Samsung's smartphone shipments to see first-ever annual decline

[Truefan31]

What I mean is that the Android OEMs e.g. Samsung, LG, Sony, HTC, and Huawei must charge a tad more for their mid ends, as they match both 6S and 6S Plus spec for spec, produce them in great numbers e.g. Samsung with their Galaxy A series, the Galaxy A5 and A7 are great 6S and 6S Plus alternatives and then produce their flagships in much lower numbers and fewer models e.g. Samsung must do 1 Galaxy S and 1 Galaxy Note a year, Sony must do 1 Z and Z Ultra, LG 1 G and 1 G Pro a year, in smaller numbers/limit availability e.g. make them in smaller quantities and shorter production run, put more focus on software updates and price them a tad higher.

That wouldn't work. If people aren't buying their flagships at the price now they're not gonna buy mid tier devices with raised prices. Or even higher priced flagships. Streamlining products would help within the android market to prevent so many options that run android. That's the thing, stop going after iPhone for now it won't work at this time.

And updates and software will typically be a negative when it comes to android oems. One thing Apple does better than the rest is marry hardware and software. And again I can't stress enough that support and customer service play a huge part in why Apple is so successful. You just don't get that on other oems right now. And it shows in how successful Apple has been.

 

[FFR]

You have been proven wrong in this thread so many times. It is comical now.
You're so busy hating on Samsung and everything that is not Apple.

Did you even read the original post and follow the link?



Here let me get that for you. The chart from the very first post. Is that current enough for you?

For you information....those are sales....they are shipped therefore sales.
If you have information to prove otherwise then please by all means share the links for us.



Yes that is the topic. Samsung sells more phones than Apple does but Apple has all the profits. This has been stated so many times in this thread I don't know why you are arguing what EVERYONE here agrees on.

BlueGoldAce summed it up pretty well on this post as well
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...r-annual-decline.1929340/page-4#post-22146876

Just because you say I have been proven wrong doesn't actually make me wrong jam.

Apple will be reporting their October-December quarter in January and Samsung should as well. Let the balance sheets decide who is wrong.

Until then here are some updates figures from kantar for the month ending in August two weeks before the massive iPhone 6s/6s plus launch.

"The latest data published by Kantar on Monday shows that Apple's iOS posted smartphone market share gains in China, Great Britain, Germany, France, Australia, and Japan for the three-month period ending in August. In all six major markets, Apple's share of the smartphone space grew from the same three-month span of 2014, while Google's Android lost share.

Apple's greatest gains, percentage-wise, came in Australia, where iOS share was up 8.5 percent year over year, and Android tumbled 11.2 percent. As of August, iOS was estimated to account for 37.8 percent of the Australian smartphone market's handset sales for the preceding three months."

These figures look very different then the ones you have been posting from last year.

International growth fueled Apple smartphone share gains before iPhone 6s launch

http://iphone.appleinsider.com/arti...martphone-share-gains-before-iphone-6s-launch

Pictures for the reading impaired.

Guess apple improved their 13%, huh.

For you information....those are sales....they are shipped therefore sales.
If you have information to prove otherwise then please by all means share the links for us.

Sell in is very different then sell through, and carriers do return unsold inventory back to the manufacturer.

Again this is a common industry practice. Sorry your ill informed or uneducated on the subject.

 

[FFR]

You were wrong in overall shipments, but not on the profit or hi end segment.

The Galaxy s6 long broke 5 million. Haven't looked it up but I wouldn't be surprised to see them between 15-20 mil.

Anyway, like i said, you were right on profit.

Could be wrong, apple is releasing their sales for last quarter today let see how they do.

If you have any information on the s6 sales breaking the 5 million or 15-20 million,
Would be appreciated.

 

[Klyster]

Just because you say I have been proven wrong doesn't actually make me wrong jam.

Apple will be reporting their October-December quarter in January and Samsung should as well. Let the balance sheets decide who is wrong.

Until then here are some updates figures from kantar for the month ending in August two weeks before the massive iPhone 6s/6s plus launch.

"The latest data published by Kantar on Monday shows that Apple's iOS posted smartphone market share gains in China, Great Britain, Germany, France, Australia, and Japan for the three-month period ending in August. In all six major markets, Apple's share of the smartphone space grew from the same three-month span of 2014, while Google's Android lost share.

Apple's greatest gains, percentage-wise, came in Australia, where iOS share was up 8.5 percent year over year, and Android tumbled 11.2 percent. As of August, iOS was estimated to account for 37.8 percent of the Australian smartphone market's handset sales for the preceding three months."

