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It might do that, I know I don't want one. But foldable phones haven't failed, they sell quite well. Not market leaders yet, but they sell. (to me for one)

Apple would be ecstatic if they sold a tenth as many vision pros...

You forget that the vision pro will be sold in addition to smartphones. Not in place of them.
 
You don’t even notice it when using it. Not long ago many here forgave the huge bezels of iPad n iPad Pro both their first 2 generations despite the BlackBerry Playbook having: slimmer bezels smaller size, better camera with flash led and flash support n better connected to its smartphone. But look who won out?!??

Yeah so.
I did. It’s not for me. If some one doesn’t, good for them.
 
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I got myself a fold 3 & 4 and I love it, it’s my ‘iPhone 13 mini’ & ‘iPad mini 6’ in 1!
 
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Samsung today announced the launch of an updated "Try Galaxy" website that's designed to allow iPhone users to experience what it's like having a foldable smartphone.

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Try Galaxy uses two iPhones to "showcase the benefits" of the Galaxy Z Fold5's large display. For those unfamiliar with the device, the latest Samsung Galaxy Fold has a 6.2-inch Cover Screen that opens out like a book into a 7.6-inch display.

Samsung has long had a web app that demonstrates the customized Android UI that it has developed complete with Samsung apps, but the Galaxy Fold option is new. To use it, two iPhones are required, both with the Try Galaxy app added to the Home Screen. The app can be installed through the Try Galaxy website, which has a scannable QR code.

The web app needs to be launched on both iPhones, and one generates a code while the other accepts the code in order to initiate a sync between the two devices. From there, a "single" screen is split between two iPhones to simulate the Galaxy Fold's larger display.

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There are a limited number of experiences that customers can choose, and there's only a surface level look at the Galaxy Fold options. Users can play an Air Hockey game, go through a walkthrough on multitasking, or see a video split across two screens. Almost everything available in the multi-screen view is a video walkthrough that is controlled by Samsung, so it's more of a gimmick than anything else.

Samsung often uses anti-Apple marketing, and likes to point out that Apple has no foldable iPhone. A recent "On the Fence" campaign, for example, saw Samsung featuring iPhone users jealous of the foldable technology. Samsung has also done a first-to-foldables campaign mocking the iPhone's lack of innovation, and encouraged iPhone customers to "Join the Flip side."

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Earlier this summer, Samsung launched its fifth-generation line of foldable devices. Rumors have suggested that Apple is experimenting with foldable smartphone technology, but there is no word yet on if or when the Cupertino company will come out with a foldable iPhone.

Article Link: Samsung's 'Try Galaxy' Feature Uses Two iPhones to Demo Z Fold5 Experience

Thanks Samsung. Maybe in a couple of years, when Apple releases one.

But maybe, by then, the Vision Pro has shrunk to „fat glasses“ size and I‘ll use that.
 
The ironic part is that Samsung Zfold 5 costs as much as 2 iPhone 14s which they are invisibly saying by doing so
 
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You don’t even notice it when using it. Not long ago many here forgave the huge bezels of iPad n iPad Pro both their first 2 generations despite the BlackBerry Playbook having: slimmer bezels smaller size, better camera with flash led and flash support n better connected to its smartphone. But look who won out?!??

Yeah so.
Although I agree with the point you are making that good software/utility can often trump better hardware, the Playbook is not a great example of this at all, especially at the same price as an iPad at launch. Its bezels were pretty much the same as iPad 1-4 despite the much smaller display. It had very very poor app support with limited access to Android apps, making it a lot less appealing outside of core apps and web browsing. It did have better cameras but it didn't actually have a flash. Blackberry Bridge didn't do much that iOS 5 (which came out the same year with iCloud support) didn't also cover. It was a pretty good deal as a budget tablet once RIM cut the price from $499 to $299 after a year but overall there wasn't anything outstanding about it.

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What two apps would you want to run simultaneously?

Not the person you asked but my most commonly used combo are Safari on one side and Messages/Mail/Slack/Maps/Notes etc on the other, with Music/Podcasts/Youtube in Slide over. Flipping back and forth on the iPhone isn't terrible but it's much less versatile than multitasking on the iPad.
 
Multitasking on portable multitouch devices without keyboard/mouse is pointless IMO. Downsides of the amount of resizing/window management outweigh any benefits over just running the app in full screen and switching manually.

I accidentally touch the iPad's multitasking function at the top more than I ever use it.

Nothing complicated about using touch to drag an app from the dock next to the current app and using the middle handle to resize imo. It's faster and easier than on desktop. The multitasking dots are useless though. I wish Apple let us hide those.
 
