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I was talking about recent years not overall. We all know Samsung used to add some amazing features but that's quickly stopped and they are becoming Apple in mindset
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I was talking about recent years not overall. We all know Samsung used to add some amazing features but that's quickly stopped and they are becoming Apple in mindset
Samsung trade ins? yea that is true tbh, they do have incentives with deals and offers at times tho. Google i think have done well this year from the reviews I’ve seen.
Hopefully the S25 Ultra will be a better update than current rumours are saying, didn’t they hire a new lead designer?
Ice universe has said video will be better and it will be the lightest phone with the thinnest bezels and easier to hold so rounded corners.
That sounds like will be the focus. SD gen 4 will be on all devices which is a massive win for the non ultra models
However rumours suggest there will be a price increase
SD gen 4 is said to be very expensive
To off set the price increase I wonder if they will offer decent pre-order bonuses. Google’s this year wasn’t as good as previous years, 12 months of Gemini Advanced and a storage upgrade. Previous years they offered a free Watch, Could we be about to see the slow death of pre-order bonuses? After all Apple have never done it.
I will have to wait until the S25 Ultra is announced to decide fully, but i may sit this one out if it’s not a big upgrade. My S24 Ultra is my second phone to my iPhone. I think if it wasn’t for my S24 Ultra, i would have tried the Pixel 9 Pro XL as my second phone.
I dunno I think going forward pre order bonus will be getting al free for a year. That’s the trend I think that we will see. Samsung will be charging for it Soon
Like i said its ok not to like Samsung. But then turn around and compare them to Apple that virtually makes no changes to the product year after year.
You can't compare them to Samsung when Samsung leads the space in feature on a smartphone that no other smartphone has....
Then the one thing we can all agree on is the smartphone space has evolved to the point that minor changes are the norm now.
Then as the smartphone space evolved...the next space to go witht he physical limitations of a flat candy bar type smartphone was a FOLDING phone.
Then not to offer one but TWO types of folding phones!
Who lead the smartphone space to the next evolution......it wasn't Apple. It was Samsung.
Who leads the space in displays....its not Apple again....Its Samsung.......even iPhones have Samsung displays.
Don't say Samsung doesn't make changes when their features are unmatched in other smartphones.
Like say S-Pen and the features and software that comes along with that ability to draw with precision on a smartphone. What other smartphone has that? None......
Like i said its ok to not like Samsung....... Its ok to not like their camera system. But they still produce great pictures.
Then they have a better zoom that is unmatched on most smartphones and greatly better than iPhones.
Then Samsung had circle search first for their camera system. Apple wont have that feature til late this year or next year. Almost a year later
So no to your original statements that Samsung just releases the same old thing year after year without making changes. The features and innovation they have are not matched on a smartphones and certainly not on an iPhone.
The above statements reeks of defending Apple by alluding that other phone makers do it as well.
As I said.....its ok to not like Samsung.....but then to go on and say they aren't making changes year after year to the smartphones and not admit the features they have and not duplicated anywhere is just not accurate.
Stop saying they are not changing when what they already have has evolved beyond what others are offering.
It is funny to read that someone wants Samsung to release more and different phones. When the biggest complaint from people has always been that Samsung releases too many phones lol
I don't feel the Galaxy Watch Ultra is a copy of the Apple Watch Ultra. I mean Garmin and others have been putting out big phones exactly like that for years. Then isn't that where the smartwatch space is evolving to?
Even Apple is making the base model AW 10 a little bigger this year. Bigger phones and bigger watches is what is selling.
I do not think there will be a whole lot of changes in the S25 models to be honest. What can they do? There will be camera and speed improvements and so forth. They are rumored to make the edges a little rounder as the renders posted here show. But then the phones wont be released until late February or early March so a lot can change between now and then.
One thing that Samsung doesn't get enough cred for is their anti reflective screen. Really is a game changer for me when comparing to other screens.
Again it's about not liking Samsung. if I didn't not like Samsung I wouldn't buy their phones year on year. As I said Samsung have been producing the same phone year on year since maybe the S20 ultra. the design has stayed around the same, cameras for most part are unchanged, charging speeds are the same and so is the battery capacity. Sound similar? yes similar to what apple do year after year.
Samsung USED to be market leader for features and making their devices better year on year but that has stopped for the past 2-3 years.
