Samsung Note 4 or iPhone 6 Plus? Foot in Each Camp...

[MRU]

Not sure if this is what you are looking for, I"m a bit of a noob in settings. I hit the show cached processes tab.

Yeah even with cached services your running at twice as much ram free as me. That's a massive difference and would explain my reloading. Maybe art & lollipop are just too heavy in this build... it would explain why they stopped rolling it out generally.

I just booted upto recovery and flashed my cache there and no going to manually close other cached serviced and see if it improves.

 

[0dev]

Thought I'd make a post here instead of clogging the place up with another identical thread.

I have an S4 but after using that for a couple years I'm interested in a phablet. Thing is I am pretty bored of customising and flashing now. I want a phone that "just works" so I am looking at the iPhone 6 Plus. I use a Chromebook for my computer so I'm not really invested in the Apple ecosystem right now but I am planning to get a "real" laptop soon which might be a MacBook of some sort so that could change.

Then again iOS has apps for the whole Google ecosystem anyway so I wouldn't be losing anything even if I kept using only Google services. GMail, Play Music and Keep are the most important to me and you can get those on iOS.

If I don't get a 6 Plus I'd get a Nexus 6, I wouldn't really touch Samsung again to be honest. Hardware isn't really that bad but their software is crap and my S4 has its fair share of bugs on custom ROMs. Main one that bothers me right now is that device encryption won't work unless I go back to laggy TouchWiz.

One of the other main things pulling me towards iOS is the privacy aspect too. Google, being an ad company, isn't exactly great for privacy. And for some reason Android doesn't even give you control over app permissions unless you root whereas that's built into iOS, as is reliable automatic encryption (it's always been buggy under Android ime) and device lockdown if it's reset.

Just thinking out loud I guess but the 6 Plus is looking like a good device to replace my Samsung with. None of this is a rush since the S4 is still pretty smooth but it's something I'm thinking about for sure.

 

[spinedoc77]

Thought I'd make a post here instead of clogging the place up with another identical thread.

I have an S4 but after using that for a couple years I'm interested in a phablet. Thing is I am pretty bored of customising and flashing now. I want a phone that "just works" so I am looking at the iPhone 6 Plus. I use a Chromebook for my computer so I'm not really invested in the Apple ecosystem right now but I am planning to get a "real" laptop soon which might be a MacBook of some sort so that could change.

Then again iOS has apps for the whole Google ecosystem anyway so I wouldn't be losing anything even if I kept using only Google services. GMail, Play Music and Keep are the most important to me and you can get those on iOS.

If I don't get a 6 Plus I'd get a Nexus 6, I wouldn't really touch Samsung again to be honest. Hardware isn't really that bad but their software is crap and my S4 has its fair share of bugs on custom ROMs. Main one that bothers me right now is that device encryption won't work unless I go back to laggy TouchWiz.

One of the other main things pulling me towards iOS is the privacy aspect too. Google, being an ad company, isn't exactly great for privacy. And for some reason Android doesn't even give you control over app permissions unless you root whereas that's built into iOS, as is reliable automatic encryption (it's always been buggy under Android ime) and device lockdown if it's reset.

Just thinking out loud I guess but the 6 Plus is looking like a good device to replace my Samsung with. None of this is a rush since the S4 is still pretty smooth but it's something I'm thinking about for sure.

The 6+ is a very nice device, just be aware that it's basically just a larger iPhone and doesn't have anything special to really make it anything other than just a larger iPhone. Nothing wrong with that if you like it. I put up with Touchwiz difficulties because it's such an awesome overlay and has so much functionality not found on any other phone, but I can understand if it gets on your nerves. Sounds like you won't go wrong with the 6+.

 

[MRU]

So I found Chrome was using like 350mb in Cache and Facebook 150mb and Kindle for Samsung 78mb.... I have disabled Facebook and deleted Kindle for Samsung (will install standard Kindle app off playstore instead) and switched from Chrome to Samsung's browser. Let's see if this hopefully improves things.

Perhaps these were creating a memory hole. Very shocked with chrome in particular seeing as I rarely ever use it.


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Quick test and it's still doing it .... so it has to be lollipop / art being aggressive with memory.

Frustrating because otherwise lollipop is so much more aesthetically pleasing on it compared to 4.4.4 but this refreshing is annoying.

 

[0dev]

The 6+ is a very nice device, just be aware that it's basically just a larger iPhone and doesn't have anything special to really make it anything other than just a larger iPhone. Nothing wrong with that if you like it. I put up with Touchwiz difficulties because it's such an awesome overlay and has so much functionality not found on any other phone, but I can understand if it gets on your nerves. Sounds like you won't go wrong with the 6+.