I would quite like it if they used these foldable screens to go back to the old flip-phone size, and have it fold out to a normal iphone size. that double size phone they're doing is getting too big to fit in your pocket
 
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When Apple does this it will be done in a completely different way and the competitors will say, oh, we didn't think of that.
Something like two OLED screens butt up against each other with just a small hairline between them. :rolleyes:
Think Trinitron mask wire.
 
I'd love to know the actual sales statistics of these things. It can't be much and I have yet to see one in the wild.
 
There are a few more considerations that come to mind.

1) The iPhone, even with its current thickness, still has a huge camera bump to support the cameras that are increasingly being an integral part of Apple's marketing. A folding iPhone would cut its effective thickness in half, which also affects the quality of the camera that can be included. Either you dramatically reduce the quality of the camera included, or you include an obscene bump.
Another option could be to put the internals that need extra depth on one half and have the other be ultra thin and only house the display. The Huawei Mate X and X2 for example are some interesting solutions to this exact problem although I'm sure they have their flaws.
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2) Currently, my iPhone 13 Pro Max feels solid and it should have no problems lasting 6-7 years. Apple has come a long way towards making their iPhones more durable (likely in response to a lengthening upgrade cycle). The galaxy fold looks like it might struggle to last past 3 years, what more maintain a pristine condition (eg: the crease in the middle of the display). This also matters because the longevity of the iPhone goes a long way towards retaining its resale value when users want to upgrade. A Samsung folding phone probably won't retain much of its resale value past the 2nd year, what more if the crease in the middle of the display is extremely prominent.

3) When I was attending a leadership course earlier in the year, I had a couple of course mates who were using Samsung folding phones. I do agree that the display is amazing for viewing photos and pdf documents. The downside is that the crease was extremely prominent (to me at least), and the phone had a hard time making it past 4 pm when you use it extensively in tablet mode (which makes the case for a dedicated iPad mini for storing and reviewing lecture notes).

Also, one of their phones would die a month later after returning from our overseas exchange programme.

Maybe one day, all these shortcomings can be engineered away, but right now, I feel they entail drawbacks Apple simply does not seem acceptable to their user base.

These are still pretty big problems, but nowhere as bad as it was even a couple of generations ago. Foldables are now getting various levels of dust and water resistance and OEMs (other than Samsung) have figured out ways of lessening the crease a lot more. I'm sure someone would eventually find solutions to the durability and crease issues with how things are going but I agree that as it is right now the hardware is still too flawed Apple to adopt.
 
When Apple does this it will be done in a completely different way and the competitors will say, oh, we didn't think of that.
Something like two OLED screens butt up against each other with just a small hairline between them. :rolleyes:
Think Trinitron mask wire.
Maybe something like the ASUS Bezel free kit that refract light and make the bezels between two monitors disappear. If they can somehow make it work on the Surface Duo form factor it would basically leapfrog over the issues with existing folding displays.
 
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I mean… four or so years into foldable phones and I’m not sure why people are still “seriously” asking what benefit they provide.

Four years into PCs (ca. 1980), many people still weren't sure if they were going to be a useful product.

Four years into PDAs (ca. 1997), they were still kind of a niche tech demo.

Four years into VR glasses (ca. 1999), they were still pretty terrible.

Sometimes, tech takes much longer than four years to actually become good. The jury's out on whether that will ever happen for foldable phones.
 
I would quite like it if they used these foldable screens to go back to the old flip-phone size, and have it fold out to a normal iphone size. that double size phone they're doing is getting too big to fit in your pocket
I would very much like that as well. I have a flip4, and soon a flip5, but I would love a foldable that folded out to the same size as an iPhone Mini. (or even an iPhone 14 Pro would be better.) That's the one thing I really don't like about the flips, they're actually too big unfolded.
 
I don't see how that makes any difference in what I said, but whatever.
Well, Apple has hinted that they do expect the vision pro to be extremely supply-constrained in the first couple of years, so it will be hard to gauge actual demand for the product when demand outstrips supply. So the vision pro may well sell in lower quantities than the Galaxy Fold, not because nobody wants it, but because Apple simply can't make that many in the first place.
 
Well, Apple has hinted that they do expect the vision pro to be extremely supply-constrained in the first couple of years, so it will be hard to gauge actual demand for the product when demand outstrips supply. So the vision pro may well sell in lower quantities than the Galaxy Fold, not because nobody wants it, but because Apple simply can't make that many in the first place.
Like I said, they'd be ecstatic to sell a couple million units (in a few years) <g>

They really can't be compared though, totally different markets and usage. A foldable phone is just a smart phone in another form factor.
 
Rather than requiring two iPhones for a demo, it might have been better to run it as an AR app on an iPad. You use gestures to flip it open and fiddle with the screens. Dunno, can’t think there are that many people with a second iPhone.
 
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