These figures look very different then the ones you have been posting from last year.

International growth fueled Apple smartphone share gains before iPhone 6s launch

http://iphone.appleinsider.com/arti...martphone-share-gains-before-iphone-6s-launch

Pictures for the reading impaired.

Guess apple improved their 13%, huh.




Sell in is very different then sell through, and carriers do return unsold inventory back to the manufacturer.

Again this is a common industry practice. Sorry your ill informed or uneducated on the subject.

That's android in its entirety, where's the Samsung breakdown in those figures?

Or do we just bunch them all together when it suits us?

 

[lowendlinux]

That's android in its entirety, where's the Samsung breakdown in those figures?

Or do we just bunch them all together when it suits us?

What was he trying to prove other than to show Apples gains?

 

[FFR]

That's android in its entirety, where's the Samsung breakdown in those figures?

Or do we just bunch them all together when it suits us?

You didn't even click the kantar link did you?
Smh

"Across Europe's ‘big five,’ Android continues to struggle, with only the heavily prepaid markets of Italy and Spain registering a year-over-year share growth,” said Dominic Sunnebo, business unit director at Kantar Worldpanel ComTech Europe. “In Great Britain, Samsung, the undisputed Android leader, dropped market share both period-over-period and year-over-year, while Sony and LG were the only two Android vendors able to grow share over the last year and over the three months ending in July 2015.”

Europe's “big five” markets are Great Britain, Germany, France, Italy, and Spain.

“In the U.S., Samsung’s Galaxy S6 grew its share of smartphone sales but did not threaten the iPhone 6 leadership position,” Milanesi added. “In April through August 2015 – the months following the launch of the new flagships – only 29% of the Samsung smartphone installed base were upgraded to new devices. Among those who upgraded, 23% changed to a Galaxy S5, 4% to a Galaxy S6, and 1% to a Galaxy S6 Edge.”

*grew s6 sales: doesn't meant grew Samsung phone sales, it means reducing unsold discounted s6 inventory already in the sales channel.

Just to reiterate. Only 1/3 of Samsung's customers in the US upgraded their devices from April to August, of those only 4% upgraded to the s6.

Again this is before the iPhone 6s/plus launch.

Anyway, We are waiting for Samsung to release their figures, will be some time in January.
But according to analysts expect asps to
Drop considerably.

I believe between the iPhone 6s/6s plus, nexus 6p, and the htc a9, Samsung is going to have a disastrous quarter in the US and by extension Europe.

Subsequently apple is opening two apple stores in the Middle East as well, first time ever, that is going to erode Samsung's Middle East market share for the quarter as well.

 

[FFR]

What was he trying to prove other than to show Apples gains?

Actually apples gain is an opportunity cost to Samsung. I.e. Joe six pack buys an iPhone instead of a galaxy, htc, etc.

If you have information to prove otherwise
Yes that is the topic. Samsung sells more phones than Apple does but Apple has all the profits. This has been stated so many times in this thread I don't know why you are arguing what EVERYONE here agrees on.

Maybe in Africa, but not in the US, Europe, Great Britain, Japan, China, and Australia.

And again that was ending in August before the world went iPhone 6s crazy... Even South Korea.

 

[jamezr]

Just because you say I have been proven wrong doesn't actually make me wrong jam.

Apple will be reporting their October-December quarter in January and Samsung should as well. Let the balance sheets decide who is wrong.

Until then here are some updates figures from kantar for the month ending in August two weeks before the massive iPhone 6s/6s plus launch.

"The latest data published by Kantar on Monday shows that Apple's iOS posted smartphone market share gains in China, Great Britain, Germany, France, Australia, and Japan for the three-month period ending in August. In all six major markets, Apple's share of the smartphone space grew from the same three-month span of 2014, while Google's Android lost share.

Apple's greatest gains, percentage-wise, came in Australia, where iOS share was up 8.5 percent year over year, and Android tumbled 11.2 percent. As of August, iOS was estimated to account for 37.8 percent of the Australian smartphone market's handset sales for the preceding three months."

These figures look very different then the ones you have been posting from last year.

International growth fueled Apple smartphone share gains before iPhone 6s launch

http://iphone.appleinsider.com/arti...martphone-share-gains-before-iphone-6s-launch

Pictures for the reading impaired.

Guess apple improved their 13%, huh.




Sell in is very different then sell through, and carriers do return unsold inventory back to the manufacturer.

Again this is a common industry practice. Sorry your ill informed or uneducated on the subject.

So let's get some facts straight that no one here is disputing.....

