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spinedoc77

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Jun 11, 2009
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Samsung's phones can't multitask. Apps are always being reloaded. I know your post history, I'm sure your model is different than the others. But it is one of the reasons for slowing sales: People learned Samsung phones can't multitask.

That's odd, I can multi screen multiple apps AT THE SAME TIME onscreen and they keep running. If that's not multi tasking then I sure as hell don't know what is.
 

Abazigal

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Jul 18, 2011
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Want a biased website? Read imore, in particular Renie. I am not one to insult, but I have never seen such biased, BS articles as they guy prints. I don't understand it....android central, the sister website, is a lot more far...even giving Apple credit when it's deserved.
You have to be kidding me. Imore biased? That is one of the most neutral sites I have ever visited. I left because I just found the place too tame and boring.

You have more luck trying to villify Appleinsider or Patently Apple.
 

maflynn

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May 3, 2009
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But they do hear it from phone reps and tech people like us all the time.
Perhaps but then most people I know treat phone salesmen below that of car salesmen, i.e., trust them even less. I expect the sales staff at a carrier store to lie through their teeth to get a sale and so stating its the fastest phone or some other metric is always taken with a grain of salt - at least for me it is :)
 
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The-Real-Deal82

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Perhaps but then most people I know treat phone salesmen below that of car salesmen, i.e., trust them even less. I expect the sales staff at a carrier store to lie through their teeth to get a sale and so stating its the fastest phone or some other metric is always taken with a grain of salt - at least for me it is :)
That's the way I feel about store reps. They have knowledge like anybody but are also biased in their own opinions. If a monetary incentive is in the equation they will advise you on anything that suits the end objective.

Car salesmen and phone reps are handled with plenty of salt thrown into the mix lol.
 
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maflynn

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They have knowledge like anybody but are also biased in their own
I bought an apple watch last week, but before that I was in the apple store a number of times, and each time (with a different salesmen) I'd try to open a discussion about the stainless steel apple watch how it scratches. They all to a "T" completely refuted the idea that SS model will incur any scratches. Some astutely pointed me towards the sport model because of my exercise regiment, and the weight of the sport is less then the of the SS, but still, from what I see, its quite easy to scuff up the stainless steel on the AW/
 

MH01

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I don't think consumers consult how a phone did on benchmarks prior to purchasing it. I just don't see how benchmarks can be used for marketing purposes at this point.

the retina macbook is being compared to 2011 and 2014 base MBAs, Seems benchmarks are very important to some people on MR in deciding if the rMB is worth the upgrade.
 

BlueGoldAce

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You have to be kidding me. Imore biased? That is one of the most neutral sites I have ever visited. I left because I just found the place too tame and boring.

You have more luck trying to villify Appleinsider or Patently Apple.
Are you joking?

If not...you can't deny Renie...the guy is a tool he is so biased....at least now he is.
 

maflynn

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the retina macbook is being compared to 2011 and 2014 base MBAs, Seems benchmarks are very important to some people on MR in deciding if the rMB is worth the upgrade.
Very much so, but we're not talking about laptops but phones (or tablets) where the consumer is much less knowledgable about benchmarks.
 

BlueGoldAce

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Very much so, but we're not talking about laptops but phones (or tablets) where the consumer is much less knowledgable about benchmarks.
True.

Not only that...but besides gaming (which is less and less), but horns do everything a consumer needs. Benchmarks are less and less indicative. It's a drastic difference compared to 3-4 years ago.
 

MH01

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Very much so, but we're not talking about laptops but phones (or tablets) where the consumer is much less knowledgable about benchmarks.

yeah but at every keynote, which launches a new iphone, or ipad, apple themselves brag about how much faster the new device is compared to the previous version. They are themselves benchmarking against the previous model. They are just smart enough not to use real work benchmarks, knowing the iphone is our performed by others. And people lap this up, mostly when it comes to the S version, having a new CPU.
 
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maflynn

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yeah but at every keynote, which launches a new iphone, or ipad, apple themselves brag about how much faster the new device is compared to the previous version.
you have a point, I guess I was looking strictly at the fact that we have benchmarks and nothing else, but I see where you're going with the argument and I concede
 

apolloa

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Time, because it rules EVERYTHING!
I bought an apple watch last week, but before that I was in the apple store a number of times, and each time (with a different salesmen) I'd try to open a discussion about the stainless steel apple watch how it scratches. They all to a "T" completely refuted the idea that SS model will incur any scratches. Some astutely pointed me towards the sport model because of my exercise regiment, and the weight of the sport is less then the of the SS, but still, from what I see, its quite easy to scuff up the stainless steel on the AW/

Well I would say maybe, because good quality watches like my Tissot feel like they are made from granite, I mean I have caught it on door frames and it takes a chunk out the frame and the watch itself is unmarked! So for the price Apple is charging I would expect the stainless steel to be the same.
 

Abazigal

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Are you joking?

