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I was specifically referring to the post I quoted.....my point still stands.
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Samsung says its next-gen smartphones will have 64-bit processors too
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Ok?
I was specifically referring to the post I quoted.....my point still stands.
Yes, it certainly can be, but it isn't. And also, I doubt the transition to 64-bit applications will be more of a headache for Android developers.
64-Bit does not improve the performance of ARM processors, because many existing 32-Bit ARM-based apps use already NEON (128-Bit SIMD instructions) and usually no integer data longer than 32 bits. So 32-Bit registers are enough for those apps. The switch to 64-Bit is more a preparation for the future (larger RAM and larger data types, like 64-Bit integers).
I'm asking him a question to see what the OP will do in the future.
What's your point? I can't talk to other posters? I know you like me, but c'mon.
Your points are fine. But I think you're wrongfully directing them at me. You should look at your own party first. Like I've said before, you're kidding yourself if you think the level of hypocrisy between Apple and Samsung are equal. Hardly. lol.
Yeah well my dad can beat up your dad!
All kidding aside, your post is extremely valid. Was the switch to 64-bit CPU's inevitable? Absolutely. Do we know if Samsung is announcing this because Apple did it? We will never know. I, for one, don't get paid enough to know what goes on in Samsung exec meetings.
Why can't we just be excited about the advancement of the masses? Even if a company wants to cash in on the successes of another, IT'S BUSINESS. Last I checked, neither Samsung or Apple were listed as not-for-profit.
I had a point to this response, but instead I just typed up my thoughts into the reply. I hope what I just said even made sense..
The RAM limit is more a kernel and a MMU (hardware) problem. AFAIK, 32-Bit darwin (OS X) had no problem with RAM > 4 GB. That's the reason why i think iOS (a version of OS X) has no practical RAM limit, if the hardware supports this too.
Interesting - admittedly, I don't know a lot about it. My experiences with 32-bit OSes on laptops always involved 3GB RAM or less....and it was something I read in an article about why Apple would move this way for the future.
Anyhow, it'll be interesting to see where this all goes. I have no doubt there'll be a great push to create more robust applications.
Don't know if I'm ready for my phone to be my computer yet though
No it won't be. The architecture of android means that the apps themselves are architecture independent. All that will need to be ported to 64bit is the dalvik virtual machine.
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Most likely yes, but theres honestly no reason to. Benchmarks and real world tests show that 64bit OS's provide no real performance gain over their 32bit counterparts unless you need over 4gb of ram in a single process.
you are absolutely right. no touch phones existed before iphone. apple invented phones, LTE, 64bit, cereals and unicorns. wait, maybe they existed but they were simply not magical.
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for the rest, 64bit with 1gb (tbd?) is simply marketing gimmick.
http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/1...-marketing-fluff-and-wont-improve-performance
its like being excited when speed limit is 120mph but your cars max speed is 60mph!
Well if he doesn't you'll certainly be here to reiterate that point several times over!
Oh sorry. I didn't see their word doubt. Thought you said it would be a headache.
Android isn't even a 64bit OS so this is about as useful as a chocolate fire guard. Unless they know something we don't. It's likely they're just not going to let Apple get away with a spec-war advantage though.
No it can't run 64 bit windows. Nothing to do with the CPU, just drivers aren't ready.
There will be performance gains if it is compatible. No need for process to be more than 4gb. Just about all applications will gain performance because of access to more registers.
Incorrect. Just look at geekbench, Handbrake, photoshop and countless other examples. And no they do not have to be over 4gb.
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Except it didn't work well. We will have to see if Apple's is better but from the demos so far, it seems to work well.
Still doesn't change history. Fact Motorola had a fingerprint sensor in the Atrix 4G. Two years before Apple. And they both did the same thing. Unlock your phone with your fingerprint.
Just because a company makes something popular and maybe work better doesn't change history.
Saying if Samsung were to include a fingerprint sensor is copying Apple is a complete lie. If anything they copied Motorola and other PDAs before that.
There's one on the LG eXpo as well, and this one is from way back in 2009. Made by AuthenTec, the very company Apple bought to sort out the FP reader on the 5S. LOL.
I'm actually waiting when Samsung will actually release a true successor to the Galaxy Camera. I think that device and the S4 Zoom are interesting only because you can see Android move beyond just smartphones and tablets. As good as cameras are on current flagship smartphones, it is still no match for dedicated cameras that have bigger optics, optical zoom, and Xenon flash. I'm going to Hawaii next year and dont see myself taking photos with my phone with crappy digital zoom . I wish Nikon and Canon can start using Android too so I can see my phones and camera communicate with each other.
And I feel Samsung needs to release a YOUM phone already. I say bring back more clamshells to remedy bulky phones. Imagine folding ypur tablet or phone like a book. Might be thicker but we have normal slates/slabs reaching at 6mm now. At least Samsung is moving into metal next year.
As for Apple, I wondered what happened to that television they were going to make? Ive already seen voice controlled and motion gestures from a Samsung Smart TV. So the next big thing from Apple that isnt another an updated phone or tablet is a smartwatch? Been around for ages from LG and Sony. Watches is just another added accessory. Give me Google Glass over it anyday.
None of them have excited me much this year. Might as well anticipate for the Sony PS4. At least a home console can give me 5-10 years of entertainment.
And I feel Samsung needs to release a YOUM phone already. I say bring back more clamshells to remedy bulky phones. Imagine folding ypur tablet or phone like a book. Might be thicker but we have normal slates/slabs reaching at 6mm now. At least Samsung is moving into metal next year.
As for Apple, I wondered what happened to that television they were going to make? Ive already seen voice controlled and motion gestures from a Samsung Smart TV. So the next big thing from Apple that isnt another an updated phone or tablet is a smartwatch? Been around for ages from LG and Sony. Watches is just another added accessory. Give me Google Glass over it anyday.
None of them have excited me much this year. Might as well anticipate for the Sony PS4. At least a home console can give me 5-10 years of entertainment.
You can also use it for iTunes and App store purchases. And yes, if Samsung indeed puts a FP scanner in their next smartphone it will actually be copying Apple. You know, you DO NOT copy a failed product such as Motorola Atrix or even worse that abomination from LG. You copy a successful product or a technology (which 5s will probably be).
The implementations are different.
As usual, Apple takes something that exists and improves it. They've implemented fingerprint scanning for purchases in place of putting in a password. Hopefully in future they'll let you login to apps and websites by scanning your print (by storing passwords that are accessed by scanning your print; not by sharing your print with websites/apps). Also, all you have to do is place your finger on the scanner and it opens up and unlocks on the 5s. With the Atrix you still had to hit the power button to turn the screen on and then scan.
I haven't read about whether TouchID works in the dark or not, but the Atrix scanner doesn't. Would be interested to know this, if anyone has read any information about it.