1) The iPhone is the single best selling phone in the market bar none.
2) Apple is probably the most profitable company in the world with more cash on hand than some countries.
3) Samsung's market share has slipped the last couple of years
4) Android is the sales king in the smartphone space
5) Samsung sells more phones than Apple does worldwide.


Worldwide Android owns the vast majority of the market share in the mobile phone space

Samsung despite a losing market share the last couple of years still sells more phones worldwide than Apple

http://www.idc.com/prodserv/smartphone-os-market-share.jsp

 

[jamezr]

Actually apples gain is an opportunity cost to Samsung. I.e. Joe six pack buys an iPhone instead of a galaxy, htc, etc.



Maybe in Africa, but not in the US, Europe, Great Britain, Japan, China, and Australia.

And again that was ending in August before the world went iPhone 6s crazy... Even South Korea.

Sorry but that picture does nothing to backup what you are saying. It just shows people in line for something.

 

[FFR]

Sorry but that picture does nothing to backup what you are saying. It just shows people in line for something.

Yes inline for this iPhone 6s/plus launch in Korea:

Huge Crowds of Enthusiastic Apple Fans Lined Up Earlier today to get their hands on the new iPhone 6s in Korea

http://www.patentlyapple.com/patent...heir-hands-on-the-new-iphone-6s-in-korea.html

"iPhone 6s & 6s Plus preorders sell out within 30 minutes in Samsung's home of South Korea"

The first batch of South Korean preorders for the iPhone 6s and 6s Plus sold out within minutes on Monday at the country's three major cellphone carriers, setting a blockbuster pace ahead of Friday's official launch.

One of the companies, KT, topped 10,000 orders within one minute and closed applications less than 10 minutes later after 50,000 preorder units were claimed, Yonhap reported. Similarly, LG Uplus halted preorders within five minutes.

SK Telecom took slightly longer to end preorders, shuttering them after 30 minutes. The company declined to say how many units it recorded, but market watchers quoted by Yonhap estimate the figure at 50,000.

KT opened up a second round of reservations later in the day, but didn't comment on performance.

http://iphone.appleinsider.com/arti...in-30-minutes-in-samsungs-home-of-south-korea

The source, Korean news agency, yonhap:

iPhone 6s preorders heat up S. Korean market

"Apple Inc.'s two new smartphones stirred a fresh craze among South Korean consumers on Monday as preorders sold out in the first few minutes of opening on the back of strong demand from Apple loyalists.

And as I stated above, opportunity costs:

"Ahead of the release, Samsung Electronics Co. and LG Electronics Inc. both cut down the prices of their latest flagship smartphones, a move seen to keep their edge against the new iPhones.


The price of Samsung's Galaxy S6 was slashed to 799,700 won (US$706) from the previous 924,000 won. That of LG's new V10 came in at 799,700 won from the start of the launch.

It is rare for a South Korean tech giant to release a flagship model with an initial local price of below 800,000 won. "

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/search1/2603000000.html?cid=AEN20151019004300320

 

[Klyster]

You didn't even click the kantar link did you?
Smh

"Across Europe's ‘big five,’ Android continues to struggle, with only the heavily prepaid markets of Italy and Spain registering a year-over-year share growth,” said Dominic Sunnebo, business unit director at Kantar Worldpanel ComTech Europe. “In Great Britain, Samsung, the undisputed Android leader, dropped market share both period-over-period and year-over-year, while Sony and LG were the only two Android vendors able to grow share over the last year and over the three months ending in July 2015.”

Europe's “big five” markets are Great Britain, Germany, France, Italy, and Spain.

“In the U.S., Samsung’s Galaxy S6 grew its share of smartphone sales but did not threaten the iPhone 6 leadership position,” Milanesi added. “In April through August 2015 – the months following the launch of the new flagships – only 29% of the Samsung smartphone installed base were upgraded to new devices. Among those who upgraded, 23% changed to a Galaxy S5, 4% to a Galaxy S6, and 1% to a Galaxy S6 Edge.”

*grew s6 sales: doesn't meant grew Samsung phone sales, it means reducing unsold discounted s6 inventory already in the sales channel.

Just to reiterate. Only 1/3 of Samsung's customers in the US upgraded their devices from April to August, of those only 4% upgraded to the s6.

Again this is before the iPhone 6s/plus launch.

Anyway, We are waiting for Samsung to release their figures, will be some time in January.
But according to analysts expect asps to
Drop considerably.

I believe between the iPhone 6s/6s plus, nexus 6p, and the htc a9, Samsung is going to have a disastrous quarter in the US and by extension Europe.