Not really that bothered personally, I did use things like multi-window on my S4 when I first got it and had stock TW installed but once the novelty factor wore off I never used them again and haven't missed them in vanilla ROMs. They make for cool demo features but I never found any practical purpose where they'd be useful over using the phone like normal.

I just want the extra real estate to make it easier to use the phone for media and taking notes. And just out of pure preference for massive screens like I mentioned.

 

[spinedoc77]

So I found Chrome was using like 350mb in Cache and Facebook 150mb and Kindle for Samsung 78mb.... I have disabled Facebook and deleted Kindle for Samsung (will install standard Kindle app off playstore instead) and switched from Chrome to Samsung's browser. Let's see if this hopefully improves things.

Perhaps these were creating a memory hole. Very shocked with chrome in particular seeing as I rarely ever use it.

I didn't know Samsung had a kindle version, is it better than the stock one? I'd hate to lose Chrome, that's a shame you have to uninstall it. Facebook I have no use for so I don't blame you.

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Not really that bothered personally, I did use things like multi-window on my S4 when I first got it and had stock TW installed but once the novelty factor wore off I never used them again and haven't missed them in vanilla ROMs. They make for cool demo features but I never found any practical purpose where they'd be useful over using the phone like normal.

I just want the extra real estate to make it easier to use the phone for media and taking notes. And just out of pure preference for massive screens like I mentioned.

Yeah it sounds like a larger iPhone is what you need. I love multi window and use it every single day, among other Touchwiz features which I find indispensable in my daily life.

 

[MRU]

I didn't know Samsung had a kindle version, is it better than the stock one? I'd hate to lose Chrome, that's a shame you have to uninstall it. Facebook I have no use for so I don't blame you.

On galaxy app store .. they give you a selection of cheaper books each month to choose from. you have to install it from the galaxy app store though and don't forget you get a free premium Evernote subscription if you install it through there too

 

[0dev]

Yeah it sounds like a larger iPhone is what you need. I love multi window and use it every single day, among other Touchwiz features which I find indispensable in my daily life.

Yeah that's what I'm thinking too. To each their own

I think the only thing I'd miss is Android Wear. I do prefer it to the Apple Watch to be honest and I like that I got my G Watch for under £200. I probably wouldn't spend £300 on the Apple Watch and I doubt I'd get even £100 back from selling the G Watch.

 

[technosix]

Thing is I am pretty bored of customising and flashing now. I want a phone that "just works" so I am looking at the iPhone 6 Plus.

Notice my signature and you'll see I use both iOS and Android currently. I've used both platforms since they were introduced.

Speaking from my personal experience with the five iPhone 6 models and four Nexus 5 models I bought for my family of geeks I cannot recommend the iPhone 6 at this time. Perhaps in time after Apple fixes the crashing and other problems with iOS 8, at least I sure hope they fix it.

There's five of us in my family and we all enjoy multiple phones because none are perfect, but currently our Nexus 5 models running ver 4.4.4 are excellent. Fast smooth and totally trouble free, it's a delightful experience. No crashes like my super frustrating iPhone 6 Plus.

I wish I could brag about Apple like I used to, but I'd be lying. I'm NOT bashing Apple, I like them to much. I'm just being honest.

 

[Tsepz]

Perhaps then lollipop 5.0.1 is to blame ? Maybe that's why they have seemingly halted it's rollout ? I mean everything else on this device is fast, but yeah the reloading is annoying.

Out of interest what's your memory usage like after opening them all can you post an image ?

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I notice number of apps shown as active is less than the 9 backgrounded, so maybe lollipop is being too aggressive in killing my apps despite having 500mb supposedly free / left ?

Even when I go back into multitasking and refresh all of them and then go back into memory / taskmanager it's not showing them all as active which surely they should be?

I'm also on 5.0.1, I don't get reloads, this is me right now:

 

[MRU]

I'm also on 5.0.1, I don't get reloads, this is me right now:
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Well that just leaves me further perplexed. What region / carrier is your handset and what's the version of lollipop

I'm 910f DBT version from Germany.

Thinking I might just do a factory reset and start afresh at this stage.

 

[0dev]

Notice my signature and you'll see I use both iOS and Android currently. I've used both platforms since they were introduced.

Speaking from my personal experience with the five iPhone 6 models and four Nexus 5 models I bought for my family of geeks I cannot recommend the iPhone 6 at this time. Perhaps in time after Apple fixes the crashing and other problems with iOS 8, at least I sure hope they fix it.

There's five of us in my family and we all enjoy multiple phones because none are perfect, but currently our Nexus 5 models running ver 4.4.4 are excellent. Fast smooth and totally trouble free, it's a delightful experience. No crashes like my super frustrating iPhone 6 Plus.

