2027!!! That’s ridiculous, they aren’t waiting for ‘technology to mature’ considering iPhones have had OLED’s for SIX generations now, and the Apple Watch has had OLED since day one, iPad only rumours to be getting it now, but Macs not for another 3 years? It’ll be old tech by the time they get OLED screens. Apple should have adopted OLED across its entire range years ago.
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Samsung to Join OLED MacBook Push in 2027
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No, because the iPhone has had OLED for six generations and the Apple Watch since day one, yet you don’t see endless reports of burn in on those devices. It’s crazy that Apple is trying to reinvent the wheel here as seemingly an excuse to put OLED in its bigger devices, finally!
Phones are used very differently from computer monitors. It's no surprise the desirable OLED features for the two classes of screens would be different too.
Guess one of the massive advantages Samsung has over tech rivals is the fact that they supply a lot of components for them. So they effectively know a lot of product maps/strategy and can then formulate their own accordingly.
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Although I have no problem with pulse-width modulation (PWM), there are many people who do, and thus cannot use displays using it. I hope Apple and Samsung take that seriously, and take into consideration people who are sensitive to PWM when developing future displays. I'm not optimistic though, especially considering that Tim Cook's biggest concern by far is maximizing profits instead of caring about consumers.
They've shown no indication of caring whatsoever, so I wouldn't expect them to suddenly start
I‘m always in awe of how the worlds richest tech company is often decades behind the competition when it comes to new innovations. I am not buying the „Apple will have perfected OLED by 2027“ mantra. Yeah sure, OLED will finally be worthy enough of implementing it in their laptops. 🤡 Some of the OLED displays you can get now are fantastic! Hurry up Tim, or make it an option, along with non-glare, you know, how it used to be in the good old days 😂
And yet TV OLED’s have also existed for years now, so your argument does not hold weight, even monitors have been available with OLED for a while now. Sorry fact is when it comes to OLED screens, and in regards to iPads let’s not forget Samsung has been using OLED on its tablets for ages now, Apple is way way way behind. And now as I said it wants to reinvent the wheel instead, with rumours if 1500 starting price for OLED iPads!
Gorgeous Samsung OLED displays are relatively inexpensive BTO and stocked options on the PC side, so I am not sure why Apple is waiting so long to use them.
There is no need to tie OLED to just the MacBook Pro line either, but we all know they will. And in 3 years, OLED isn't going to be as big of a deal if they plan on using these panels as premium model differentiators since they are pretty common now in laptops more than half the price.
OLED panels are not as expensive as they use to be, and the technology behind them is better than ever. I have one in a ThinkPad and it blows my MacBook Pro's miniLED display away.
Maybe it's the current brightness ceiling (in current panel options that wouldn't cut into their margins) that's holding Apple back since miniLED tends to have higher nits and refresh rates (I know, anecdotal observations on my part, perhaps).
There is no need to tie OLED to just the MacBook Pro line either, but we all know they will. And in 3 years, OLED isn't going to be as big of a deal if they plan on using these panels as premium model differentiators since they are pretty common now in laptops more than half the price.
OLED panels are not as expensive as they use to be, and the technology behind them is better than ever. I have one in a ThinkPad and it blows my MacBook Pro's miniLED display away.
Maybe it's the current brightness ceiling (in current panel options that wouldn't cut into their margins) that's holding Apple back since miniLED tends to have higher nits and refresh rates (I know, anecdotal observations on my part, perhaps).
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People forget it's not just about the tech existing. It's about the tech existing with high volume manufacturing in place at realistic prices.
And the rumour of OLED iPads starting at $1500 is utter bullcrap.
I own an OLED TV. OLED TVs degrade far faster than what would be desirable for a MacBook Pro, and up until recently the brightness was insufficient for MacBook Pros.
And the rumour of OLED iPads starting at $1500 is utter bullcrap.
In my experience, OLED does a terrible job of displaying the color white. It always looks greenish or blueish. Somehow Apple figured out how to make OLED iPhone properly display white. I wonder how they did it?
OLED iPads already been on rumors for what? Decade?
This will not happened on devices that have static UI and long running time than a Phone.
Unless there is some kind of burn-in replacement policies, it aint going to happen, just like Desktop monitors, which have a much longer lifespan than any other devices.
MicroLED on the other hand, it could be possible if they figured it out, but OLED is definitely out of the equations.
Current MiniLED outperform OLED by a huge margin in both brightness and longevity.
This will not happened on devices that have static UI and long running time than a Phone.
Unless there is some kind of burn-in replacement policies, it aint going to happen, just like Desktop monitors, which have a much longer lifespan than any other devices.
MicroLED on the other hand, it could be possible if they figured it out, but OLED is definitely out of the equations.
Current MiniLED outperform OLED by a huge margin in both brightness and longevity.
OLED does just fine... if the screen tech is up to snuff and the screen is calibrated correctly. In fact, up until a couple of years ago, Sony's flagship professional video production monitor which went for US$30000 was an OLED.