What changes are you on about? it's been the same phone since S20 ultra. same awful shutter lag which ruins photos. same processing which isn't very pleasing.
displays? we know Samsung make great displays but that's not anything new is it? reflective display is great and maybe the only good thing about the S24 ultra from the s23 ultra but then that's not their doing. They bought the rights to this so they could use it. More will likely use that in the next few years. Is that enough to say they have really made some big differences? not really no.
S pen you say? the S pen has been around since the note series that's not new. S pen is ideal for those who use it but it's not really changed apart from allowing circle to search. other Chinese brands like honor do have pen support and so does one plus open BTW. it's just not marketed.
which btw was only one Samsung first because they paid google big money to let be so. We all know this is a google feature which they created.
and in regards to zoom? S24 ultra is abit of a joke now. S23 ultra sure was great but now? I wouldn't even say Samsungs zoom is even top 5 anymore or if it is maybe 5th. it's gone from the best to middle of the pack zoom camera. As an owner of many Chinese phones I would know after testing them. s24 ultra will made short term zoom better Long range was made worse.
Samsung have a freaking 200mp telephoto zoom camera which they don't use. go fiqure on that one
so sorry no I stand by my statements that Samsung have become stale and are adding very little year on year to justify the money they want from consumers.
I would love to know how the statements I've made reeks of defending apple when I've clearly said apple Haven't been adding much year on year. I've simply said both are similar in that regard. what I've said is apple have added more in hardware and software more than Samsung the past 3 years which is correct. wether Samsung already had it or not is besides the point.
and I will say they are not changing when they aren't. As I said same battery capacity, same charging speeds, same cameras for the past 4 years and it will be the same in 2025 by all accounts. 8 years down the line and they still produce blurry photos of people and their night mode is still awful for most part.
what saves Samsung in the android space is it's available worldwide so people have no choice but to buy them if they want android. Pixel is making pushes to hurt Samsung sales but that's still a long way off.
so for the last time I want Samsung to be great and bring out great hardware it will only make competition better for the tech space but they have got lazy. That needs to change and if all rumours are correct that's not changing in 2025.
fold 7 also need to be better and I hope it does as it's a great foldable let down by subpar hardware compared to the rest out there.
You don’t think the Galaxy Watch Ultra is a copy of the Apple Watch Ultra? Even internally Samsung is having people complain that it looks too much like Apples Watch Ultra.
I’m not saying they should release more phones, im saying I want them to make the S25 Ultra something different, change the design, innovate!!
How would you want them to innovate? Like an S-Pen? Maybe zoom? But then no other best selling smartphones have those thing like Samsung phones do..... they are innovating it has just being taken for granted.
Change the design...like making of fold? They offer that already....
I would love to see them offer the S25 Ultra in a model that has rounded corners without an S-Pen to make room for a bigger battery. I mean rounded corners as in the Pixel 9 XL. Still keep the same size as the S24U.
The S pen is old news, they’ve had it for years now! They have even hired a new designer, yet it seems he can’t come up with anything new (at least from the rumours).
No not a foldable, in my view they are a compromised product, at least where durability is concerned. I think Samsung can put more into R&D and come up with something else. They came out with the Galaxy Ring, that’s new, so why can’t they do it with the phone?
Sorry but our conversation was around your false statement that you have tried to change or explain away.
It has become quite clear to most who have read your comments on Samsung in these forums and on your other social media platforms that you don't care for Samsung. Thats ok you don't have like them.
You may buy the phones but then go on the say negative things and comment on how others do things better.
The bolded above is false...
I have given you all the features that Samsung smartphones have that iPhones do not.
You can try to explain them away and denigrate them but those are facts.
Then as the candy bar type phones space has evolved and kind of stagnated...Samsung makes FOLDABLES.
One could even say that is where smartphones are going to eventually evolved to as a whole.
Samsung does more than Apple and I have provided all the reasons and facts to prove it.
Continuing this conversation with you is fruitless. You keep moving the goal posts with long winded explanations.
I am going to stop here as I have proven my point with your statement above in bold that I replied to.
Lets stop taking this thread off topic....
But like what though? Haven't they done that with foldables? I mean there is only so much they can do with the flat candy bar type phone. That applies to all phone makers as well.
Yes some of their features have been around for a while but that doesn't mean they are not innovation. No one else has them or has been able to duplicate them.
