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Samsung says its next-gen smartphones will have 64-bit processors too
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Just saying I don't think you can say Apple is copying Motorola when the implementations are quite different. Not only is the actual method of scanning the print different (a swipe on the Atrix vs. simply holding your finger still on the 5S), but Apple has also implemented additional functionality beyond the lockscreen.
Wasn't the scanner on the Atrix an optical scanner (the traditional red laser line looking one) as well vs the capacitive scanner on the 5S?
The tech in Apple's is quiet a bit different. Some similar functions, but the implementation is lightyears different.
Seems to me that the difference is that if Apple do it first the competition are copying, if the competition does it first, Apple are making it better and not copying. 
Steve Jobs once said, "You've got to start with the customer experience and work back toward the technology - not the other way around."
The Atrix stuck the fingerprint scanner the only place it would fit, just for the sake of saying they had the technology first. Never mind whether it works well or not. Never mind if it's awkward to reach. Not to mention that the net was flooded with reports of it not working or failing after some time.
Apple just replaced the home button that the users use countless times a day already. The button that already wakes up the phone. Is there a more logical place to put it? I don't think so.
Not sure how either scanner works, but apparently the motorola scanner worked even if your fingers were wet - if that provides any clues
Yeah exactly. Iphone 5S with evolutionary panoramic and burst modes.. ooohh
If Apple add a new feature to an IPhone it's regarded as evolutionary, irrespective of the fact other phone manufacturers have been using it for 2 years plus.... and obviously when the roles are reversed it's Samsung or Sony 'copying' Apple.
And that too, goes both ways:
Fandroid would say:
If Samsung add a new feature to an Galaxy it's regarded as evolutionary, irrespective of the fact other phone manufacturers have been using it for 2 years plus.... and obviously when the roles are reversed it's Apple or Sony 'copying' Samsung.
These arguments are pointless.
Seems to me that the difference is that if Apple do it first the competition are copying, if the competition does it first, Apple are making it better and not copying.
The implementations are very different. I'm not sure how anyone could say they've copied Motorola.
Atrix: -
Location: on the back at the top of the phone.
Method: swipe your finger.
Uses: unlocking only.
iPhone: -
Location: home button.
Method: hold your finger still on it.
Uses: unlocking and purchases.
The implementations are very different. I'm not sure how anyone could say they've copied Motorola.
Atrix: -
Apple
Location: on the back at the top of the phone.
Method: swipe your finger.
Uses: unlocking only.
iPhone: -
Location: home button.
Method: hold your finger still on it.
Uses: unlocking and purchases.
Really? This is your explanation of Apple not copying from the Atrix? Basically people are saying Apple copied the idea of a fingerprint scanner period. Who cares where they put it on the phone. HTC has it on the back, but you can be sure that won't stop the Apple loyalist from saying HTC copied. In the end, I really don't care. But it's discussions like this that make Apple loyalist (not saying you're one) look real nutty. This idea that Apple invented everything is really nutty. Or the thinking that Apple puts existing features on their iPhone, features that others have had for years, is Apple just "perfecting" said features, and not copying.
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I know Motorola were the first to bring it to a phone, but fingerprint scanners themselves have existed for a very long time.
Going by the same logic, if Apple have copied Motorola because they were the first to implement a fingerprint scanner in a phone, then everyone that releases a 64bit mobile processor from here on out must be copying Apple.
I don't think you can take something that's already well established, put it in a new device and then claim that everyone who does the same thereafter is a copycat
I don't think you can take something that's already well established, put it in a new device and then claim that everyone who does the same thereafter is a copycat
This I agree with. But this is the nuttiness I speak of. Honestly, not all fanboys are created equal. Just one read at Apple Insider or some of the comments here, really are shocking. These people truly speak with cult mentality.
I know the type you speak of.
I'm not one to think that Apple invents everything and everyone else copies. One thing I do think everyone copied Apple for, though, is multi touch. Just about every smartphone on the planet uses gestures Apple used in the first iPhone.