However, a lot of third party OLED monitors out there are not great unfortunately, and most are poorly colour calibrated.
The chance of OLED coming to iPad Pros is very, very high in 2024-2025. Longer for MacBook Pros. Serious rumours of OLED iPads really only occurred since 2022-2023. Before that it was just wishful thinking.
In contrast, the chance for microLED coming to iPad Pros or MacBook Pros in the next couple of years is pretty much nil. MicroLED technology for iPads and laptops is simply way, way too immature, with the only stuff out there being early prototypes that are totally unsuitable for mainstream usage. To put it bluntly, microLED for tablets and laptops right now is still vapourware.
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I also own an OLED TV, since 2019, it hasn’t degraded at all, you should buy a better quality OLED TV. And the people claiming the price increase are ones who have predicted a lot more than you I should imagine. Apple is incredibly late with OLED screens end off.
I suspect your TV is most likely an LG panel, regardless of what brand of TV it is. Mine is an LG too. Anyhow, you don't seem to understand what I'm talking about but that's fine. You might want to read up on the subject, including the concept of ABL. To put it simply, if you put the tech of a 2019 LG TV panel in an Apple laptop, it would be a functionality and reliability disaster.
As for the prediction of OLED iPad pricing starting at US$1500, if you actually believe that, I really don't know what to say.
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As someone who's sensible to pulse-width modulation, I'm afraid of the future, tbh. I had to opt for a 3rd gen. iPhone SE instead of the 13 mini and 15 I actually tested, as their screens gave me nausea. My current plan is to "hold out" on the SE until, hopefully, Apple introduces a screen technology that comes without it. But as @ThomasJL put it, TC is too much into profits. With the MacBooks and iPads slated for transitioning in the near future, I have a feeling I might be without a usable device in 7-8 years...
Pretty sure Apple were just waiting for QD-LED, which has just been released on various 32" 4k monitors. It basically doubles the brightness, so should do the trick. There wasn't really a price jump on their release, so that shouldn't be a problem either
I wouldn't be surprised to see more 'anti burn-in' features added to MacOs. Similar the background rotation and animated desktop backgrounds. Maybe some tweaks for the top / bottom bars?
Firstly I'll take what recognised industry analysts say over a random person in the internet such as yourself.
And secondly I don't know what panel I have only it hasn't 'degraded' at all, I understand what you are saying, I also know panels are only half the story and the structure of the TV, if it has a heating, and the processing has a huge impact on picture quality.
And then we have laptops and monitors that have OLED panels and have done for sometime now, which you have totally dismiss in your argument.
You claim to have knowledge of all this, yet do to confirm that Apple is reinventing the wheel by requesting nee tech he used for the OLEDs it wants this massively increasing the costs of it, this increasing costs of the devices that use it.
Apple are years behind the competition for no reason. No argument can be made for that. As stated Samsung has been using OLED in its tablets for years, since 2014
In fact. And 8 years later Apple might do the same.
They were on it with the Apple Watch, on it with them iPhone, well it's had OLED for 6 years or more now, but with laptops and tablets, the are very far behind.
Even if you are foolish enough to believe those random sketchy analyst rumours, you’re falling behind in the sketchy rumour mill. People not surprisingly felt that $1500 starting price rumour was way too far off the mark, and then right on cue, shortly afterwards there was a followup article here at MacRumors stating that others in the industry are claiming a $160 price premium. That works out to <$1000 for the 11” and <$1300 for the 13”.
It’s pretty much common knowledge what panels are in 2019 OLED TVs. Here’s a hint: It’s not what Apple wants for its products.
You should look into the technology that existing laptops and tablets have, compared to what is expected for Apple products. They are not the same. BTW, it’s already been commented upon by others in various MacRumors threads, including this very thread here.
The upgrades people are talking about are not exactly top secret; they are known technologies. Yes, they are more expensive than previous OLEDs, but just about nobody (except a few sketchy “analysts” trying to generate buzz for themselves) is claiming these upgraded OLED panels will cause a price increase to a base iPad Pro price of US$1500.
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Believe what you like, I know the facts and Samsung has happily been using OLED in tablets for 8 years, and laptops and monitors have been using OLED for quite sometime too. When those iPad prices sky rocket I'll know who's right. And I doubt Apples interpretation will offer anything revolutionary.
Why many people don't seem to worry about burn-in even it can happen? I am happy with the image quality of the latest M3-series MacBook Pro 16" screen. The M2 MacBook Air 15" screen is also quite good.
Modern OLED is pretty resilient against burn these days. There’s also software mitigations like pixel shifting and pixel refreshing. The latter helps prevent uneven wear which traditionally has caused blotchy grayscale and vertical banding.
That’s not to say it’s immune from problems, but honestly I think to get a modern OLED to exhibit visible issues inside the typical service life you’d have to do be doing the burn-in equivalent of drop testing iPhones to see if they break.