I wish I could brag about Apple like I used to, but I'd be lying. I'm NOT bashing Apple, I like them to much. I'm just being honest.

What specific problems are you having? Shame to hear that.

 

[MRU]

Factory resetting my Note 4 now .... Fingers crossed

 

[Tsepz]

Well that just leaves me further perplexed. What region / carrier is your handset and what's the version of lollipop
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I'm 910f DBT version from Germany.

Thinking I might just do a factory reset and start afresh at this stage.

Same model and FW as you but my phone is originally South Africa - Vodacom (Vodafone ZA) branded, I then unbranded it to BTU UK FW then DBT for 5.0:

 

[technosix]

What specific problems are you having? Shame to hear that.

After years of trouble free iPhone's quite honestly I'm shocked how bad my iPhone 6 Plus really is.

Again I stress I'm NOT bashing Apple, just relaying my experience.

Frequently crashes when using any app or browser. In addition so many other issues it's too long to list. Apple replaced my first pre-ordered iPhone 6 Plus, yet this one is only better from a hardware standpoint. The first one bent, and I'm extremely careful. I've never used or needed a screen protector as an example and never scratched a display. That's spanning 9 years and over 61 phones. I take exemplary care of all my tech gear.

Software, Apple has always shipped excellent OS's. I've bought nearly every new Apple laptop since 1991, oh sure they initially have some small bugs and that's to be expected. I'm a high tech engineer of twenty years I don't expect perfect software. Yet since 2012 Apple has learned what customers will tolerate and still keep buying, so Apple now ships to that lower standard while profiting off "it just works" slogan that's a thing of the past.

Where Apple chooses to go from here remains to be seen. Proof positive that they admit there's problems is a statement they made saying iOS9 focus is improving quality. I'll believe it when it happens.

 

[MRU]

Samsung Note 4 or iPhone 6 Plus? Foot in Each Camp...

Same model and FW as you but my phone is originally South Africa - Vodacom (Vodafone ZA) branded, I then unbranded it to BTU UK FW then DBT for 5.0:0



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Did you disable any apps or anything? Ive done a factory reset and it's in process of re downloading all my apps now, previously I had disabled a number of apps like Instagram, penup, s-voice etc. thinking maybe I should leave them enabled this time ?

By the way where abouts in South Africa are you? I was born in Capetown and still have relatives in Johannesburg , Pretoria, Durban and Capetown . I left when I was young child, but used to return every summer to my grandma and aunties

I have to import my Biltong these days

 

[0dev]

After years of trouble free iPhone's quite honestly I'm shocked how bad my iPhone 6 Plus really is.

Again I stress I'm NOT bashing Apple, just relaying my experience.

Frequently crashes when using any app or browser. In addition so many other issues it's too long to list. Apple replaced my first pre-ordered iPhone 6 Plus, yet this one is only better from a hardware standpoint. The first one bent, and I'm extremely careful. I've never used or needed a screen protector as an example and never scratched a display. That's spanning 9 years and over 61 phones. I take exemplary care of all my tech gear.

Software, Apple has always shipped excellent OS's. I've bought nearly every new Apple laptop since 1991, oh sure they initially have some small bugs and that's to be expected. I'm a high tech engineer of twenty years I don't expect perfect software. Yet since 2012 Apple has learned what customers will tolerate and still keep buying, so Apple now ships to that lower standard while profiting off "it just works" slogan that's a thing of the past.

Where Apple chooses to go from here remains to be seen. Proof positive that they admit there's problems is a statement they made saying iOS9 focus is improving quality. I'll believe it when it happens.

That's disappointing considering how impressive the iPhone 6 Plus hardware looks and how solid iOS is normally. Still, the 6 Plus is still only a few months old so I hope a stability update is around the corner. I'll have to keep my eye out for news before I consider switching.

 

[Tsepz]

Did you disable any apps or anything? Ive done a factory reset and it's in process of re downloading all my apps now, previously I had disabled a number of apps like Instagram, penup, s-voice etc. thinking maybe I should leave them enabled this time ?

By the way where abouts in South Africa are you? I was born in Capetown and still have relatives in Johannesburg , Pretoria, Durban and Capetown . I left when I was young child, but used to return every summer to my grandma and aunties

I have to import my Biltong these days

I disabled many Google Apps I don't use e.g. G+, Google Music, Books, Newsstand (I use the News and Weather Google widget instead), and Photos (I use TW Gallery). Also Disabled S Voice.

I use FB and Instagram daily, so I keep them, but FB is a monster on resources.