Subsequently apple is opening two apple stores in the Middle East as well, first time ever, that is going to erode Samsung's Middle East market share for the quarter as well.

Kantar or Apple insider link?

Doesn't change the fact that Apple's worldwide marketshare dropped this year. Eroded by Chinese OEMs, acording to the original articles graph.
What you believe and what is real are two entirely different things.

Samsung numbers are yet to be released, who knows what gains or losses they've made, the next week or so will paint a better picture, in the meantime, put your hardon back in your pants and control yourself. You don't have to wait long....

 

[FFR]

So let's get some facts straight that no one here is disputing.....

1) The iPhone is the single best selling phone in the market bar none.
2) Apple is probably the most profitable company in the world with more cash on hand than some countries.
3) Samsung's market share has slipped the last couple of years
4) Android is the sales king in the smartphone space
5) Samsung sells more phones than Apple does worldwide.


Worldwide Android owns the vast majority of the market share in the mobile phone space

Samsung despite a losing market share the last couple of years still sells more phones worldwide than Apple

http://www.idc.com/prodserv/smartphone-os-market-share.jsp

Globally, technically.

But not for phones costing $500 and up or in key markets such as listed below, in those markets apples market share is larger than Samsung.

I don't think it's fair to count Africa or
India where Samsung floods the market with cheap $50-$200 phones, apple doesn't compete in that price bracket, and thus heavily skewing statistics.

Maybe in Africa, but not in the US, Europe, Great Britain, Japan, China, and Australia.

Are you saying Samsung will gain marketshare and reverse the current decline?
Because that's what the topic is about not a list of things you will agree on.

 

[jamezr]

Globally, technically.

But not for phones costing $500 and up or in key markets such as listed below, in those markets apples market share is larger than Samsung.

I don't think it's fair to count Africa or
India where Samsung floods the market with cheap $50-$200 phones, apple doesn't compete in that price bracket, and thus heavily skewing statistics.

Are you saying Samsung will gain marketshare and reverse the current decline?
Because that's what the topic is about not a list of things you will agree on.

The facts are the facts.........they report sales. Not sales that will make Apple look better in your eyes.

Whether you think it is fair or not to count certain countries sales figures make no difference to sales reporting

I don't see Samsung reversing the sales trend. The Android mobile space is getting very crowded with more companies selling great products.
They could reverse the trend with something like a foldable screen tablet or phablet but that remains to be seen and a big if.....

Are you saying Samsung will gain marketshare and reverse the current decline?
Because that's what the topic is about not a list of things you will agree on.

That is the topic......then why do you keep bringing Apple into the discussion and Apple profits?

 

[FFR]

Kantar or Apple insider link?

Doesn't change the fact that Apple's worldwide marketshare dropped this year. Eroded by Chinese OEMs, acording to the original articles graph.
What you believe and what is real are two entirely different things.

Samsung numbers are yet to be released, who knows what gains or losses they've made, the next week or so will paint a better picture, in the meantime, put your hardon back in your pants and control yourself. You don't have to wait long....

Actually what you said is factually incorrect.
Especially if you look at any of the markets that reside in your "global number"

Let's take china:

Doesn't match what your saying, so where is Samsung beating apple by marketshare specifically?

I know it not in the US, UK, Europe, China, Japan, or Australia.

No shame in being wrong.

 

[FFR]

The facts are the facts.........they report sales. Not sales that will make Apple look better in your eyes.

Whether you think it is fair or not to count certain countries sales figures make no difference to sales reporting

I don't see Samsung reversing the sales trend. The Android mobile space is getting very crowded with more companies selling great products.
They could reverse the trend with something like a foldable screen tablet or phablet but that remains to be seen and a big if.....

Fairness in the sake that apple does compete in the budget price point, not in marketshare.

You want focus on the smartphone market on a macro level fine. But it does not hold true on a micro level. If you look at marketshare by region, Samsung's marketshare is opposite to what you and some here are touting, i.e. They are not number 1.

I personally don't believe foldable displays will make much of a difference until they add utility to it. Sort of like apple implementation of 3D Touch vs Samsung's implementation of the edgeless displays. But that's neither here nor their.

 

[jamezr]

Fairness in the sake that apple does compete in the budget price point, not in marketshare.

You want focus on the smartphone market on a macro level fine. But it does not hold true on a micro level. If you look at marketshare by region, Samsung's marketshare is opposite to what you and some here are touting, i.e. They are not number 1.

I personally don't believe foldable displays will make much of a difference until they add utility to it. Sort of like apple implementation of 3D Touch vs Samsung's implementation of the edgeless displays. But that's neither here nor their.

