Chance to follow his mentor. He may take some time, re-emerge with a new idea. Wouldn't it be ironic if ten years from now some technology he creates is bought by Apple, he returns, compared to Steve's second coming, and ends up CEO.
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Scott Forstall Reportedly Forced Out of Apple
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Chance to follow his mentor. He may take some time, re-emerge with a new idea. Wouldn't it be ironic if ten years from now some technology he creates is bought by Apple, he returns, compared to Steve's second coming, and ends up CEO.
No ... I will NOT grant credit to OSX to Forstall ... I'd rather give that Bertrand Serlet who was a pure prrogrammers' engineer. Aqua was not loved by many and I've used it for a full year after Puma. Bertrand gave us serious innovative improvements in Leopard and Snow Leopard.
I don't think his style would be very compatible at Google. Word on the street is that Scott likes control and is not easy to get along with.
Really?
An awful lot of people like to bash on the skeumorphic concept, but I completely understand why Jobs would have been a proponent of it.
At the end of the day, everything you see on the computer is a virtual representation of something physical anyway. Even things as basic as window borders give the user the impression of some physical, real-world object that occupies space up to those boundaries and can "cover up" other virtual objects when drug over the top of them.
What's really so bad about designing applications to simulate real-world counterparts more closely? There are some desktop UIs for the Linux OS out there that do their best to completely avoid anything skeuomorphic (mainly for performance reasons, as they're intended for use over potentially slow network connections to remotely draw the X windowing system on a terminal). IMO, those always look really dated, visually unappealing and lack a feeling that the UI will be fun to use.
If anything, I think people just dislike some of the textures chosen (such as wood grain or stitched leather), because likely, they don't care for those materials much in real life either. (They're seen as potentially a little "stodgy". Do you want your appointment calendar to look like the one grandpa used to use?) But overall, I don't take issue with the concept.
An awful lot of people like to bash on the skeumorphic concept, but I completely understand why Jobs would have been a proponent of it.
At the end of the day, everything you see on the computer is a virtual representation of something physical anyway. Even things as basic as window borders give the user the impression of some physical, real-world object that occupies space up to those boundaries and can "cover up" other virtual objects when drug over the top of them.
What's really so bad about designing applications to simulate real-world counterparts more closely? There are some desktop UIs for the Linux OS out there that do their best to completely avoid anything skeuomorphic (mainly for performance reasons, as they're intended for use over potentially slow network connections to remotely draw the X windowing system on a terminal). IMO, those always look really dated, visually unappealing and lack a feeling that the UI will be fun to use.
If anything, I think people just dislike some of the textures chosen (such as wood grain or stitched leather), because likely, they don't care for those materials much in real life either. (They're seen as potentially a little "stodgy". Do you want your appointment calendar to look like the one grandpa used to use?) But overall, I don't take issue with the concept.
I'm sorry this individual is losing his job, however if his departure marks the end of skeuomorphism in Apple software then I've found my own silver lining. The skeuomorphic apps are embarrassing, in my opinion. The sooner they are modernized the better.
They never existed. They're an invention of people who have no better ideas than to throw around terms like 'fanboi'.
Steve Jobs would have fired him sooner
Steve protected him and kept the team together working for the greater good. Without Steve, the glue is gone.
Great point, and I also like skeuomorphisms. I think those details make things more charming, at least in most cases. Game Center's design isn't my cup of tea, but I fail to see how people get upset to the point where they celebrate this guy leaving the company. I'm not familiar with either Ive or Forstall, but calling the skeuomorphisms "distasteful" rubs me the wrong way. The current design of OSX to me is awesome throughout, I don't know what people expect to be changed, but I guess we all have out own taste.
As long as we have a "desktop" and "Windows" and other analogues with real life, we will always have skeuomorphism. There are areas where it makes lots of sense.
It doesn't matter what you or I think, or any other customer for that matter. If you're going to carry a larger than life attitude and you're not God, then you're going to get canned. And Forstall was certainly no God. Far from it.
And I would go as far as pin this one on Jobs. He was Forstall's mentor and he tolerated Forstall's garbage for years, even probably enabled it. He should have adjusted this guys attitude years ago.
Also remember the fact that most people who were forced out have never ever returned.
By looking at iOS 6, I can't see the genius in him that will make him Steve 2 in the future. So the return of Forstall seems to be a good wish at most...
I realize it's not true for many people, but I've yet to have issues with Apple's maps . . . and in fact, I've really liked having a smooth turn-by-turn that finally works better than my old tom-tom or any of the freebies I've tried before.
It's pretty pointless as outsiders to comment on the inner working dynamics of Apple, so I won't add to the fray.
Hmmm. Stocks drop largely because of criticism arguably due to forstall directions, and his departure accelerates that?
The markets ate closed again tomorrow... Good timing for a big shakeup. Cooler heads will prevail by the time the markets reopen on Wednesday
If Ive takes over the interface then I'd imagine the os will be a lot more consistent. Some apps were updated with white borders this year (phone, maps, music) and some weren't (calender, safari) I think ive will sort this out and make the taskbar more consistent too. If big leaps are made in ios 7 then we'll know if it's a good or bad decision
They must be in the same hurricane shelter as the people who say nothing's wrong with Apple Maps and who will be all vocal about how a Retina Display on the iPad Mini "just makes sense" when it comes out with one a year from now.
Apple's making very bold statements lately that some people on this board should pay attention to. Everything they make is not perfect; they make mistakes like any other company, but they're going to try their best to be humble and fix them.
What happens to all of the restricted stock units that Apple awarded him? He isn't leaving the company... he is being forced out. Can he cash out?
We keep hearing that with every senior member leaving to be replaced later. Last I checked, Apple still makes billions per year and sells millions of devices...
I think they become unrestricted in 2013 - when he actually is officially gone.
Well don't expect too much as IVE had the same ipad design from iPad 2 thru iPad 4 and basically iPhone 4, 4s and 5 (slight tweaks). I'm not sure he's the Holy Grail of designers myself. He likes to come off that way (appears douchy to me).
It's pretty pointless as outsiders to comment on the inner working dynamics of Apple, so I won't add to the fray.
True. Forstall likely got fired for spilling his coffee on Tim's lap last Friday. It wasn't anything to do with the stagnation of iOS or the abortion otherwise known as Apple Maps or anything.
Yeah, they should've made the iPad's thin rectangle shape a different thin rectangle shape or perhaps shifted the power button to the other side or even put wings on it.