e+ and hopefully it isn't too pricy - I may sidegrade my S6e to the +.

 

[apolloa]

The Antutu benchmark record that is. A mystery Samsung device has just set a new record on the AnTuTu benchmarking site with a score of 95,972. The model number of the unknown device is SM-8508S. Can this be that 3rd mystery device in the teaser of the upcoming unpacked event? We shall see....

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Mystery-Samsung-device-scores-a-breathtaking-95972-on-AnTuTu_id72426

Some are saying, is it the tablet it seems they have in their secretive Note 5 Edge + promo shots?

It is a fantastic score have to admit. A new processor or a very fast clocked existing one?

 

[MRU]

Some are saying, is it the tablet it seems they have in their secretive Note 5 Edge + promo shots?

It is a fantastic score have to admit. A new processor or a very fast clocked existing one?

If it's a tablet it looks like it would be something like a Note 8.4 size wise from that photo.

They are overdue Note tablets aren't they?

 

[gotluck]

This thread is a perfect example of what some of us have have been saying for a while. The bias and hate against Samsung in this subforum is ridiculous and is hidden in sheep's (no pun intended) clothing. Can you imagine, a simple benchmark score is posted and it turned into a complete bitchfest on spinning it negatively. It sure didn't take long for that strawman to show its ignorant and bitter little had. Nowhere did Samsung or anyone else mention how this is gonna sell more phones, or that average users look at benchmarks at all. Nowhere. It was just a simple benchmark of an unidentified device. Now any objective tech enthusiasts would get excited as this means new hardware. A new CPU. Anything. But no, not here. Here it was necessary to come up with something negative to offset that benchmark. Hilarious. Try hiding it all you like, but threads like this one expose who you really are. Like I've said many times, these days haters can't talk hardware anymore, because NOBODY can touch Samsung. That seems to have really hurt a lot of people and caused them to run to their undebateble user experience argument.

So here's something to think about, we all know the everyday user doesn't care about benchmarks. Completely obvious. But you know what else average users don't care for? Micro stutters and refreshes. But it sure doesn't stop anyone here posting about it. You know, the the thing that some of you just swear exists in the new S6/Edge. It's just so unusable. Riiight. Who needs crazy pills when I got the responses in this thread to read.

I wouldn't say the anti samsung hate is only in this sub forum. Most of the non Samsung android community tends to talk crap about Samsung too. The android subreddit heralded the device the first few weeks, now it's back to the normal criticisms you see here. Even sammobiles comment section is littered with these typical comments.

I'd be curious to know what site you visit that doesn't have these comments you're seeing here. People even bitch about their software on the Samsung device specific forums on xda, you can't escape it!

 

[Michael Goff]

Yeah I read where supposedly the note 5 will have 4 gb ram with only like 773 mb user accessible. That's seems pretty heavy. The note 5 needs 3+gb to perform?

The supposed 95k score looks impressive on paper. But how will it help them sell phones, the ultimate goal? They even went back to advertising directly against the iPhone 6. It didn't help them in the past, why keep giving Apple free marketing?

I really don't trust the source of the 773mb.

 

[apolloa]

If it's a tablet it looks like it would be something like a Note 8.4 size wise from that photo.

They are overdue Note tablets aren't they?

I think so, they have released some new ones recently. I have to admit though I get VERY confused with Samsung's tablet ranges, what's low end and what's high end etc.
But a new Note 8.4" with a ludicrously fast processor would certainly be a hit, especially if it looked like the new Note and Edge, but without the glass back of course.

 

[MRU]

I really don't trust the source of the 773mb.

It was a benchmark results page but importantly you have to take into factor that it alone gives no indication how many other apps were also possibly running or in backgrounded memory at time of the result.

So I do believe it did have 773mb free - but that doesn't necessarily mean that's all that a user has available, only what was left free on that device. If there were multiple apps open (the benchmarking app has to be one for a start) then they would be using ram too. So it's entirely possible and I would expect on a cold boot there will be more ram than that. (Hopefully a lot more)

We wait and see - it for me will be the deciding factor on whether I switch my e to an e+ (other than price and how much my s6e will depreciate in cost when it comes out).

 

[Michael Goff]

It was a benchmark results page but importantly you have to take into factor that it alone gives no indication how many other apps were also possibly running or in backgrounded memory at time of the result.

So I do believe it did have 773mb free - but that doesn't necessarily mean that's all that a user has available, only what was left free on that device. If there were multiple apps open (the benchmarking app has to be one for a start) then they would be using ram too. So it's entirely possible and I would expect on a cold boot there will be more ram than that. (Hopefully a lot more)

We wait and see - it for me will be the deciding factor on whether I switch my e to an e+ (other than price and how much my s6e will depreciate in cost when it comes out).

The one fact I will always point out is that it says the Note 5 is using Dalvik 2.0 and says my S6 is running ART 2.0. So that means they inserted Dalvik into a system that (as far as I know) it was removed from just to downgrade from ART. Dalvik was replaced entirely in Lollipop, wasn't it?