Sorry....you can't just pick and choose to exclude countries in sales reporting.
Samsung still sells more phones than Apple does globally.

IMHO a foldable phablet with the same functionality as the current devices is going to be a game changer.

 

[FFR]

Sorry....you can't just pick and choose to exclude countries in sales reporting.
Samsung still sells more phones than Apple does globally.

IMHO a foldable phablet with the same functionality as the current devices is going to be a game changer.

Actually you can that's, why they breakdown data by markets. So companies can use that data to price products accordingly based on region.

In regards to foldable displays, only if the market adopts the technology.

It will be a game changer, in the way companies design phones, that much is a given.

 

[Klyster]

Actually what you said is factually incorrect.
Especially if you look at any of the markets that reside in your "global number"

Let's take china:

Doesn't match what your saying, so where is Samsung beating apple by marketshare specifically?

I know it not in the US, UK, Europe, China, Japan, or Australia.

No shame in being wrong.

Well, for a start, I never said Samsung were beating Apple by marketshare specifically.

What I've said from the beginning is Apple and Samsung are both losing GLOBAL marketshare to Chinese OEMs.

The original article posted in the first link (Cnet) has the graph that shows Q2 Apple and Samsung had more GLOBAL market share than Q3, hence, a loss of market share. My point.

You've gone off on a different tangents citing analyst expectations and posting Appleinsider (lol) links and basically doing a textual version of premature ejaculation all over this thread.

You may be right about some of it, but not the marketshare loss.

Going by the original post and the IDC graph it contains, I don't see how I'm factually incorrect.

 

[FFR]

Well, for a start, I never said Samsung were beating Apple by marketshare specifically.

What I've said from the beginning is Apple and Samsung are both losing GLOBAL marketshare to Chinese OEMs.

The original article posted in the first link (Cnet) has the graph that shows Q2 Apple and Samsung had more GLOBAL market share than Q3, hence, a loss of market share. My point.

You've gone off on a different tangents citing analyst expectations and posting Appleinsider (lol) links and basically doing a textual version of premature ejaculation all over this thread.

You may be right about some of it, but not the marketshare loss.

Going by the original post and the IDC graph it contains, I don't see how I'm factually incorrect.

If you were right you would show me where apple
Lost marketshare for 1. Globally means nothing to me with your excuse about Chinese oems eroding apples marketshare, if you cannot show where in the world apple is losing marketshare.

what you label as premature ejaculation, are charts directly refuting what you and a lot of others have regurgitated repeatedly without any understanding.

You can't show me where in the world apple actually lost market share, can you? You should probably wait for idc, to spoon feed it to you next month.

Btw those idc numbers are from July, if I'm not mistaken, the numbers I'm providing are up until the end of August. I.e. They are current.

Oh, marketshare and share are not interchangeable, some on this thread don't know the distinction.

EDIT: I was mistaken. Idc numbers are from June, 4 months ago.

 

[Klyster]

If you were right you would show me where apple
Lost marketshare for 1. Globally means nothing to me with your excuse about Chinese oems eroding apples marketshare, if you cannot show where in the world apple is losing marketshare.

what you label as premature ejaculation, are charts directly refuting what you and a lot of others have regurgitated repeatedly without any understanding.

You can't show me where in the world apple actually lost market share, can you? You should probably wait for idc, to spoon feed it to you next month.

Btw those idc numbers are from July, if I'm not mistaken, the numbers I'm providing are up until the end of August. I.e. They are current.

Oh, marketshare and share are not interchangeable, some on this thread don't know the distinction.

I think I'll wait to be spoonfed next month. Be sure to wipe up when you're finished eh?

 

[FFR]

I think I'll wait to be spoonfed next month. Be sure to wipe up when you're finished eh?

Don't forget the bib.

 

[jamezr]

Actually you can that's, why they breakdown data by markets. So companies can use that data to price products accordingly based on region..

Sorry buddy but there you are being wrong again. The thread topic and original post and link in that post all point to GLOBAL sales. The graphic in the article has global sales not individual markets. But then you know what happens to those individual markets? They all add up to global sales!
This the most current data for Q3.

Even with the slippage, Samsung is clinging to the top spot among smartphone makers. For the quarter ended September 30, it remained No. 1 in the global smartphone market with a 24.6 percent share,

http://www.cnet.com/news/samsungs-smartphone-shipments-to-see-first-ever-annual-decline/

 

[Klyster]

Q3 in June...... lol

 

[maflynn]

[MOD NOTE]
Looks like we're just bickering back and forth at this stage. Closing this thread.