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mi7chy

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It would actually be safer than holding a phone to your ear.

Gear VR acts like safety goggles not only increasing the phone distance from body but also serves as a barrier. In terms of safety, I'd say Gear VR > holding phone to ear where you can hear the hissing and easily discard > being in pocket where it's harder to hear and fish out.

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5105973

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Gear VR acts like safety goggles not only increasing the phone distance from body but also serves as a barrier. In terms of safety, I'd say Gear VR > holding phone to ear where you can hear the hissing and easily discard > being in pocket where it's harder to hear and fish out.

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It would actually be safer than holding a phone to your ear.
Yes, sure...but have you seen the sharks? :eek::eek::eek::eek: I put the VR goggles on in the AT&T store and they surrounded me! :eek::eek::eek::eek:
 
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mi7chy

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Yes, sure...but have you seen the sharks? :eek::eek::eek::eek: I put the VR goggles on in the AT&T store and they surrounded me! :eek::eek::eek::eek:

I can imagine but those coke bottle lenses are pretty darn thick like being behind thick Sea World glass enclosures.
 
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Savor

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Samsung capping it to 60% shows fast charging is the culprit. So it has happened 70 times now in the U.S. alone. Reason why I posted that pic of the woman's S7 exploding is to prove Note7 isn’t the only phone guilty of doing this but it did surprise me she wasn't charging it either.

Type-C is still a new standard and fast charging is immature and generates plenty of heat especially during the trickle charge. If you have fast charging capability, turn it off and download this app called Du Battery Saver. It tells you the temperature of the battery when charging.

I will keep repeating it until Samsung listens to our complaints. Bring back removable battery to the Note line. The Note series is a productivity device. Not a fashionista one. I don't get why Samsung can use the same front of the Note7 and not have the back replaceable like the Note 3 and 4 had. If they have to go thicker, we can live with it.

Come back to your senses, Samsung. Stop emulating Apple. The Galaxy J series have removable battery and the J7 (2016) has stellar battery life but the Note5 and 7 isn’t removable? Project Zero is cute. Very Xperia Z-ish but with the dual edge. Now go back being practical.
 

kdarling

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At least 70 cases now just in the us.

Yep, Samsung and Canadian public health authorities released that bigger number in order to try to encourage Canadians to turn their phone in for replacement.

So far, no reports of fires in Canada. According to their site (http://healthycanadians.gc.ca/recall-alert-rappel-avis/hc-sc/2016/60168r-eng.php):

"Health Canada and Samsung Canada have received one report of a phone battery overheating.

"No injuries have been reported.
"
 

Truefan31

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Samsung capping it to 60% shows fast charging is the culprit. So it has happened 70 times now in the U.S. alone. Reason why I posted that pic of the woman's S7 exploding is to prove Note7 isn’t the only phone guilty of doing this but it did surprise me she wasn't charging it either.

Type-C is still a new standard and fast charging is immature and generates plenty of heat especially during the trickle charge. If you have fast charging capability, turn it off and download this app called Du Battery Saver. It tells you the temperature of the battery when charging.

I will keep repeating it until Samsung listens to our complaints. Bring back removable battery to the Note line. The Note series is a productivity device. Not a fashionista one. I don't get why Samsung can use the same front of the Note7 and not have the back replaceable like the Note 3 and 4 had. If they have to go thicker, we can live with it.

Come back to your senses, Samsung. Stop emulating Apple. The Galaxy J series have removable battery and the J7 (2016) has stellar battery life but the Note5 and 7 isn’t removable? Project Zero is cute. Very Xperia Z-ish but with the dual edge. Now go back being practical.

What's odd is that while the note 7 uses USB c it doesn't use quick charge 3.0
 

shyam09

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Oct 31, 2010
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On the one hand, this does at least unconfirm that a Note 7 phone is exploding while not charged. On the other hand, it opens up Samsung to more trouble as the Note 7 is not the only phone with issues. On the third hand, it goes to show that you should never buy a cheap phone. On the last hand, the Samsung brand is getting beat up regardless.
It could also be that they were using a third-party battery. We just won't know until the investigation. But I agree on the last part, even if it ends up being a third-party battery, the damage has been done.

My issue is, and I quote the dreaded CNET article (source: https://www.cnet.com/news/exploding-samsung-galaxy-phone-burns-6-year-old/) is this:

The boy's family initially told the New York Post that the exploding phone was the recalled Samsung Galaxy Note 7. But CBS 2 in New York reported later that the boy's mother clarified that it was not the Galaxy Note 7, but instead was an older Samsung model, the Galaxy Core.

I'm glad the mother clarified. I'm guessing this might have been a case of unfamiliarity with technology combined with a rush to get the kid to the hospital. I'm a bit unfamiliar with the media proceeding, but I'm thinking that someone from the family had reached out to the media to inform them that this had happened, right? In that case, wouldn't it have been more appropriate to make sure all the facts were correct.