If not...you can't deny Renie...the guy is a tool he is so biased....at least now he is.
I admit I haven't been to iMore of late, but I am talking about a guy who can devote an entire article to walking the reader through one of the most basic functions of the iPhone, such as how to enable icloud photo library. Then imagine him doing this multiple times a day. Or he will compare various apps for a particular purpose. I don't recall reading a single opinionated piece by him. And this was back when he used to do all those co-op articles with Android Central and Blackberry? Just dull as hell.

If you are new to the whole Apple scene and don't mind wading through tons of text (the articles can be quite informative, but nothing I didn't already know by that time), the site can be a gold mine of information. But biased? Are you sure you aren't confusing him with DED of Appleinsider? Or even John Gruber of Daring Fireball?
 

maflynn

macrumors Haswell
May 3, 2009
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So for the price Apple is charging I would expect the stainless steel to be the same.
Not to derail the thread furter, but I agree, the SS apple watch does feel well built and solid, but head on over to the watch forum and there's enough chatter about buffing our the scuffs that I think the SS is not the watch for me.

I'd be careful, no doubt but stuff happens. For me the AW is about getting notifications, while I cannot go and grab my iPhone, i.e., teaching karate, or taking a karate class. Because I think my usage is probably in a more hostile environment I'd rather have something may hide scuffs a bit better
 

BlueGoldAce

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I admit I haven't been to iMore of late, but I am talking about a guy who can devote an entire article to walking the reader through one of the most basic functions of the iPhone, such as how to enable icloud photo library. Then imagine him doing this multiple times a day. Or he will compare various apps for a particular purpose. I don't recall reading a single opinionated piece by him. And this was back when he used to do all those co-op articles with Android Central and Blackberry? Just dull as hell.

If you are new to the whole Apple scene and don't mind wading through tons of text (the articles can be quite informative, but nothing I didn't already know by that time), the site can be a gold mine of information. But biased? Are you sure you aren't confusing him with DED of Appleinsider? Or even John Gruber of Daring Fireball?
Touché.

I have been in the apple scene since the 4s, but have left and came back multiple times. Also, I do remember an imore that I enjoyed, and I know Renie was part of that.

It's just him of recently. His blogs are filled with Apple fans calling him out on his bias. He seems to dedicate himself to proving anything wrong that goes against Apple, and proving why Apple is king.

I am familiar with Apple insider, patently Apple, etc. I never gives these sites my time because it's like walking into an Apple Store and asking why said Apple product is perfect. It's biased and numbing.

Unfortunately imore as a site as been tending that way, as of the last few months, Renie leading the way. I saw someone in the iPhone forum,here, mention that.

Another article published on imore recently, not by Renie, compared the iPhone 6 to the one plus two. It concluded that the iPhone was better because it was small...and stated it didn't compare it to the 6+ for whatever reason (which is more appropriate, and erases the size concern). It also failed to mention the price as a factor.

I am the first to praise and criticize Apple, but I try to do so fairly, no matter which product I own at the time.

Right now I have an iPhone 6+ and iPad Air 2. I think the air 2 offers the best tablet experience hands down, and is worth the price (which isn't much more than premium android tablets). I think the iPhone is great, but believe there are better phones, some of them cheaper such as the newly announced Motos. There is a good chance I'll end up with the next iPhone...but that is more due to my lifestyle and work requirements than because it's the best device God ever allowed to be created.
 
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jamezr

macrumors P6
Aug 7, 2011
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Perhaps but then most people I know treat phone salesmen below that of car salesmen, i.e., trust them even less. I expect the sales staff at a carrier store to lie through their teeth to get a sale and so stating its the fastest phone or some other metric is always taken with a grain of salt - at least for me it is :)
Have to agree....but they are the person the normal person who doesn't know phone technology is buying from. They are the person extolling the virtues of the phones. Between the carrier reps and salespeople at BestBuy they do influence the buying public a great deal. They do not influence phone nerds like us because we have done the research. But the everyday person who does not look up benchmarks and only goes by what the rep is telling them is vast majority of the buying public.
 

Abazigal

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Touché.

I have been in the apple scene since the 4s, but have left and came back multiple times. Also, I do remember an imore that I enjoyed, and I know Renie was part of that.

It's just him of recently. His blogs are filled with Apple fans calling him out on his bias. He seems to dedicate himself to proving anything wrong that goes against Apple, and proving why Apple is king.

I am familiar with Apple insider, patently Apple, etc. I never gives these sites my time because it's like walking into an Apple Store and asking why said Apple product is perfect. It's biased and numbing.

Unfortunately imore as a site as been tending that way, as of the last few months, Renie leading the way. I saw someone in the iPhone forum,here, mention that.

Another article published on imore recently, not by Renie, compared the iPhone 6 to the one plus two. It concluded that the iPhone was better because it was small...and stated it didn't compare it to the 6+ for whatever reason (which is more appropriate, and erases the size concern). It also failed to mention the price as a factor.

