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Lots of speculation in the wider community about micro-LED being the second coming of Christ Jesus, but really we don’t even know if it will deliver what it promises. I very much doubt that it too will not have its own compromises. The perfect display doesn’t exist. Maybe MLED will be it, maybe it won’t, but I’m not holding my breath. The only certainty is that Apple will be at least a decade behind the curve no matter what happens 🤦‍♂️
It almost makes me wonder if it could go the way of SED.

SED was actually significantly better than LCD, but LCD was much, much easier and cheaper to manufacture.
 
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It almost makes me wonder if it could go the way of SED.

SED was actually significantly better than LCD, but LCD was much, much easier and cheaper to manufacture.

Yeah The Perfect Display has been perpetually 5-10 years away for at least forty years. Each new utopia either never arrives or disappoints in some way or the other when it does. Fingers crossed for MLED but as of right now it’s a unicorn 👍
 
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Lots of speculation in the wider community about micro-LED being the second coming of Christ Jesus, but really we don’t even know if it will deliver what it promises. I very much doubt that it too will not have its own compromises. The perfect display doesn’t exist. Maybe MLED will be it, maybe it won’t, but I’m not holding my breath. The only certainty is that Apple will be at least a decade behind the curve no matter what happens 🤦‍♂️
You're talking as if microLED only exists in patent documents. There are commercial grade TVs with this technology whose image quality blows anything else out of the water. Go on the internet and have a gander.
 
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You're talking as if it only exists in patent documents. There are commercial grade TVs with this technology whose image quality blows anything else out of the water. Go on the internet and have a gander.

That’s as maybe, but it’s taking so long to reach mass market that one wonders if it will ever be commercially viable at scale.

ETA: my wider point is that we don’t know if it will deliver the longevity that OLED doesn’t. Just because they say it will doesn’t make it so 👍
 
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That’s as maybe, but it’s taking so long to reach mass market that one wonders if it will ever be commercially viable at scale.
Yes, with that clarification, I fully agree with you. It's out of the lab but the manufacturing challenges might be just as hard, if not even harder.
 
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MicroLED is far far far from ready. I don't think it would be commercial enough for computer displays even in 2030s.

My thought is that MicroLED and OLED are each improving in their respective weaknesses, however OLED is reaching the point of acceptable longevity before MicroLED is reaching the point of acceptable cost. Hence the rumors of switching.
 
Yes, with that clarification, I fully agree with you. It's out of the lab but the manufacturing challenges might be just as hard, if not even harder.

I guess to some extent it’s a matter of perspective also. Personally I’ll call MLED a commercial prospect when I see a min. 65” alongside OLED in a store at less than double the price. Until then it’s a unicorn in my eyes.

In any case, by that time, Apple will probably be considering the switch to plasma displays lol.
 
You're talking as if microLED only exists in patent documents. There are commercial grade TVs with this technology whose image quality blows anything else out of the water. Go on the internet and have a gander.
SED was displayed several times at trade shows. And according to reviewers, it looked glorious, and furthermore it had zero input lag. However, it never made it to the mainstream.
 
OLEDs are certainly not brighter than LED LCD, and can consume more power than an LCD screen, it all depends what is being displayed on the screen, a bright OLED image will use more power than an equivalent LCD, however a dark OLED image will use less.

Of course the holy grail of display technology is either micro-LED or even better QDEL (self emissive Quantum Dots) which is being pioneered by Sharp Displays amongst others.

Apple isn't using current generation OLED, Apple will be using a not-yet-seen new generation of OLED that is twice as bright at least, and also more resilient to burn-in. Regarding power consumption: the blue diode is 3x more power inefficient than the red and green diodes—which I believes means it requires 3x more voltage and therefore the likeliest culprit to burn-in—but apparently a new blue diode will soon be used that brings it in line with the same efficiency as red and green diodes. That is expected to make OLED much more power efficient, brighter, and more resilient to burn-in. The new blue diode patent is being licensed this year to OLED manufacturers. So when Apple goes OLED, these objections of yours won't be as relevant. As you can see, Apple is very conservative and careful about OLED adoption.
 
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2027 is ridiculous...
I really fail to understand why this is taking apple so long.
At the very least I'd expect the panels to have eliminated the burn-in issue by then...
Otherwise having waited that long would have made no sense.
 
OLED is NOT the best technology.

Instead, they have a lot of issues especially for professional uses such as peak brightness, burn-in, price, power consumption, and more. Beside, 11~32 inch OLED monitors are not even proven well due to its size and pixel density which is way more difficult to manufacture compared to smartphone and TV.
 
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(checks his calendar and sees it's 2024)


THREE MORE YEARS?

Good lord
OLED is not some "new thing" -- it should be all over their products -- right...now..

Apple has become a slow bloated pig farm that pumps out overpriced old bacon once everyone has already starved
 
You're not really getting your moneys worth with Apple... and there's no arguing that either.
I could absolutely argue that.

The reason I choose Apple is the build quality, the ecosystem, and the reliability. It’s the perfect example of ‘the whole is greater than the sum of its parts’.

I could absolutely get the same specs - or likely better - for the same price. BUT it’s not going to be the same user experience overall… and there’s no arguing that either. 😋

Apple users prove this time and time again - with their purchases. Specs aren’t the main priority for everyone. It’s the overall experience that’s important to me, for example.
 
That’s because Apple wants none of the current OLED panels currently on the market. Apple is one very picky company. It’s not fond of rules. It likes to be different.

Sure thing. Maybe. Although every Apple device I ever owned has had a display issue. A complete failure in one instance. iPads with clouds above the home button. Macs with image retention and dead pixels. iPads with failed touch layer. It’s not like they have the perfect track record prior to OLED.
 
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I could absolutely get the same specs - or likely better - for the same price. BUT it’s not going to be the same user experience overall… and there’s no arguing that either.

There's no arguing your subjective opinion?
That is, by definition, incorrect
 
People here are only talking about brightness but the gamechanging upgrade OLED provides is instant response times.

My Galaxy Tab S8 Ultra with an OLED rendered my iPad Pro MiniLED display almost unusable when I got used to the fast response times. Try reading text when scrolling slowly. On an OLED, there is no eye strain. On the LCD, you can clearly see a ghosting trail.
 
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That’s because Apple wants none of the current OLED panels currently on the market. Apple is one very picky company. It’s not fond of rules. It likes to be different.
Really? Because the iPad Pro MiniLED response times are amongst the worst in the industry. Also the FALD algorithm is not tuned properly. It priorities brightness over haloing and in the dark it looks obnoxiously bad.
 
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Really? Because the iPad Pro MiniLED response times are amongst the worst in the industry. Also the FALD algorithm is not tuned properly. It priorities brightness over haloing and in the dark it looks obnoxiously bad.

Agree in principle but on the whole I still prefer the sometimes superbad milky clouds sloshing about much preferable to the permanent silver rectangle of vanilla LED backlighting. I regard it as a halfway house solution, but full-fat OLED runs rings around it for sure 👍
 
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