I think they can make some software changes though. I would like to see them develop a face unlock system like FaceID. Make the camera shutter speed a little faster. IMHO the changes will happen on the software side and the user experience. I would love to see more AI integration and more feature set with Gemini and Google Assistant.
As long as they don’t start charging us for the AI features. I would like them to change it up a bit, doesn’t have to be dramatic, maybe move that camera lens to the centre, add another camera lens that improved the camera zoom, how about 200X zoom instead of 100x?
I’m not sure if that’s all possible since im not an engineer. Hell I’m not even saying that I won’t buy S25 Ultra, maybe in Jan/Feb they will come out with something more than what Apple did, something that makes me trade in my S24 Ultra and trade up to the S25 Ultra. Don’t get me wrong I’m not against Samsung, i’m just hoping they do more than what Apple did at that event, because I was massively disappointed, i’m saying that as an Apple fan for years.
Maybe they will surprise us? Maybe we will also get a Galaxy Ring 2. I have no idea. All I know is I was massively disappointed with the iPhone 16 announcement and I want more from Samsung with the S25 range.
I think you and I agree more than we disagree
I think everyone will eventually charge for AI to some extent.I would love love to see 200x zoom as well. I also want them to do more with stability when zooming.
I hope they improve their face unlock on par with FaceID.
Imagine working harder at the office, and then there's the guy next to you who does the bare minimum. Then when work evaluations come, you're told you're not doing much, so you point out the guy next to you doing the bar minimum. Your manager's response: Oh but that's how he's always been so that's acceptable.
No there has been no false statement. think you have simply made an assumption on what I was talking about in the first place which isn't what I meant
you couldn't be more wrong on the 2nd bit. I very much enjoy using Samsung phones but I will certainly not ignore their short comings and will call them out for said shortcomings. The kind of short comings they have no excuse to get wrong for the prices they are charging such as shutter speed issues and making any photo with moving objects blurry that's not excusable for what they charge and how big they are as a brand.
I buy the phones so I can make an honest opinion of them. If I say negative things about Samsungs phones they are more than justified.
I don't like the route Samsung are on at the moment but I won't rule out completely getting the S25 ultra as when it comes to a global rom the software is great with plenty of features even if the camera performance isn't as good as other phones I use.
It wasn't false as what I was talking about was in recent years as in the saying what have you done for me lately crowd. As I mentioned you made an assumption of me saying iPhone has always done more than Samsung which isn't what I was saying.
I'm more than aware of the features Samsung do provide compared to the iPhone as Samsung phones will always have plenty of ways to use the phone compared to the iPhone. however iPhones do plenty of things that work well that don't on Samsung. Hence why it's really down to software preference. I've always said Samsung do have more features than the iPhone and I wasn't ' saying as an overall package iPhone does more as it doesn't. It was more about in recent years.
No goal posts have been moved here I think you simply misunderstood what I was saying or I clearly made it seem I was talking about something else in a different context.
So maybe i'am to blame for not making it more clear on what my post was originally about.
Happy for this to be the last post regarding this as my intention wasn't to start anything with you here. I just want to see more from Samsung as a tech fan I certainly want to see all brands adding more year on year.
anyway back to the S25 ultra.
exactly...we all have that one guy at work that fits this to a tee....
That does look pretty good, I hope they match the colour of the S-Pen to the phone, unlike the last couple of years where it's been black but with the tip only matching.Won't lie if the design does look like this Samsung would've done well
This design looks great
I haven’t read through all of the comments regarding Samsung v. Apple v. everyone else and who’s been implementing the best upgrades over recent years but though I’d share my persepective.
Feels like in regards to traditional smartphones, we’ve really hit peak smartphone. I’m not saying things won’t improve anymore but hardware changes are really going to continue to be incremental over the coming years because, let’s face it there are only so many things left to improve in this form factor. Camera sensors can only get so big in these thin smartphones, screens already push right to the edge, finger print readers can only get so much faster/reliable. Eventually, face unlocking hardware will probably be able to be implemented under display so holes/notches may eventually disappear.