(and yes, I'm aware that Apple acquired a lot of its' multi-touch technology when it acquired FingerWorks)
The implementations are very different. I'm not sure how anyone could say they've copied Motorola.
Atrix: -
Location: on the back at the top of the phone.
Method: swipe your finger.
Uses: unlocking only.
iPhone: -
Location: home button.
Method: hold your finger still on it.
Uses: unlocking and purchases.
If the Atrix came after the iPhone are you seriously telling me that the Apple loyalists on this forum would not all be wringing their hands, pulling their hair out and shouting "copying"? Think about it, happens all the time here. You could set your watch by it.
Probably. It makes no more sense to suggest Apple are copying than it would for 'Apple loyalists' to suggest Motorola are copying if the roles were reversed though.
This whole idea of "Company X copied company Y" is ludicrous.....
Apple DID NOT "copy" anyone. Their implementation of the Touch ID is lightyears different than the Atrix.
SAME AS....
Samsung isn't COPYING Apple by putting a 64-bit chip in their next smartphones. It's idiotic to claim "copycat" when....
(1) Company A takes an idea that failed miserably, implements it differently using different technology and makes it successful.
(2) Company B follows a natural progression in technology advancement even though Company A did it first.
This isn't COPYING.
Grow up.
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Of course, some would. And they'd be stupid and wrong.
Doesn't mean we need to bring this up and perpetuate these ridiculous generalizations......
Saying "Well if roles were reversed, Apple fans would be saying the same thing" doesn't make the claim Apple is copying Moto any more true.....
Everyone just ends up looking like a fool.
Apple DID NOT "copy" anyone. Their implementation of the Touch ID is lightyears different than the Atrix.
SAME AS....
Samsung isn't COPYING Apple by putting a 64-bit chip in their next smartphones. It's idiotic to claim "copycat" when....
(1) Company A takes an idea that failed miserably, implements it differently using different technology and makes it successful.
(2) Company B follows a natural progression in technology advancement even though Company A did it first.
This isn't COPYING.
Grow up.
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Of course, some would. And they'd be stupid and wrong.
Doesn't mean we need to bring this up and perpetuate these ridiculous generalizations......
Saying "Well if roles were reversed, Apple fans would be saying the same thing" doesn't make the claim Apple is copying Moto any more true.....
Everyone just ends up looking like a fool.
I know Motorola were the first to bring it to a phone, but fingerprint scanners themselves have existed for a very long time.
Going by the same logic, if Apple have copied Motorola because they were the first to implement a fingerprint scanner in a phone, then everyone that releases a 64bit mobile processor from here on out must be copying Apple.
I don't think you can take something that's already well established, put it in a new device and then claim that everyone who does the same thereafter is a copycat
No apple uses arm cortex arch and licenses its tech and Samsung just by chance or by default is using there last 32 bit arch,the a15 big little setup that is using arms last gen before going to 64 bit.
There is nothing Samsung can do after there a15 big little soc,arms next gen cores are all 64 bit and based on the a50 series v8 arch.
Apple was the first to use arms newest instruction set but there is no where to go with arm staying 32 bit.every chip from here on out will be 64 bit after a15.
TBH, I couldn't give a damn if anyone copies anyone just so long as my phone is the best that can be, if it uses copied technology, so be it, I'm not bothered.
We are getting to a plateau where the natural progression of technology will dictate that company "A" will release something first because company "B" keynote or whatever it is called comes after company "A" and the cycle will continue on company B's next announcement. Should keep the "copy brigade" busy though.
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Good for you! It's really refreshing when someone can source a high quality article which is devoid of any Apple bias - I knew this as soon as I read the title:
"Pathetic: HTC Scrambles to Show Upcoming Gold Phone Option".
Here's some more neutrally titled articles:
"Samsung and LG on the Run to Integrate Inferior Fingerprint Technology into their Somewhat Smartphones"
http://www.patentlyapple.com/patent...chnology-into-their-somewhat-smartphones.html
"Apple to Inflict Billions of Dollars' Worth of Pain on Samsung"
http://www.patentlyapple.com/patent...ions-of-dollars-worth-of-pain-on-samsung.html