Samsung takes a huge hit with this one, because even though the original statement has been corrected, not everyone is going to be aware of it. As far as most people are concerned, a Note 7 exploded in a child's hand. You can see a quick shot of the battery here - http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...nd-Explosion-Brooklyn-New-York-393131791.html (second video on the page, about half way through the article).
 

MRU

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It could also be that they were using a third-party battery. We just won't know until the investigation. But I agree on the last part, even if it ends up being a third-party battery, the damage has been done.

My issue is, and I quote the dreaded CNET article (source: https://www.cnet.com/news/exploding-samsung-galaxy-phone-burns-6-year-old/) is this:



I'm glad the mother clarified. I'm guessing this might have been a case of unfamiliarity with technology combined with a rush to get the kid to the hospital. I'm a bit unfamiliar with the media proceeding, but I'm thinking that someone from the family had reached out to the media to inform them that this had happened, right? In that case, wouldn't it have been more appropriate to make sure all the facts were correct.

Samsung takes a huge hit with this one, because even though the original statement has been corrected, not everyone is going to be aware of it. As far as most people are concerned, a Note 7 exploded in a child's hand. You can see a quick shot of the battery here - http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...nd-Explosion-Brooklyn-New-York-393131791.html (second video on the page, about half way through the article).
No in all likelihood it started out as a local news coverage article, perhaps when filling out incident form at the hospital and someone heard/read Samsung phone exploded and automatically assumed it was the same thing. Essentially someone put 1+1 together and got 3. Could have even been a Facebook post or anything. Mistakes like this can and do clearly as evidenced here happen.

I very much doubt this was the parent or grandparents fault. It was just a case of lost in translation somewhere (Chinese whispers syndrome).

Regardless, whilst it wasn't a Note 7, it doesn't make the incident for the family concerned any the less traumatic. That's the important part to remember.
 
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Shanghaichica

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Not the way litigation works here.
Not the way it works at all. They court would like at the measures A took to inform users about the defect and if A did not take all reasonable steps, then A is still liable.

If it was a simple as Radon is making out Samsung would not be resorting to drastic tactics (threats to remotely deactivate devices). Samsung know they are still liable for any fallout.
 
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Radon87000

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Not the way it works at all. They court would like at the measures A took to inform users about the defect and if A did not take all reasonable steps, then A is still liable.

If it was a simple as Radon is making out Samsung would not be resorting to drastic tactics (threats to remotely deactivate devices). Samsung know they are still liable for any fallout.
Its subjective as to whether they took all reasonable steps.In my opinion they did.

The battery update is only pushed in Korea not the US
 
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5105973

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It could also be that they were using a third-party battery. We just won't know until the investigation. But I agree on the last part, even if it ends up being a third-party battery, the damage has been done.

My issue is, and I quote the dreaded CNET article (source: https://www.cnet.com/news/exploding-samsung-galaxy-phone-burns-6-year-old/) is this:



I'm glad the mother clarified. I'm guessing this might have been a case of unfamiliarity with technology combined with a rush to get the kid to the hospital. I'm a bit unfamiliar with the media proceeding, but I'm thinking that someone from the family had reached out to the media to inform them that this had happened, right? In that case, wouldn't it have been more appropriate to make sure all the facts were correct.

Samsung takes a huge hit with this one, because even though the original statement has been corrected, not everyone is going to be aware of it. As far as most people are concerned, a Note 7 exploded in a child's hand. You can see a quick shot of the battery here - http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...nd-Explosion-Brooklyn-New-York-393131791.html (second video on the page, about half way through the article).
I am so cynical about the news anymore. One reason I had to quit Facebook was to keep my sanity because time and time again my friends would be frothing at the mouth furious about some news item. They would want me to get mad, too and share the "news" and react in some way.

But I would not react immediately. I would then investigate multiple sources and wait for the inevitable corrections to trickle out. Why? Because nowadays this sort of misreporting of salient facts happens all the time in the rush to get headlines for click bait.

I am 50 and remember an era when journalists would vet their sources, not the reader, and they would have died of shame to report incorrect information and their editors used to actually edit.

Anyway, I would quietly correct my friends information in private message. In other cases when absolute panic was breaking out, I'd link to corrected sources and say don't worry, new information has come to light. In other words, try not to embarrass my friends for jumping the gun. But nobody likes to be corrected. In some cases with political news, for instance, which often consists of complete lies or exaggerations about political candidates of any party, trying to get accurate information out will get you resentment.

This MacRumors forum currently is the only social venue I know of where people actually seem to appreciate unbiased accurate information. For the most part. There are some rabid biases that pop out from fringe members or new members who post and then are never seen again, but the core membership is reasonable and logical and strives for accuracy.

I would rather remember my friends the way they were and the way I was, before Facebook gave us all the opportunity to make asses of ourselves.
 

nviz22

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Not the way it works at all. They court would like at the measures A took to inform users about the defect and if A did not take all reasonable steps, then A is still liable.