Have Google’s changes this year felt the most substantial? Yes, probably, but some of that is also due to the fact that they’ve had the most ground to make up in relation to Apple and Samsung, who hit their peaks years ago. Google’s tensor chips just couldn’t compete with Apple’s A chips and Qualcomm’s recent SD chips. Efficiencies and battery life suffered for it. If you’re coming from behind, of course your improvements are going to feel more substantial. Apple and Samsung have just had such good products for a while now that they had less room for improvement comparably. Did Apple’s upgrade cycle feel a bit underwelming? Yeah, but what else are they going to add? Take a moment to take inventory of what changed and it’s more than you think. The camera capture button is a brand new change, the ultra wide camera in now 48MP, the screens got bigger, the regular size pro adopted the 5x zoom, battery life quite a bit better, charging both wirelessly and wired got faster, new photo/video formats. I’d argue they did much less last year when they only added 2x to the Pro Max zoom, changed the frame build material and switched to USB-C. But this isn’t about the iPhone, more so just how context can change our perception.
The biggest differences we’re seeing between Google, Apple, Samsung and others in hardware now really is design aesthetics. Maybe you prefer the squared off design of Samsung vs. the sleek rounded corners and sharp edges of iPhones (and now Pixels).
The biggest changes going forward are going to be in software, and actually have been for recent years. Camera improvements are because of the software running on these devices and the systems on/in a chip that are running the software. AI/ML is what’s driving all of the noteworthy improvements. The races going forward will be won on the software front.
Feels like in regards to traditional smartphones, we’ve really hit peak smartphone. I’m not saying things won’t improve anymore but hardware changes are really going to continue to be incremental over the coming years because, let’s face it there are only so many things left to improve in this form factor. Camera sensors can only get so big in these thin smartphones, screens already push right to the edge, finger print readers can only get so much faster/reliable. Eventually, face unlocking hardware will probably be able to be implemented under display so holes/notches may eventually disappear.
Have Google’s changes this year felt the most substantial? Yes, probably, but some of that is also due to the fact that they’ve had the most ground to make up in relation to Apple and Samsung, who hit their peaks years ago. Google’s tensor chips just couldn’t compete with Apple’s A chips and Qualcomm’s recent SD chips. Efficiencies and battery life suffered for it. If you’re coming from behind, of course your improvements are going to feel more substantial. Apple and Samsung have just had such good products for a while now that they had less room for improvement comparably. Did Apple’s upgrade cycle feel a bit underwelming? Yeah, but what else are they going to add? Take a moment to take inventory of what changed and it’s more than you think. The camera capture button is a brand new change, the ultra wide camera in now 48MP, the screens got bigger, the regular size pro adopted the 5x zoom, battery life quite a bit better, charging both wirelessly and wired got faster, new photo/video formats. I’d argue they did much less last year when they only added 2x to the Pro Max zoom, changed the frame build material and switched to USB-C. But this isn’t about the iPhone, more so just how context can change our perception.
The biggest differences we’re seeing between Google, Apple, Samsung and others in hardware now really is design aesthetics. Maybe you prefer the squared off design of Samsung vs. the sleek rounded corners and sharp edges of iPhones (and now Pixels).
The biggest changes going forward are going to be in software, and actually have been for recent years. Camera improvements are because of the software running on these devices and the systems on/in a chip that are running the software. AI/ML is what’s driving all of the noteworthy improvements. The races going forward will be won on the software front.
This is a good point, one I didn't actually consider about Google. They did have more ground to make up when it came to Pixel devices, especially in battery life. That being said I still feel underwhelmed by Apple this year, even their AI isnt ready and not rolling out in IOS 18, at least not fully.
I feel like Apple could of added things like 120hz screen to the standard iPhone 16, increased the zoom on the Pro's, there's no excuse when Samsung has a 200mp camera, 100x zoom and 120hz screens. BUT I feel the biggest insult from Apple was when it came to the AirPods Max, 4 years since the originals and all they could do was give new colours and add USB-C. That left a horrible taste in my mouth.
I feel even when it comes to Samsung, they are copying Apple BUT at least they have bothered to make a new product like the Galaxy Ring. I do hope the S25 range is a bigger update than rumoured, I think they could push it further. As I said in a previous post, why not move the camera rings? can they not make them a different shape even? a different design to give products a fresh feel I think would be great.
I was only looking at the iPhones specifically but yeah, the 'update' to the AirPods Max was insulting. I didn't even speak to the standard iPhones which, except for the obvious omission of 120hz, got even more substantial upgrades year over year.
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