I am in the notorious North of Johannesburg, in the home of mad traffic, road rage, road works, boets on steroids, cheating housewives and gorgeous gardens aka Fourways, lol. Great to have a fellow South African here where in CPT were you born? You were born in the most beautiful part of this country.

Haha, that has got to cost a pretty penny!

 

[technosix]

That's disappointing considering how impressive the iPhone 6 Plus hardware looks and how solid iOS is normally. Still, the 6 Plus is still only a few months old so I hope a stability update is around the corner. I'll have to keep my eye out for news before I consider switching.

I am waiting for Apple to step up and choose to do the right things to fix it

 

[MRU]

Samsung Note 4 or iPhone 6 Plus? Foot in Each Camp...

I disabled many Google Apps I don't use e.g. G+, Google Music, Books, Newsstand (I use the News and Weather Google widget instead), and Photos (I use TW Gallery). Also Disabled S Voice.

I use FB and Instagram daily, so I keep them, but FB is a monster on resources.

Thanks I feel safe disabling some apps now.

I am in the notorious North of Johannesburg, in the home of mad traffic, road rage, road works, boets on steroids, cheating housewives and gorgeous gardens aka Fourways, lol. Great to have a fellow South African here where in CPT were you born? You were born in the most beautiful part of this country.

Haha, that has got to cost a pretty penny!

Mowbray

Yeah beautiful part of the world indeed.

 

[jrswizzle]

Notice my signature and you'll see I use both iOS and Android currently. I've used both platforms since they were introduced.

Speaking from my personal experience with the five iPhone 6 models and four Nexus 5 models I bought for my family of geeks I cannot recommend the iPhone 6 at this time. Perhaps in time after Apple fixes the crashing and other problems with iOS 8, at least I sure hope they fix it.

There's five of us in my family and we all enjoy multiple phones because none are perfect, but currently our Nexus 5 models running ver 4.4.4 are excellent. Fast smooth and totally trouble free, it's a delightful experience. No crashes like my super frustrating iPhone 6 Plus.

I wish I could brag about Apple like I used to, but I'd be lying. I'm NOT bashing Apple, I like them to much. I'm just being honest.

iOS 8.2 is as stable as any. Any continued crashing might simply be something hiding in your backups/software. A fresh restore would likely fix them if they are that frustrating.

Just trying to help - my wife is experiencing a very specific crashing with her reminders app that hasn't gone away. My guess is if she did a complete restore, it'd go away as I don't have the same issue. I'll probably do it for her at some point.

 

[0dev]

iOS 8.2 is as stable as any. Any continued crashing might simply be something hiding in your backups/software. A fresh restore would likely fix them if they are that frustrating.

Just trying to help - my wife is experiencing a very specific crashing with her reminders app that hasn't gone away. My guess is if she did a complete restore, it'd go away as I don't have the same issue. I'll probably do it for her at some point.

So the fault is not with the 6 Plus? Because I have seen a few other posts on the forum mention crashes on that phone too.

 

[jrswizzle]

So the fault is not with the 6 Plus? Because I have seen a few other posts on the forum mention crashes on that phone too.

I don't experience the crash. Would seem to me if it were a problem with the software that it would affect everyone (or a large portion).

We haven't tried anything to rectify the situation for her yet so that's where I'm at. If we restore her 6 and set up as new and she still has the problem, it'll be an OS thing.

My wife has a 6, I have both the 6 and 6+. I think it's just a bug that's stuck around in her iCloud backups and has been transferred to her 6.

 

[MRU]

Samsung Note 4 or iPhone 6 Plus? Foot in Each Camp...

So the fault is not with the 6 Plus? Because I have seen a few other posts on the forum mention crashes on that phone too.

I haven't had any recurring crashes or such on ios8 either on my iPhone or iPad Air 2. Basically everyone's experience can vary. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen, just means you can't just paint everyone with same brush. Much like my lollipop experience on the Note 4 shouldn't be seen as everyone's, only mine. (Thankfully KitKat for me is solid). Again it doesn't invalidate or make individual experiences any less true/real, but doesn't at the same time speak for whole.

Software is man made, hardware is man made, man is not infallible. All devices can have their problems ... Much like all humans can have theirs

 

[jrswizzle]

That's disappointing considering how impressive the iPhone 6 Plus hardware looks and how solid iOS is normally. Still, the 6 Plus is still only a few months old so I hope a stability update is around the corner. I'll have to keep my eye out for news before I consider switching.

For what its worth, I'm on a 6+ on 8.2 and have no issues with frequent crashes or reloading apps.

It's not 100% - then again it never is with any tech. But I don't have anywhere near the issues of the above poster. Seems to be a YMMV situation.

I would ask if the quoted poster has used an iOS device on 8.2?