I am the first to praise and criticize Apple, but I try to do so fairly, no matter which product I own at the time.

Right now I have an iPhone 6+ and iPad Air 2. I think the air 2 offers the best tablet experience hands down, and is worth the price (which isn't much more than premium android tablets). I think the iPhone is great, but believe there are better phones, some of them cheaper such as the newly announced Motos. There is a good chance I'll end up with the next iPhone...but that is more due to my lifestyle and work requirements than because it's the best device God ever allowed to be created.
I will take your word for it. Not to be condescending, but because I really can't be bothered to go to iMore and verify what you are telling me. I am just recounting the memories I had of iMore, and it's certainly very different from the picture that is being painted here.

I do recall iMore having an issue of low participation rates in the forum as well. Many of their articles also have zero or very few comments, because there was really nothing worth commenting about. I think there is something to be said about conflict and controversy bringing in the comments and clicks (a "good" Apple-related article at Cnet can easily bring in hundreds of comments, as fanboys from both sides leap into the fray).

I don't know if this is a move by iMore to bring in higher participation rates by trying to unleash the inner Apple fanboyishness in all of us? Again, I am really past caring for that site now (no offence, and I say this partly because I am typing at my Mac after a long day at work and I am leery of accidentally sounding too crude). :p
 
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Shanghaichica

macrumors G5
Apr 8, 2013
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Touché.

I have been in the apple scene since the 4s, but have left and came back multiple times. Also, I do remember an imore that I enjoyed, and I know Renie was part of that.

It's just him of recently. His blogs are filled with Apple fans calling him out on his bias. He seems to dedicate himself to proving anything wrong that goes against Apple, and proving why Apple is king.

I am familiar with Apple insider, patently Apple, etc. I never gives these sites my time because it's like walking into an Apple Store and asking why said Apple product is perfect. It's biased and numbing.

Unfortunately imore as a site as been tending that way, as of the last few months, Renie leading the way. I saw someone in the iPhone forum,here, mention that.

Another article published on imore recently, not by Renie, compared the iPhone 6 to the one plus two. It concluded that the iPhone was better because it was small...and stated it didn't compare it to the 6+ for whatever reason (which is more appropriate, and erases the size concern). It also failed to mention the price as a factor.

I am the first to praise and criticize Apple, but I try to do so fairly, no matter which product I own at the time.

Right now I have an iPhone 6+ and iPad Air 2. I think the air 2 offers the best tablet experience hands down, and is worth the price (which isn't much more than premium android tablets). I think the iPhone is great, but believe there are better phones, some of them cheaper such as the newly announced Motos. There is a good chance I'll end up with the next iPhone...but that is more due to my lifestyle and work requirements than because it's the best device God ever allowed to be created.

Yes Rene is a fan boy so what do you expect him to do? It's an apple site so of course he is going to defend and promote Apple. Yes he does have an anti android/Samsung rant once a week but I like him. Macbreak weekly is more balanced because they are able to see flaws and actually admit that other devices do exist and are good. Although Leo Leporte is almost like the anti Rene these days. I'm not sure he even likes Apple products lol

If I wanted a comparison between an android and apple device the last place I'd go is to imore because they are biased towards Apple. The most non biased one on the panel was Ally, but she has left now so it's a panel of fanboys now but that's ok, sometimes I do want that kook aide but when I don't I'll go elsewhere.
 
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mclld

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Nov 6, 2012
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Rene is a super fanboy. I had to stop listening to Macbreak Weekly because basically every show devolved into "har har Apple has so much money"
 

BlueGoldAce

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Rene is a super fanboy. I had to stop listening to Macbreak Weekly because basically every show devolved into "har har Apple has so much money"
Exactly.

You can be a legit website with a bias towards one company or product (like android central, wpcentral, etc...note these are sister sites) and not act like idiotic blind promoters of said company or product. You should be dedicated to informing the consumer with a true to life expectation.
 

Shanghaichica

macrumors G5
Apr 8, 2013
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Rene is a super fanboy. I had to stop listening to Macbreak Weekly because basically every show devolved into "har har Apple has so much money"
Andy and Alex are more balanced. Rene is pro Apple and Leo is anti Apple. It's funny because Rene actually believes in what he says and tries to back it up with some research that supports what he's saying, although never quite explains he just waffles. Leo doesn't even bother, he just sounds like a bratty kid when he complains.
 

mclld

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Nov 6, 2012
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Leo isnt anti-Apple, he really likes OSX and macs, he just prefers Android
 

MH01

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you have a point, I guess I was looking strictly at the fact that we have benchmarks and nothing else, but I see where you're going with the argument and I concede

Though you are spot on that people do not buy phones based on actual cross platform benchmarks, its a desktop mentality. Apple just cheats in keynotes, out benchmarking their last offering :).

I remember my iPhone 5 and 5s, the keynote made it out like it was going to be so much faster, when i got the 5s i could not tell the difference at all......
 
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