If it was a simple as Radon is making out Samsung would not be resorting to drastic tactics (threats to remotely deactivate devices). Samsung know they are still liable for any fallout.

What Samsung has on its hands hasn't been seen. Common law negligence is simpler : duty, breach, causation, and damages.

Really comes down to the lawyers, evidence, venue, and legal standards. I do know that a US Federal Court would be more hostile towards Samsung given that Consumer Watch Dogs, the FAA, etc aren't happy with Samsung.
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Its subjective as to whether they took all reasonable steps.In my opinion they did.

The battery update is only pushed in Korea not the US

Too much red-tape to overnight an OTA in the US.
 

Radon87000

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In the US this could turn into a class action lawsuit. Just look at all of the class action lawsuits against apple.
The class action law suits are unhappy customers who deserve justice (especially the Touch Disease customers) but the sad fact of the matter is that US courts are biased to Apple (Having a battalion of expert lawyers and a multi billion dollar organisation helps).So even if they ignore the multiple lawsuits of planned obsolescence,Touch Dieases everything will still be fine whereas the Courts are equally biased against Samsung based on so many cases they lost there so they will always lose

If I recall the affected batteries are mostly from Korea which affects only 0.14% phones so Samsung will be more desperate in those areas rather than the US where the error rate might be smaller
 

I7guy

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Nov 30, 2013
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Gotta be in it to win it
The class action law suits are unhappy customers who deserve justice (especially the Touch Disease customers) but the sad fact of the matter is that US courts are biased to Apple (Having a battalion of expert lawyers and a multi billion dollar organisation helps).So even if they ignore the multiple lawsuits of planned obsolescence,Touch Dieases everything will still be fine whereas the Courts are equally biased against Samsung based on so many cases they lost there so they will always lose

If I recall the affected batteries are mostly from Korea which affects only 0.14% phones so Samsung will be more desperate in those areas rather than the US where the error rate might be smaller
No class action lawsuits are class action lawsuits. And many don't make it and many get dismissed. And some potential (like the Samsung battery issue) is quite irrelevant on how what the percentage is there are lawyers waiting to do this on basis of a fee for win. And the liability damages can be huge for Samsung.
 

Radon87000

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No class action lawsuits are class action lawsuits. And many don't make it and many get dismissed. And some potential (like the Samsung battery issue) is quite irrelevant on how what the percentage is there are lawyers waiting to do this on basis of a fee for win. And the liability damages can be huge for Samsung.
If Samsung thought the liability from class action lawsuits as a financial threat they would remotely deactivate all these Notes and be done with it or at the very least issue the battery cap update.Its easier to remotely brick devices.Ask Apple.
 

steve knight

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They are making a patch that will stop charging at 60% that should make them safe till things are worked out.
 

kdarling

macrumors P6
I very much doubt this was the parent or grandparents fault. It was just a case of lost in translation somewhere (Chinese whispers syndrome).

According to the local NBC news up here where it happened, the grandfather is the one who said it was a Note. The boy's mother later corrected him. (The phone itself belonged to the grandmother.)

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Side info: According to the Consumer Products Safety Commission,

"CPSC and Samsung are working cooperatively to formally announce an official recall of the devices, as soon as possible.

"CPSC is working quickly to determine whether a replacement Galaxy Note 7 is an acceptable remedy for Samsung or their phone carriers to provide to consumers.
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I7guy

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Gotta be in it to win it
If Samsung thought the liability from class action lawsuits as a financial threat they would remotely deactivate all these Notes and be done with it or at the very least issue the battery cap update.Its easier to remotely brick devices.Ask Apple.
you are now trolling. apple has nothing to do with this , yet you still bring them into the conversation.
 
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Radon87000

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you are now trolling. apple has nothing to do with this , yet you still bring them into the conversation.
It was intended to inject humor into the conversation.:) The point was that an easier way exists for Samsung to remotely disable the Notes as theres no need to go through all this headache if all it takes is a small update
[doublepost=1473863684][/doublepost]lol.What the hell is happening.Another S7 in the UK exploded

http://thedroidguy.com/2016/09/samsung-galaxy-s7-spontaneously-explodes-uk-1064605
 

kdarling

macrumors P6
lol.What the hell is happening.Another S7 in the UK exploded

It likely would not have been reported at all if it weren't for the Note recall.

News sites had gotten so used to iPhones and others burning up after using third party adapters, that they had mostly stopped mentioning such incidents.

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With everything from hoverboards to phones to airplanes catching on fire, it seems that the world needs to look more carefully at the tradeoffs of using these batteries to save some weight.

Look at how Boeing had so much trouble with their Dreamliner because of them. And right now, Airbus is trying to push back against US regulations requiring their battery setup to meet new safety standards that arose because of Boeing.
 
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